The Last Jedi Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker (VIII)

[Venomfan]

Anyone else think that Lucasfilm should consider a few Luke movies set during the years just before Ben Solo's betrayal?

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That would be more exciting to me than any other star wars movie

 

[TheVileOne]

I'd love a New Jedi Order movie, but something tells me that could likely be the premise for a new animated series moreso than a live-action movie.

 

[Marvolo]

So I completely missed this:

In ESB Yoda tells Luke, “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” And in TLJ Luke never uses the Force to attack. On Ahch-to when Rey is fighting him in the rain Luke is continually parrying her moves and backing away. He never attacks. And in his confrontation with Kylo he never attacks. He only dodges and parries Kylo's blade and uses the situation to give the Rebels time to escape thereby defending them.

 

[titansupes]

A bunch of high-quality GIF's and screenshots of Projection Luke have popped up on Twitter today. Search for Star Wars Stuff and Star Wars Legacy etc.

 

[danoyse]

A bunch of high-quality GIF's and screenshots of Projection Luke have popped up on Twitter today. Search for Star Wars Stuff and Star Wars Legacy etc.

The SW show did a 27-minute segment yesterday about cameos and Easter eggs in TLJ, and included a ton of clips. That’s where all of the new gifs and screenshots are coming from.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

New avatar incoming.

 

[BatLobster]

Those came from the latest Star Wars show. Cool episode.

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I also recommend the latest MovieBob video on Luke. Can't post here due to language.

 

[Mjölnir]

So I completely missed this:

In ESB Yoda tells Luke, “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” And in TLJ Luke never uses the Force to attack. On Ahch-to when Rey is fighting him in the rain Luke is continually parrying her moves and backing away. He never attacks. And in his confrontation with Kylo he never attacks. He only dodges and parries Kylo's blade and uses the situation to give the Rebels time to escape thereby defending them.

Not sure how literal that was meant as Luke was Yoda's and Obi-Wan's last plan for taking out Sidious and Vader. They didn't even mean for him to learn that Vader was his father.

I think his point is more about that a Jedi doesn't willingly seek battle, he fights when it's necessary to do so, and we've seen many examples of when it was deemed necessary by Yoda himself.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I also recommend the latest MovieBob video on Luke. Can't post here due to language.

Seconded. Looking forward to his part 2 on Monday.

 

[danoyse]

Not sure how literal that was meant as Luke was Yoda's and Obi-Wan's last plan for taking out Sidious and Vader. They didn't even mean for him to learn that Vader was his father.

I think his point is more about that a Jedi doesn't willingly seek battle, he fights when it's necessary to do so, and we've seen many examples of when it was deemed necessary by Yoda himself.

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack.”

Luke did exactly what Yoda taught him. He told him to confront his father, he never told him to outright kill him. Ben told him the Emperor would win if he didn’t, but Luke was the one who proved Ben was wrong. They wanted him to destroy Darth Vader - and he did, by using the Force to find the good in him. When he went on the attack in ROTJ, he stopped when he realized what he was doing, stopped, and threw away his lightsaber.

He did exactly what he was taught. In ROTJ and in TLJ. There was no asterisk. And even if Luke could find a solution that even Ben and Yoda couldn’t see, it proves Yoda’s point in TLJ, “They are what we grow beyond.”

TLJ was Luke’s time to see that.

 

[Gothamsknight]

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Just in case anyone needs to add to their gif collection:

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[Mjölnir]

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack.”

Luke did exactly what Yoda taught him. He told him to confront his father, he never told him to outright kill him. Ben told him the Emperor would win if he didn’t, but Luke was the one who proved Ben was wrong. They wanted him to destroy Darth Vader - and he did, by using the Force to find the good in him. When he went on the attack in ROTJ, he stopped when he realized what he was doing, stopped, and threw away his lightsaber.

He did exactly what he was taught. In ROTJ and in TLJ. There was no asterisk. And even if Luke could find a solution that even Ben and Yoda couldn’t see, it proves Yoda’s point in TLJ, “They are what we grow beyond.”

