Marvel December 2009 Solicitations

[Noona]

you didn't read "silent war" didnt u ....****tt u was awesome
they broke up .. he wanted Luna she refused

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I didn't read anything that tied into House of M if I could help it.

 

[Specter313]

I don't know everything has been really pointing towards Jean.Hell that Cable cover looks like it has Jean on the cover.Anyone who hasn't been keeping up with X-men ask them who's on the cover they'll say "Cable and Jean".Pretty funny though that Cable has been raising his mother and not noticing.

And that's exactly why it makes no sense for Hope to be Jean. It's too big of a plothole to ignore. Plus, Jean already has her body from Endsong, she wouldn't need another. It's pointless to have her going through some kind or rebirth anyway if she just ends up right about the same age as she died in anyway.

 

[Specter313]

Hope is still a young child over in Cable. Maybe he will eventually connect the dots.

She's in her mid to late teens now, he would be able to tell if she looked like Jean or not.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And that's exactly why it makes no sense for Hope to be Jean. It's too big of a plothole to ignore. Plus, Jean already has her body from Endsong, she wouldn't need another. It's pointless to have her going through some kind or rebirth anyway if she just ends up right about the same age as she died in anyway.

Pointless rebirths are sort of Jean's stock and trade, aren't they? She calls herself "Phoenix," after all.

 

[kguillou]

If Hope really does turn out to be Jean then the X-men franchise will be officially dead cause its obvious Marvel hasnt got a damn clue what to do with the franchise anymore. Is it such a bad thing to keep her dead? Is anyone begging for Jean back?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jean fans, I believe.

 

[kguillou]

I think its more along the lines of marvel trying to find an excuse to do more Phoenix storyline cause they apparently cant come up with anything else.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If Jean does come back, it'd be awesome if we could get another X-Factor-style revamp of the original 5. Scott and Warren could cast off their *****eyness, Bobby and Hank could rediscover their senses of humor, Jean could cast off the Phoenix entity and just be a significantly-powerful-but-not-absurd psychic, and they could go on adventures together again, setting an example for the rest of mutantdom.

 

[kguillou]

I would LOVE that man. Just the original five. But lets be honest here Corp, you think marvel's got the stones to make a X-men book without Wolverine or at least a wolverine knock off, cause y'know, all the people who saw X-men Origins will be confused when Wolverine's not in their x-men book. lol

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I know this would never happen. I was just dreaming out loud for a spell.

Marvel might potentially release an X-book without Wolverine. He could still guest-star now and then if sales get low. But they'll never drop the angst. Cyclops will continue to be a complete a**hole from now on because it's proven to be popular in Uncanny X-Men, and Warren will continue to murder people guilt-free as Archangel because it's proven to be popular in X-Force. It's not enough to just have Wolverine anymore; everyone's gotta be grim, angsty *****ebags now. It's the '90s all over again in the X-Men's little corner of the universe.

Anyway, I've got my Beast in SWORD with Agent Brand and cosmic stuff and Kieron Gillen writing. F*** the rest of 'em, that'll be enough for me.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Don't forget Power Pack in the pages of the FF.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Full solicits are up:http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090922-marvel-dec-09-solicitations.html

 

[Dreadstar]

Deathlok! WOOHOO And its thew correct Deathlok, Luthor Manning, not that pacifist from teh 90s!

Black Widow & the Marvel Girls! w00t

FALL OF THE HULKS ALPHA
FALL OF THE HULKS GAMMA
HULK: WINTER GUARD

WOOHOO I LOVE MARVEL!

 

[Dread]

Welcome, Dreadstar!

No relation. t:

If Jean does come back, it'd be awesome if we could get another X-Factor-style revamp of the original 5. Scott and Warren could cast off their *****eyness, Bobby and Hank could rediscover their senses of humor, Jean could cast off the Phoenix entity and just be a significantly-powerful-but-not-absurd psychic, and they could go on adventures together again, setting an example for the rest of mutantdom.

