Matt Reeves Directing The Batman

[Paradox1]

Were the people who saw Batman Forever and liked it like 5 and under at the time? I was in my early teens at the time. It was 10years removed from the Dark Knight I think, 7years removed from Burton's Batman and three years into BTAS. I'm sorry compared to all that awesome Batmanness this was a disgrace, the only good thing from this movie was Michael Gough as Alfred. What was wrong about this movie more than anything, its not like Lego Batman which is laughing with us, this movie made fun of us comic readers/batman fans.

 

[The Joker]

No.

Riddler doesn't only exist Post-Crisis. Carrey's performance was damn entertaining and every bit of a homage to Frank Gorshin as it was accurate to the source material it was inspired from.

This.

 

[2kt09]

 

[Serpico Jones]

ughh you made me almost throw up in my own mouth lmao. Jim Carey as the Riddler is matched only by Tommy Lee Jones in total disgrace.

Jesse Eisenberg was worse than both.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Carrey was hellishly entertaining as the Riddler.

 

[Timebomb]

Jesse Eisenberg was worse than both.

Jesse Eisenberg was worse than anyone in maybe any movie ever. Horrible performance.

 

[Timebomb]

The Schumacher movies are horrible but they are camp. You can laugh at them and not take them seriously. BVS begs to be taken seriously and so when it's horrible it's just unwatchable.

 

[Saint]

Batman Forever is fine if you look at it as what it unapologetically is: an adaption of 60s era Batman stories. I'm not saying it's a good film or anything, nor would I ever ask for such a film. It just happens to be a fair adaptation of a very specific era of Batman stories.

You can't really dismiss it without also dismissing a sizable chunk of Batman's history.

It's funny; in 1995 Batman Forever was mining material that was published thirty years prior--the comics (and television show) of the mid-sixties. As it turns out, it didn't make a lot of sense to do that. Meanwhile, in 2016, Batman v Superman also mined the material 30 years prior, in this case DKR and the deconstructionist wave of comics of the mid-eighties.

In 2005, Batman Begins was heavily inspired by Denny O'Neil's work in the seventies. Maybe in 2025 we'll be looking at Knightfall and Azbats on screen.

 

[NJCaliboy]

Batman Forever is fine if you look at it as what it unapologetically is: an adaption of 60s era Batman stories. I'm not saying it's a good film or anything, nor would I ever ask for such a film. It just happens to be a fair adaptation of a very specific era of Batman stories.

You can't really dismiss it without also dismissing a sizable chunk of Batman's history.

It's funny; in 1995 Batman Forever was mining material that was published thirty years prior--the comics (and television show) of the mid-sixties. As it turns out, it didn't make a lot of sense to do that. Meanwhile, in 2016, Batman v Superman also mined the material 30 years prior, in this case DKR and the deconstructionist wave of comics of the mid-eighties.

In 2005, Batman Begins was heavily inspired by Denny O'Neil's work in the seventies. Maybe in 2025 we'll be looking at Knightfall and Azbats on screen.

What a refreshing way to view things- u make some solid points about older source material serving as later stories and how the material got more solid so too did the future movies.

I"m also glad u didn't bother defending Batman Forever as a good movie, you were simply providing context.

 

[Wise]

Is this guy out of the question?

I think it should be a prerequisite that to be in contention a director needs to have made a watchable film in the current century.

 

[BH/HHH]

Batman Forever is fine if you look at it as what it unapologetically is: an adaption of 60s era Batman stories. I'm not saying it's a good film or anything, nor would I ever ask for such a film. It just happens to be a fair adaptation of a very specific era of Batman stories.

You can't really dismiss it without also dismissing a sizable chunk of Batman's history.

It's funny; in 1995 Batman Forever was mining material that was published thirty years prior--the comics (and television show) of the mid-sixties. As it turns out, it didn't make a lot of sense to do that. Meanwhile, in 2016, Batman v Superman also mined the material 30 years prior, in this case DKR and the deconstructionist wave of comics of the mid-eighties.

In 2005, Batman Begins was heavily inspired by Denny O'Neil's work in the seventies. Maybe in 2025 we'll be looking at Knightfall and Azbats on screen.