TLJ was Luke’s time to see that.

It's pretty obvious what the confrontation was about. The only way Luke would ever try to not kill Vader was if he knew that he was his father, and Yoda clearly didn't think it was good that Luke found out. It's just not Jedi-like talk to state it like "go and kill Vader".

Then there's of course the issue of Yoda actively seeking out Sidious to fight him, and sending Obi-Wan to do the same with Anakin. The Jedi have attacked many times under Yoda, so that literal interpretation of what Yoda said is just not supported.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't care what happened in Episode III, I agree with danoyse. The Jedi way is to avoid conflict. Attacking someone is aggression, aggression is the path to the dark side. The PT trilogy is full of inconsistency such as you mentioned, partly why I think Lucas misses the point of his own universe. The OT was made before the PT, therefore I take Yoda's interpretation to be literal. Jedi do not seek conflict, but they will defend themselves if they have to. What Luke did was more in line with the Jedi code, IMO.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's pretty obvious what the confrontation was about. The only way Luke would ever try to not kill Vader was if he knew that he was his father, and Yoda clearly didn't think it was good that Luke found out. It's just not Jedi-like talk to state it like "go and kill Vader".

Then there's of course the issue of Yoda actively seeking out Sidious to fight him, and sending Obi-Wan to do the same with Anakin. The Jedi have attacked many times under Yoda, so that literal interpretation of what Yoda said is just not supported.

Yoda doesn't tell Luke for fear Luke would turn to join his father. He though Vader might be too cowardly to say it imo. Well that or maybe too far gone.

The Jedi do "attack", but to the extent to protect others. That doesn't mean some don't make a mistake. Obi-Wan clearly wants Luke to kill Vader. He seems his as too far gone, and the Jedi have a blind spot when it comes to the Sith. Why Luke owns a trophy from a Jedi who killed a Sith.

 

[Gothamsknight]

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[Brother Jack]

There's a line that was cut from ROTJ that I wished had been in the film where Yoda says that Ben would've told Luke Vader was his father had Yoda let him. Comparing prequels Yoda to what he is in the OT is problematic because his character was so poorly drawn in those films (an example of what actual character assassination looks like). But the arc that's been retrofitted onto it in an attempt to make it work is that Yoda changes his stance to pacifism in the OT after seeing how he and the Jedi's war fighting ended in ruin.

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't care what happened in Episode III, I agree with danoyse. The Jedi way is to avoid conflict. Attacking someone is aggression, aggression is the path to the dark side. The PT trilogy is full of inconsistency such as you mentioned, partly why I think Lucas misses the point of his own universe. The OT was made before the PT, therefore I take Yoda's interpretation to be literal. Jedi do not seek conflict, but they will defend themselves if they have to. What Luke did was more in line with the Jedi code, IMO.

The new movies are inconsistent with the OT as well so that's just the Star Wars we have, unfortunately.

I still think it's just stretching to get into semantics. There's no reasonable thought that leads to thinking that Yoda expected Luke to go and have a good chat with Sidious and Vader, and they'd just see the error of their ways and start being good. Star Wars was a classic fairy tale and those involve the purely good and righteous smiting evil, without that being a bad act. I still think the point of Yoda is that you shouldn't be aggressive at heart, seeking battle because you want it. It's about fighting because you have to.

Luke in TLJ did not act like a Jedi. A Jedi doesn't turn his back on everyone and let them deal with evil on their own, especially not when he's responsible for why part of the evil is there. A Jedi would have stayed and tried to protect others from the threat.

If Luke had acted like himself, or just like a Jedi, he would have confronted Kylo and Snoke. Only after possibly failing would he have gone away, but while defeated he would look for a new hope.

 

[Brother Jack]

Luke didn't give up just to give up. From his perspective what he was doing was altruism. He believed, because of historical precedent and his own failure, that the Jedi were bad for the galaxy. He thought if he got involved he would make things worse, so he removed himself from the equation. He may have been wrong for thinking this, but it was born out of a desire to protect his friends.

