Marvel Solicitations for May 2010

I left the book after the ULTIMATE CLONE SAGA story and figured after sticking on for so many years, I knew the book enough that I gave it a more than fair shake.

I did flip through some of the post-ULTIMATUM relaunch, and while I liked the artist when he was drawing PATSY WALKER: HELLCAT, I don't care for his art on USM. He makes Spidey's eyes on his mask look so big, he reminds me of Felix the Cat, and he also gives Peter Parker what can only be described as the worst hair cut in the history of comic book fiction, and that includes worse than Daken's bizarre mohawk.

Just as a curiosity, since you do read it, has Spidey actually been capable of defeating any of his own adversaries in arcs now? Because that was one of many things that, over time, wore me out on USM. Peter seemed incapable of ever seeming to improve, or show experience; he always acted like a spastic, helpless feeb who needed to be bailed out of all his adventures (often by a woman, but just in general, such as from a guest star like Blade). I used to consider him less capable than Nancy Drew. Has this aspect changed any since USM became an unofficial team title?

Which it is. It has hangers on from canceled Ultimate titles like ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR and ULTIMATE X-MEN hanging around because they have nowhere else to go.

Considering that Greg Wiesman and Company, albeit with seven years of hindsight, created a far better modern re-imagining of Spider-Man and his universe in SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN than USM ever was, I'm unlikely to return.
Well admittedly, the Clone Saga was probably the worst story arc in USM's history. BUt if you really didn't like any of the 96 issues of USM before that (which I gotta wonder why you read so much of it), then clearly you're not gonna like the relaunch.

A lot of people don't like the art, but I don't mind it. It fits the tone of the book, which is essentially a book about teenagers. It fits better than Bagley ever did, (although, I would love to have Immonen back on it, he is quite awesome). He does a great job conveying the characters emotions and his actions scenes are pretty nice. And honestly, Ultimate Peter Parker always had a ****** haircut, whatever, he's a nerd, I don't care.

And there's only been one story arc of the new run, in which he did defeat Mysterio, but he escaped. After the clone saga, Spidey made a fool out of Kingpin, Moon Knight, and Silver Sable in a pretty funny scene (in the Marvel Knights story arc).

And fine, if you want to consider it an unofficial team book, okay. It's as much a team book as Captain America was after Civil War. That book was ****, right?
 
Gabriel Stacy is back?

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Well admittedly, the Clone Saga was probably the worst story arc in USM's history. BUt if you really didn't like any of the 96 issues of USM before that (which I gotta wonder why you read so much of it), then clearly you're not gonna like the relaunch.

A lot of people don't like the art, but I don't mind it. It fits the tone of the book, which is essentially a book about teenagers. It fits better than Bagley ever did, (although, I would love to have Immonen back on it, he is quite awesome). He does a great job conveying the characters emotions and his actions scenes are pretty nice. And honestly, Ultimate Peter Parker always had a ****** haircut, whatever, he's a nerd, I don't care.

And there's only been one story arc of the new run, in which he did defeat Mysterio, but he escaped. After the clone saga, Spidey made a fool out of Kingpin, Moon Knight, and Silver Sable in a pretty funny scene (in the Marvel Knights story arc).

And fine, if you want to consider it an unofficial team book, okay. It's as much a team book as Captain America was after Civil War. That book was ****, right?

CAPTAIN AMERICA after CIVIL WAR starred James Barnes. Black Widow was often beside him, and she seems to do that, such as the years when she was DAREDEVIL's "partner" in the 70's and 80's. Falcon showed up very sporadically. They weren't all living under the same roof appearing in every single issue and fighting together every single time.

I did like USM overall until about the CARNAGE saga, but even then, ever arc had some issues that Bendis would never improve upon. His need to stretch every story 1-3 issues longer than he had to, for one. Perhaps the most major was his belief that having Spider-Man get unmasked, or unmask himself, to literally everyone he meets was gold, and I disagreed. I saw it as a cheap and lazy way to get around the usual drama that comes out of a secret identity. It got to the point where if you took a shot every time Peter Parker unmasked himself or was unmasked by anyone, you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning before issue #40.