I liked Batman Forever, it's not perfect but it's certainly decent. I do see it as a missed opportunity had they reigned in Tommy Lee and had something better than "brain waves" as the plot I think it could have been the best Batman film. Really when you look at it visually, the cast and the actual idea of it it really could have been something amazing. (Also take the nipples off the panther suit and that's the best pre BvS Batman costume IMO)

 

[Frodo]

As someone who was 16 when BF, like it or not BF was popular , though even at the time, there were critics who gave it negative reviews. You have to look at how it was received in the context of 1995 and not in the context of 2017.

Jim Carrey was hot off of In Living Color, Ace Ventura, The Mask ; You had a film which could appeal more to of a family audience than BR did, BTAS was still on and popular, You had younger actors aside from Jones in the lead roles, It was one of the films that really made Nicole Kidman a big star, it was the first long awaited appearance of Robin since the 60's film, The film had a hit soundtrack with Kiss From Rose being played around the clock, It was the 90s , and it was the era of blockbusters like the Rock, Independence Day, etc. , and Batmania swept the country again in a similar way it did in 1989.

I really don't remember there being calls to do the "miller style" Batman for BF. The "lets get back to the gritty" talk really seemed to pick up steam universally after B&R. There were those who didn't like the camp in Forever even then, but the general audiences at the time seemed to be fine with the tone of the film at that time.

Its not an accident B&R was rushed out only two years later. It was to capitalize on the success of BF. B&R was criticized for being campy but its was mostly bashed for just being awful in general.

 

[Kane52630]

ughh you made me almost throw up in my own mouth lmao. Jim Carey as the Riddler is matched only by Tommy Lee Jones in total disgrace.

 

[BH/HHH]

As someone who was 16 when BF, like it or not BF was popular , though even at the time, there were critics who gave it negative reviews. You have to look at how it was received in the context of 1995 and not in the context of 2017.

Jim Carrey was hot off of In Living Color, Ace Ventura, The Mask ; You had a film which could appeal more to of a family audience than BR did, BTAS was still on and popular, You had younger actors aside from Jones in the lead roles, It was one of the films that really made Nicole Kidman a big star, it was the first long awaited appearance of Robin since the 60's film, The film had a hit soundtrack with Kiss From Rose being played around the clock, It was the 90s , and it was the era of blockbusters like the Rock, Independence Day, etc. , and Batmania swept the country again in a similar way it did in 1989.

I really don't remember there being calls to do the "miller style" Batman for BF. The "lets get back to the gritty" talk really seemed to pick up steam universally after B&R. There were those who didn't like the camp in Forever even then, but the general audiences at the time seemed to be fine with the tone of the film at that time.

Its not an accident B&R was rushed out only two years later. It was to capitalize on the success of BF. B&R was criticized for being campy but its was mostly bashed for just being awful in general.

Very good post. BF was a huge hit back in the day. I remember all the promotion aswell here in the UK when it was about to be released. I remember the Daily Mirror doing a magazine special on it and I think either BK or McD's did some toys for it with happy meals. It was a really big deal. WBs got so much flak from parents and such over Batman Returns they wanted to make a lighter Batman. Batman Forever balanced the Dark and light aspects quite well and they should have stuck to that with B&R but they went further with it. B&R is just a film littered with problems one been it's Batman Forever again but nowhere near as good.

 

[Jekecy]

ss

It's funny; in 1995 Batman Forever was mining material that was published thirty years prior--the comics (and television show) of the mid-sixties. As it turns out, it didn't make a lot of sense to do that. Meanwhile, in 2016, Batman v Superman also mined the material 30 years prior, in this case DKR and the deconstructionist wave of comics of the mid-eighties.

In 2005, Batman Begins was heavily inspired by Denny O'Neil's work in the seventies. Maybe in 2025 we'll be looking at Knightfall and Azbats on screen.

It's not too much of a surprise. Batman has been so pervasive in pop culture, one of its incarnations touched the young minds of the future would-be directors. It likely colors their interpretation of what the character should be, peppered with a modern edge and their creative touches.