 

[TheVileOne]

Luke was traumatized by his own weakness and failure. I don't see why it's so hard to understand and why it requires so much debate. Leia is his sister, and he couldn't even bring himself to face her after what he had done. She trusted him with her son.

To me it's not about protection or whatever. He failed, and it was a crushing failure. It was a failure so crushing that he gave up. He didn't know how to get passed it and learn from it as Yoda pointed out after the fact.

 

[Mjölnir]

Luke is a complete idiot if he thought going away, leaving Snoke and Kylo to operate unopposed, was going to help anything. The movies showed us that the obvious stupidity was indeed stupid.

It's also very much not Luke Skywalker as presented in the OT.

As for the failure, he had not been able to guile Ben properly, but he didn't fail him until he never once tried to help him after realizing that he's gone far towards the dark side. It's still Luke going away that is the huge failure.

 

[danoyse]

The Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy was 30 years younger and had never had to carry these loss and failure like he was now. The Luke in the OT blew up the Death Star. His plan to rescue everyone from Jabba’s palace (eventually) worked. He lost his first duel with Darth Vader, but survived and returned to save him, and doing so brought down the Empire.

”And became a legend.”

He’s not the Luke Skywalker of the OT anymore. It shouldn’t be. He failed his students, he failed the family that trusted him. The galaxy trusted him to bring the Jedi back and instead he lost it all. How could he be the same Luke Skywalker after everything that happened?

The lesson was that closing off and hiding wasn’t the answer. That’s what Yoda reminded him. That’s what Rey showed him. Hell, even R2 tried to show him. Even Leia, when they connected briefly through the Force, was trying to tell him.

It want about always being the same, it was about learning what to be after you fail. Sometimes even the teachers need the students to guide them.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy was 30 years younger and had never had to carry these loss and failure like he was now. The Luke in the OT blew up the Death Star. His plan to rescue everyone from Jabba’s palace (eventually) worked. He lost his first duel with Darth Vader, but survived and returned to save him, and doing so brought down the Empire.

”And became a legend.”

He’s not the Luke Skywalker of the OT anymore. It shouldn’t be. He failed his students, he failed the family that trusted him. The galaxy trusted him to bring the Jedi back and instead he lost it all. How could he be the same Luke Skywalker after everything that happened?

The lesson was that closing off and hiding wasn’t the answer. That’s what Yoda reminded him. That’s what Rey showed him. Hell, even R2 tried to show him. Even Leia, when they connected briefly through the Force, was trying to tell him.

It want about always being the same, it was about learning what to be after you fail. Sometimes even the teachers need the students to guide them.

I want to give you a gold medal after reading that danoyse.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Luke in TLJ did not act like a Jedi. A Jedi doesn't turn his back on everyone and let them deal with evil on their own, especially not when he's responsible for why part of the evil is there. A Jedi would have stayed and tried to protect others from the threat.

You know who did exactly that? Yoda.

 

[BatLobster]

The Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy was 30 years younger and had never had to carry these loss and failure like he was now. The Luke in the OT blew up the Death Star. His plan to rescue everyone from Jabba’s palace (eventually) worked. He lost his first duel with Darth Vader, but survived and returned to save him, and doing so brought down the Empire.

”And became a legend.”

He’s not the Luke Skywalker of the OT anymore. It shouldn’t be. He failed his students, he failed the family that trusted him. The galaxy trusted him to bring the Jedi back and instead he lost it all. How could he be the same Luke Skywalker after everything that happened?

The lesson was that closing off and hiding wasn’t the answer. That’s what Yoda reminded him. That’s what Rey showed him. Hell, even R2 tried to show him. Even Leia, when they connected briefly through the Force, was trying to tell him.

It want about always being the same, it was about learning what to be after you fail. Sometimes even the teachers need the students to guide them.

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