That'd never happen. The simple problem is that it isn't a simple matter of "Warren casting off his *****eyness"; he's been the plaything of Apocalypse! He's had his wings torn off and been made into an engine of death at least twice. You can't just go back to being a smiling moron about that without being insane. No one on the X-Men has had anything to have a sense of humor about because they're always being killed or maimed or watching people die or whatnot. The only way there is humor in that is a 4th wall kind of thing and that's Howard the Duck, not X-Men. Furthermore, if Cyclops ditched Frost to reform X-Factor with Jean, that'd be the same thing he did to Maddie Pryor, and we all know how THAT ended. I hope, uh, Hope isn't Jean but if she is, maybe the editorial board can find something to do with her than taking the easy way out and shoving her into Scott again. That's all she's ever done since 1964. Even MJ dated someone else once or twice.

The thing is that the X-Men editorial board would have to stop using the X-Men as the prime example of bleak emo grim-tastic stuff in comics and line wide tuck it back a little for such an idea to work in character. Anyone see that happening? Survey says...Joe Q would admit he made a mistake sooner.

Full solicits are up:http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090922-marvel-dec-09-solicitations.html

Thanks for that. More thoughts:

- I love how Marvel has discovered a middle ground of cover prices between $2.99 and $3.99, but only for ICON books like POWERS ($3.95) and CRIMINAL ($3.50). Very telling. It's worth knocking off 4 cents of mercy on Bendis' ego project, but for a normal Marvel event thing, the fans can choke on it, eh?

- INVINCIBLE IRON MAN looks good. Apparently the "brain drain" was kind of like a moral stomach pump and Fraction wants to get Stark back to full brain power, only without being a borderline fascist in execution. I suppose Stark going, "I messed up, I'll actually act like a person again" wasn't metaphysical enough for Fraction. At any rate, the book is good and Sal Larroca continues his run on art.

- Marvel feels that Hulk can support 2-3 books, when he hasn't been able to before at any point in history. There's a saying about old dogs and new tricks, but I won't mention it.

- I love how a mini series clearly aimed at kids who watch MARVEL SUPER HERO SQUAD SHOW is still $2.99 when even DC keeps kiddie titles at $2.50.

- STRANGE seems...not sure what to make of the solicits. It seems Waid's mini will be low key, trying that angle with Strange. At $4 an issue, though, the first would really have to wow me, like NOMAD: GIRL WITHOUT A WORLD did.

- THUNDERBOLTS #139-140 will be written by Jeff Parker and feature the AGENTS OF ATLAS. Marvel isn't giving up on them, so I guess I won't either.

 

[Havok83]

If Hope really does turn out to be Jean then the X-men franchise will be officially dead cause its obvious Marvel hasnt got a damn clue what to do with the franchise anymore. Is it such a bad thing to keep her dead? Is anyone begging for Jean back?

YES! Im all for Jean coming back next year but Im not holding my breath yet bc all Marvel has done since she died was tease her return

If Jean does come back, it'd be awesome if we could get another X-Factor-style revamp of the original 5. Scott and Warren could cast off their *****eyness, Bobby and Hank could rediscover their senses of humor, Jean could cast off the Phoenix entity and just be a significantly-powerful-but-not-absurd psychic, and they could go on adventures together again, setting an example for the rest of mutantdom.

Unless Quesda does another One More Day reboot, it'll never happen. The Original Five dynamic died the minute Scott cheated on Jean.. The 5 were more than friends...they were a family. I cant realistically see them on a team togethr upon her return bc there are just way too many issues that need to be dealt with first, number 1 being him and Emma which Marvel seems to be 100% behind. I can see a book featuring Jean, Angel, Iceman and Beast, but cant see Scott being a part of that

Oh and Warren is hardly a *****e. Why do you think that?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

- I love how Marvel has discovered a middle ground of cover prices between $2.99 and $3.99, but only for ICON books like POWERS ($3.95) and CRIMINAL ($3.50). Very telling. It's worth knocking off 4 cents of mercy on Bendis' ego project, but for a normal Marvel event thing, the fans can choke on it, eh?

I'm pretty sure the creators of those books determine the prices of their own books. Not very telling at all.

And Bendis' ego project? The way most posters on these boards are, I thought that was apparently every and any other Bendis comic that ever came out? But that's a good one, Im going to call any creator owned project their "ego project". Yeah, **** self-owned comic creators, haha

 

[Dread]

I'm pretty sure the creators of those books determine the prices of their own books. Not very telling at all.