Leading up to the CLONE SAGA was the trend I mentioned; rather than improving with experience, as written in better teenage hero comics like BLUE BEETLE or INVINCIBLE, Spidey seemed to stagnate at best, and regress at worst. Any one of his enemies could seemingly capture, unmask, and humiliate him, to the point where predicting that whatever guest star or ally of his would have to save him got very, very easy. Then CLONE SAGA happened, which was like the one in the 90's, only much worse, because it had hindsight.

Bendis' personal opinion about Spider-Man is he is a hopeless, hapless, clueless loser who cannot do anything competent or relevant when it counts. When he has to fight a "space filling" random thug or villain, he's fine. Like if Shocker is robbing a bank for 5 pages to start the arc with a bang, JAMES BOND style. When Spider-Man does survive an arc villain, it is either due to luck, or assistance from anyone and everyone around him, or by accident, or the villain self-destructing, or so on. Bendis has a lot of these personal tics to his writing, but USM seemed to repeat them to farcical levels. It is Bendis Squared, his best and worst every month.

The biggest farce is that so many people, especially villains, know Peter Parker's identity and/or fare in USM within so few issues, and he has any sort of life left. It hasn't been leaked to the media, mobsters haven't fire-bombed May's house to ashes, everyone he knows hasn't been kidnapped and murdered, and so on. Lots of superhero comics have some sort of suspension of belief, but USM always stretched this. As far back as Kingpin unmasking Parker, I thought, "he can't just release a description of the kid he saw around Midtown High, the location of Spider-Man's first major battle?" Bendis' act of trying to "reinvent" the secret identity in the name of "realism" has, ironically, made the series less realistic. That was an issue I had long before CLONE SAGA. It makes absolutely zero sense that so many villains have unmasked or know who Spidey is within 100 issues and he has any sort of status quo at all. But, Bendis wouldn't deconstruct his own fetish, so the farce remains.

That's not even getting into the fact that USM gets captured/kidnapped and needs to be rescued about as often as Lois Lane, historically. In TV Tropes, I believe he would be referred to as a "James Bondage" (the male version of "Damsel in Distress").

After all that, and especially after ULTIMATUM, and for $4 a pop, would I bother giving it another chance, when after over 100 issues I was irritated enough to drop it. Heck, my SHH reviews of the Clone Saga, at the time, were the harshest anyone on SHH had read from me.

I imagine Immonen's run on art was fine; he's probably better suited than LaFuente, IMO. I liked Bagley fine, although I think a lot of people have lost interest and looked for "jumping off" points to the book, whether when Bagley left or when the series was relaunched. I have the cartoon SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN to fill whatever void in my heart for modern day based, teenage Spider-Man adventures. While Greg Wiesman had 6-7 years of USM comics to glance at for ideas (as he used Kong, he obviously did), his ability to create a new Spidey universe that was so much better written and executed than even Bendis' best on USM is mind boggling.
 
Dread, the USM relaunch has been really good so far...very well written and different.

But to be fair, in one of the Myserio fights, spidey was nearly killed and saved by a new mystery hero...who later turned out to be kitty pride, only Peter doesn't know that yet. :funny:
 
Dread, the USM relaunch has been really good so far...very well written and different.

But to be fair, in one of the Myserio fights, spidey was nearly killed and saved by a new mystery hero...who later turned out to be kitty pride, only Peter doesn't know that yet. :funny:

Totally not surprised. See how I can call it without having read it in a year? Bendis is predictable, and all of his 3-4 writing tricks are or were usually employed in USM, in a cycle.

I mean Bendis has written worse on other books, but, yeah, totally lost interest in USM. I'd almost say his earlier years were overrated on it.
 