Even Nolan's trilogy couldn't escape the occasional Adam West references, as that was the show Chris grew up on.

To your last point, a 90s baby should inevitably take the top spot in a few years time. And while I myself am from the glorious 90s, I'd pray their references lean more towards the Timmverse than practically anything from the books.

 

[Wise]

As someone who was 16 when BF, like it or not BF was popular , though even at the time, there were critics who gave it negative reviews. You have to look at how it was received in the context of 1995 and not in the context of 2017.

Jim Carrey was hot off of In Living Color, Ace Ventura, The Mask ; You had a film which could appeal more to of a family audience than BR did, BTAS was still on and popular, You had younger actors aside from Jones in the lead roles, It was one of the films that really made Nicole Kidman a big star, it was the first long awaited appearance of Robin since the 60's film, The film had a hit soundtrack with Kiss From Rose being played around the clock, It was the 90s , and it was the era of blockbusters like the Rock, Independence Day, etc. , and Batmania swept the country again in a similar way it did in 1989.

I really don't remember there being calls to do the "miller style" Batman for BF. The "lets get back to the gritty" talk really seemed to pick up steam universally after B&R. There were those who didn't like the camp in Forever even then, but the general audiences at the time seemed to be fine with the tone of the film at that time.

Its not an accident B&R was rushed out only two years later. It was to capitalize on the success of BF. B&R was criticized for being campy but its was mostly bashed for just being awful in general.

I was 11 when BF came out and I remember it being huge. U2's Hold me Thrill me Kiss me Kill me was number one on the charts for months along with Kiss from a Rose.

As a kid I loved the film, it had everything I wanted in a film, even though at that point I was heavy into reading Batman comics after being given a stack of them by my cousin and then following the entire Knightfall saga.

If I'd watched it as an adult Batman fan I would have hated it though I admit that.

 

[BH/HHH]

In any case maybe we should return to the topic of directors before the thread gets temporarily shut down.

 

[FunkMiller]

In any case maybe we should return to the topic of directors before the thread gets temporarily shut down.

Okay then, here's a left field suggestion: Miguel Sapochnik.

Directed the best hour of television last year. Could be time for him to step up. He has a great visual eye, and a firm command of storytelling, structure and geography.

Also British. We Brits always do Batman better t:

 

[BH/HHH]

Okay then, here's a left field suggestion: Miguel Sapochnik.

Directed the best hour of television last year. Could be time for him to step up. He has a great visual eye, and a firm command of storytelling, structure and geography.

Also British. We Brits always do Batman better t:

Who? Lol

 

[Greens]

Who? Lol

Directed notable GoT episodes Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards.

 

[BH/HHH]

Directed notable GoT episodes Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards.

Ahh I don't watch GOT not my cup of tea. But even so if you guys are saying he does that well then I don't see why he couldn't do a movie.

 

[harlequinade]

Okay then, here's a left field suggestion: Miguel Sapochnik.

Directed the best hour of television last year. Could be time for him to step up. He has a great visual eye, and a firm command of storytelling, structure and geography.

Also British. We Brits always do Batman better t:

That 'best hour of television last year' also had pretty embarrassing continuity issues (eg. Sansa hearing about Ramsay's dogs even though she rode away before he said it).

Imho in general he is overrated.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Carrey was hellishly entertaining as the Riddler.

And so was Eisenberg as Luthor...OK, not really.

I would like to know what Snyder was thinking while directing him and when the full performance unspooled before his eyes in the editing room.

 

[shauner111]

That 'best hour of television last year' also had pretty embarrassing continuity issues (eg. Sansa hearing about Ramsay's dogs even though she rode away before he said it).

Imho in general he is overrated.

Thats the writing, not the direction. Television is not exactly the directors medium like film is either.

He directed the hell out of those GoT episodes.

 

[harlequinade]

Thats the writing, not the direction. Television is not exactly the directors medium like film is either.

He directed the hell out of those GoT episodes.

Still that no one noticed that glitch, including the director is just embarrassing to me. And I was responding to this being called best hour of television there.

Eh, they had good action but not much else for me. Hardhome was better than BotB.