And Bendis' ego project? The way most posters on these boards are, I thought that was apparently every and any other Bendis comic that ever came out? But that's a good one, Im going to call any creator owned project their "ego project". Yeah, **** self-owned comic creators, haha

If the creators make the price of ICON books, then it's interesting that Bendis' threshold is $3.95 for his devoted audience, while Brubaker dips down to $3.50 and despite a movie coming, Mark Millar, to his credit, keeps KICK-ASS at $2.99. You'd think Bendis might say to editorial, "y'know, on my JINX boards, some of my fans get irritated at having to spend like $12 to follow my hottest boots when about seven months ago it was about $9, couldja give them a break? NEW AVENGERS sales are slipping a little." It might help. I mean if Marvel wouldn't budge on $3.99 books even if Bendis was against it, then they're hardcore, man.

There's a reason a "will Disney deal = $1.99" rumor has spread across the internet like wild-fire. It's because fans are eager for a wallet break and will lap up any hint of one. Personally, I doubt that would happen, although maybe a few less $3.99 books could be possible (such as with THOR soon). Then again, these are the same people who thought FANTASTIC FORCE would sell.

Hey, Robert Kirkman was called all manner of things when he defended doing creator owned books over franchise ones. Even I sometimes considered it hypocritical since he wrote ULTIMATE X-MEN for two years and ran it into the ground. Bendis can take a little wisecrack about POWERS, his oft late indie title, that isn't really indie because it's ICON and the worst ICON seller will still outsell any real indie because Marvel is behind it.

 

[Specter313]

Pointless rebirths are sort of Jean's stock and trade, aren't they? She calls herself "Phoenix," after all.

Yeah, but in her own body, not being born with a brand new one.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would LOVE that man. Just the original five. But lets be honest here Corp, you think marvel's got the stones to make a X-men book without Wolverine or at least a wolverine knock off, cause y'know, all the people who saw X-men Origins will be confused when Wolverine's not in their x-men book. lol

New Mutants
Cable
Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth
Deadpool Team-Up
X-Men: Legacy
X-Factor

If anything Marvel's cash cow with the X-Men is Deadpool. They're having him join X-Force for crying out loud.

 

[Havok83]

New Mutants
Cable
Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth
Deadpool Team-Up
X-Men: Legacy
X-Factor

If anything Marvel's cash cow with the X-Men is Deadpool. They're having him join X-Force for crying out loud.

WHAT! X-force is my favorite book and I really dont want to drop it, but I cringe at the thought of having to read DP monthly

 

[hippie_hunter]

YES! Im all for Jean coming back next year but Im not holding my breath yet bc all Marvel has done since she died was tease her return

Unless Quesda does another One More Day reboot, it'll never happen. The Original Five dynamic died the minute Scott cheated on Jean.. The 5 were more than friends...they were a family. I cant realistically see them on a team togethr upon her return bc there are just way too many issues that need to be dealt with first, number 1 being him and Emma which Marvel seems to be 100% behind. I can see a book featuring Jean, Angel, Iceman and Beast, but cant see Scott being a part of that

Oh and Warren is hardly a *****e. Why do you think that?

I wouldn't say that Marvel is 100% behind the Scott and Emma relationship. Whedon's Cyclops was still attached to Jean despite being firmly with Emma. You also have them keeping massive secrets from each other that Emma does not want to talk about.

Now you have Emma stuck in diamond form in which she is emotionless and is well...less human (she doesn't need to eat, sleep, drink, feel), which would be a huge damper on her relationship with Scott. And to add to that, you have several X-Men such as Wolverine, Rachel Grey, and Havok who look down upon the relationship between Scott and Emma.

 

[Dread]

Being emotionless would be a damper in a relationship with Scott Summers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. He's usually considered the "stiff" one. Aside for Colleen Wing, all of his girlfriends have been psychics.

 

[Havok83]

Being emotionless would be a damper in a relationship with Scott Summers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. He's usually considered the "stiff" one. Aside for Colleen Wing, all of his girlfriends have been psychics.

Lee Forester wasnt

 

[hippie_hunter]

Being emotionless would be a damper in a relationship with Scott Summers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. He's usually considered the "stiff" one. Aside for Colleen Wing, all of his girlfriends have been psychics.

There's a difference between being a total stiff like Scott and not feeling anything at all which is Emma Frost's current state due to the Void.