CAPTAIN AMERICA after CIVIL WAR starred James Barnes. Black Widow was often beside him, and she seems to do that, such as the years when she was DAREDEVIL's "partner" in the 70's and 80's. Falcon showed up very sporadically. They weren't all living under the same roof appearing in every single issue and fighting together every single time.

I did like USM overall until about the CARNAGE saga, but even then, ever arc had some issues that Bendis would never improve upon. His need to stretch every story 1-3 issu to get around the usual drama that comes out of a secret identity. It got es longer than he had to, for one. Perhaps the most major was his belief that having Spider-Man get unmasked, or unmask himself, to literally everyone he meets was gold, and I disagreed. I saw it as a cheap and lazy wayto the point where if you took a shot every time Peter Parker unmasked himself or was unmasked by anyone, you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning before issue #40.

Leading up to the CLONE SAGA was the trend I mentioned; rather than improving with experience, as written in better teenage hero comics like BLUE BEETLE or INVINCIBLE, Spidey seemed to stagnate at best, and regress at worst. Any one of his enemies could seemingly capture, unmask, and humiliate him, to the point where predicting that whatever guest star or ally of his would have to save him got very, very easy. Then CLONE SAGA happened, which was like the one in the 90's, only much worse, because it had hindsight.

Bendis' personal opinion about Spider-Man is he is a hopeless, hapless, clueless loser who cannot do anything competent or relevant when it counts. When he has to fight a "space filling" random thug or villain, he's fine. Like if Shocker is robbing a bank for 5 pages to start the arc with a bang, JAMES BOND style. When Spider-Man does survive an arc villain, it is either due to luck, or assistance from anyone and everyone around him, or by accident, or the villain self-destructing, or so on. Bendis has a lot of these personal tics to his writing, but USM seemed to repeat them to farcical levels. It is Bendis Squared, his best and worst every month.

The biggest farce is that so many people, especially villains, know Peter Parker's identity and/or fare in USM within so few issues, and he has any sort of life left. It hasn't been leaked to the media, mobsters haven't fire-bombed May's house to ashes, everyone he knows hasn't been kidnapped and murdered, and so on. Lots of superhero comics have some sort of suspension of belief, but USM always stretched this. As far back as Kingpin unmasking Parker, I thought, "he can't just release a description of the kid he saw around Midtown High, the location of Spider-Man's first major battle?" Bendis' act of trying to "reinvent" the secret identity in the name of "realism" has, ironically, made the series less realistic. That was an issue I had long before CLONE SAGA. It makes absolutely zero sense that so many villains have unmasked or know who Spidey is within 100 issues and he has any sort of status quo at all. But, Bendis wouldn't deconstruct his own fetish, so the farce remains.

That's not even getting into the fact that USM gets captured/kidnapped and needs to be rescued about as often as Lois Lane, historically. In TV Tropes, I believe he would be referred to as a "James Bondage" (the male version of "Damsel in Distress").

After all that, and especially after ULTIMATUM, and for $4 a pop, would I bother giving it another chance, when after over 100 issues I was irritated enough to drop it. Heck, my SHH reviews of the Clone Saga, at the time, were the harshest anyone on SHH had read from me.

I imagine Immonen's run on art was fine; he's probably better suited than LaFuente, IMO. I liked Bagley fine, although I think a lot of people have lost interest and looked for "jumping off" points to the book, whether when Bagley left or when the series was relaunched. I have the cartoon SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN to fill whatever void in my heart for modern day based, teenage Spider-Man adventures. While Greg Wiesman had 6-7 years of USM comics to glance at for ideas (as he used Kong, he obviously did), his ability to create a new Spidey universe that was so much better written and executed than even Bendis' best on USM is mind boggling.
The second volume has only been around for 7 issues, and Human Torch has been in it for maybe 5 and Bobby for maybe 3. They've only fought together once. Right after Cap died, Bucky, Black Widow, Iron Man, Falcon, and Sharon Carter appeared in basically every issue of that story arc. So yeah, I don't see a difference. Outside of not living under the same roof, but thats just the nature of the book.

Yeah, Peter being unmasked all the time was kind of annoying, I'll give you that, but it wasn't a deal-breaker. And I did enjoy the fact that at least there wasn't any last minute deus ex machina protecting his identity whenever he's about to be unmasked by a villain. I always hate it when writers create a situation where the hero is about to be unmasked but for some ridiculous reason the villain never unmasks him. And there has been plenty of things happen to Peter's personal life because of villains knowing his identity, including Green Goblin kidnapping Mary Jane, SHIELD stationing itself out of May's house, Carnage killing Gwen, Silver Sable kidnapping Flash Thompson, Midtown High getting attacked, etc. And honestly, I don't think every villain who's seen him unmasked has the resources, care, or intelligence to bother ruining his life completely. Seriously, what is Shocker gonna do to hurt Spider-Man outside of what he already does?
 
Dread, the USM relaunch has been really good so far...very well written and different.

But to be fair, in one of the Myserio fights, spidey was nearly killed and saved by a new mystery hero...who later turned out to be kitty pride, only Peter doesn't know that yet. :funny:

Yeah, that I really don't mind. That's something that's not bugged me. I like it that Peter gets freaked out when he's in way over his head, something a teenager would probably really feel. My favorite story arc probably has to be the one where he gets shot, because he clearly had no idea how to deal with that, nor should he.
 
The second volume has only been around for 7 issues, and Human Torch has been in it for maybe 5 and Bobby for maybe 3. They've only fought together once. Right after Cap died, Bucky, Black Widow, Iron Man, Falcon, and Sharon Carter appeared in basically every issue of that story arc. So yeah, I don't see a difference. Outside of not living under the same roof, but thats just the nature of the book.

Yeah, Peter being unmasked all the time was kind of annoying, I'll give you that, but it wasn't a deal-breaker. And I did enjoy the fact that at least there wasn't any last minute deus ex machina protecting his identity whenever he's about to be unmasked by a villain. I always hate it when writers create a situation where the hero is about to be unmasked but for some ridiculous reason the villain never unmasks him. And there has been plenty of things happen to Peter's personal life because of villains knowing his identity, including Green Goblin kidnapping Mary Jane, SHIELD stationing itself out of May's house, Carnage killing Gwen, Silver Sable kidnapping Flash Thompson, Midtown High getting attacked, etc. And honestly, I don't think every villain who's seen him unmasked has the resources, care, or intelligence to bother ruining his life completely. Seriously, what is Shocker gonna do to hurt Spider-Man outside of what he already does?

Kitty Pryde, Iceman, and Human Torch have been involved with USM before the end of the second volume. I see a difference because Brubaker is a stronger writer than Bendis, at least IMO.

How about the endless dues ex machina excuses about why none of Spider-Man's villains spread his secret to the rest of the underworld, or the media? In real life, if a handful of street gang members become your enemy, and know who you are, you and your entire family are dead, within hours. These are street gang members, with access to hand guns and box cutters. In USM, we're talking Green Goblin, the Kingpin, endless super-powered crooks who can take on an entire SWAT team, and May isn't dead? Peter can still have high school shenanigans and hang in the basement of his house instead of being on the run every day of his life? How many baloney excuses did Bendis need to keep SHIELD from arresting Parker, or at least keeping him in "protective custody"? If Bendis were a braver writer, he would take his plots to their logical conclusions. There is absolutely zero way Parker would have any semblance of a normal life, nor would any civilian or even modestly superhuman associate of his be alive unless they were in neck deep with the Ultimates, protected by the fed or at least by wealthy types. Instead, Bendis piles on the excuses for why the villains don't blab, why the civilians stick around. It's utter lunacy, at least as ridiculous as old plots where "anything" happened to prevent a hero's unmask. If anything, USM does it worse, because it pretentiously thinks it's being more realistic, when in fact it is LESS.

As minor spoilers, one episode of the second season of TSSM had a villain who knew Parker's identity actually handle it in a smart way; exposing him. The result was a brilliant cliffhanger and an even better episode.

Yeah, that I really don't mind. That's something that's not bugged me. I like it that Peter gets freaked out when he's in way over his head, something a teenager would probably really feel. My favorite story arc probably has to be the one where he gets shot, because he clearly had no idea how to deal with that, nor should he.

The problem, at least when I was reading USM after a few years, was that Peter got freaked out EVERY SINGLE ARC. It seemed every adventure seemed to freak him out, make him a mumbling, stammering spaz unable to even defend himself, which after about 5-7 arcs of adventures, not including ULT. MARVEL TEAM UP is very unbecoming. I saw it as Bendis deliberately keeping his character from maturing or following plot threads logically because it would cause his narrative house of cards to collapse, and I lost respect and interest. If you don't like having to write when backed into a corner, don't write yourself into a corner. I'm not a "professional" and even I know that much.
 
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I'm glad Marvel's putting out more handbooks do the people buying them know that they can find all the info online for free
 
All i gotta say is why is there no Daredevil this month? And no that "Daredevil:Cage Match" thing doesnt count.
 
The is an event that is coming up with Daredavil and the Hand involved called Shadowland: http://www.theothermurdockpapers.com...ls-shadowland/ thats the only info I could find on it when I googled it. I'd say this isn't throw away one shot. I was listening to an interview with Diggle and he said he was starting to fall behind in his work writing 6 books(hence the lateness of DR:Hawkeye#5) but now he's back down to a workload he can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if there's 2 issues of Daredevil in June to make up for that, but at least that one-shot that is clearly intended to foreshadow something coming up in the series and is 2.99 instead of 3.99 like every one-shot and mini marvel puts out, so I'd say it kinda counts
 
Kitty Pryde, Iceman, and Human Torch have been involved with USM before the end of the second volume. I see a difference because Brubaker is a stronger writer than Bendis, at least IMO.

How about the endless dues ex machina excuses about why none of Spider-Man's villains spread his secret to the rest of the underworld, or the media? In real life, if a handful of street gang members become your enemy, and know who you are, you and your entire family are dead, within hours. These are street gang members, with access to hand guns and box cutters. In USM, we're talking Green Goblin, the Kingpin, endless super-powered crooks who can take on an entire SWAT team, and May isn't dead? Peter can still have high school shenanigans and hang in the basement of his house instead of being on the run every day of his life? How many baloney excuses did Bendis need to keep SHIELD from arresting Parker, or at least keeping him in "protective custody"? If Bendis were a braver writer, he would take his plots to their logical conclusions. There is absolutely zero way Parker would have any semblance of a normal life, nor would any civilian or even modestly superhuman associate of his be alive unless they were in neck deep with the Ultimates, protected by the fed or at least by wealthy types. Instead, Bendis piles on the excuses for why the villains don't blab, why the civilians stick around. It's utter lunacy, at least as ridiculous as old plots where "anything" happened to prevent a hero's unmask. If anything, USM does it worse, because it pretentiously thinks it's being more realistic, when in fact it is LESS.

As minor spoilers, one episode of the second season of TSSM had a villain who knew Parker's identity actually handle it in a smart way; exposing him. The result was a brilliant cliffhanger and an even better episode.



The problem, at least when I was reading USM after a few years, was that Peter got freaked out EVERY SINGLE ARC. It seemed every adventure seemed to freak him out, make him a mumbling, stammering spaz unable to even defend himself, which after about 5-7 arcs of adventures, not including ULT. MARVEL TEAM UP is very unbecoming. I saw it as Bendis deliberately keeping his character from maturing or following plot threads logically because it would cause his narrative house of cards to collapse, and I lost respect and interest. If you don't like having to write when backed into a corner, don't write yourself into a corner. I'm not a "professional" and even I know that much.

Bobby Drake has only appeared like once in USM, Peter even acknowledges that he barely knows the guy. The Human Torch has appeared here and there, not anymore than he appeared in Amazing Spider-Man when Stan Lee was writing it. You're really going to fault Bendis for having other heroes have guest appearances in the book? You difference is kind of lame. You're basically telling me that having multiple characters in a solo-character book is okay as long as it's not Bendis writing it.

And you seemed to completely ignore all of the examples I gave regarding how Peter's personal life is affected by people knowing his identity. I think its a stretch to assume that Peter's life should be completely ruined. Hell, you can say the same thing for regular Spider-Man. Why aren't Mary Jane, Aunt May, etc. dead. Enough major villains knew his identity (Chameleon, GG, Harry, Venom). Why isn't that Peter's life in tatters? You could apply this to basically any superhero. Like I said, it is kind of annoying that everyone finds out, but it's not a deal breaker.

I havent seen the second season of SSM, but the first season was amazing.
 
Whelp, I guess that confirms that Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the Avengers still.


No Secret Avengers picture

Still nothing on Nova or GotG...this worries me. :(

Also that picture of Astonishing X-Men has the ape Beast on it...is that an indication or a mistake?
 
The is an event that is coming up with Daredavil and the Hand involved called Shadowland: http://www.theothermurdockpapers.com...ls-shadowland/ thats the only info I could find on it when I googled it. I'd say this isn't throw away one shot. I was listening to an interview with Diggle and he said he was starting to fall behind in his work writing 6 books(hence the lateness of DR:Hawkeye#5) but now he's back down to a workload he can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if there's 2 issues of Daredevil in June to make up for that, but at least that one-shot that is clearly intended to foreshadow something coming up in the series and is 2.99 instead of 3.99 like every one-shot and mini marvel puts out, so I'd say it kinda counts

It goes beyond DD. According to this, it's a top secret street-level crossover.

All we know is that Wacker is editing and Billy Tan is illustrating, and Daredevil is a part of it. We don't know who else is involved or who is writing it.

http://www.comicvine.com/news/marvel-promotions-and-shadowland-event/140224/
 
Whelp, I guess that confirms that Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the Avengers still.


No Secret Avengers picture

Still nothing on Nova or GotG...this worries me. :(

Also that picture of Astonishing X-Men has the ape Beast on it...is that an indication or a mistake?


Nova is going to head the cosmic heroes against Thanos in Thanos Imperative.
 
Daredevil is going to be a key player considering he's behind it.

It's about time! As much as I love Bubaker, I hate how he segregates his characters. I can't wait for a cross over that gives the devil his due.
 
What do you mean by segregates? He usually writes solo books not team books.
 
What do you mean by segregates? He usually writes solo books not team books.

quick few examples civil war...Daredevil bails out and goes to europe, and there was very little of Captain America on going in civil war until his death, secret invasion?...nothing. Daredevil never even once ever knew that there was a massive alien invasion that went on that took a lot of who he calls friends and completely ignores a massive battle that takes place blocks away from his his house. Captain America mentions it once. Dark Reign - Daredevil never knew that Osborn of all people was leading the nations heroes until Diggle took over. Captain America...nothing. Bucky spends all of dark reign running around getting schooled by Zola. And right now, Bucky is rockin' it up in Asgard yet in the on going he's in Idaho fighting some weak a--impostor.

Again, I love Bru as a writer, and he's an excellent story teller, but it seems he doesn't like to play nice with the rest of the MU. He kinda goes off and does his own thing.
 
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So you're complaining that Brubaker's comics aren't bogged down in constant crossovers? Pffft, the fact that he gets to tell his own stories instead of having to interrupt it with a marketing event is probably why his work is so well-received.

But hey, you do have your few moments here and there, like when Cap had a House of M crossover in the middle of a story arc. Sure, it would have been nice to have the Winter Soldier told continuously, but we can all agree that Captain America should be a secondary title to whatever major event is going on:up:

:whatever:
 

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