Matt Reeves To Direct The Upcoming Batman Solo - Part 2

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John Campea is, quite frankly, pissing me off when it comes to this movie because he is stoking the flames of fear with zero quantifiable evidence. "Oh the movie keeps getting delayed. There are clearly production issues going on behind the scenes. I doubt this movie ever happens. Blah blah blah."

Let's get a few things straight.

1) Even when Affleck was on-board, this movie was never officially dated. Ever. It had never gotten past the development stage. We can argue until we are blue in the face about how the movie was "planned" to come out this year, or that the studio "was aiming" for the movie to come out that year, but nothing was ever set in stone. Period. Since this project's inception, there has always been fluidity to its release.
2) Say whatever you will about the movies themselves, but we just had Batman on screen not too long ago. This time last year, you could still catch Justice League in theaters - which starred him in a major capacity. And the year prior to that we had another major appearance in BvS and a cameo in SS. It's not as if we are starved for this character. So what's the rush?
3) Removing the DCU films from the equation for a second, the last time the character had a solo outing was in the acclaimed Nolan trilogy. Big shoes to fill. Couple that with the recent failed outings in the DCU, it absolutely necessitates getting this movie right - even it it takes more time to do it.
4) The recent successes of Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and (yes) even Suicide Squad show that there is a healthy market for DC films outside of Batman. He doesn't have to be their go-to property anymore. So taking into account the fact that we just saw Batman on screen not too long ago, as well as the fact that WB is finding success in other DC properties not named Batman or Superman, what exactly is this rush to get Batman back out there right now?
5) For whatever reason, fans have come to sort of expect to get updates on damn near every aspect of a film's production nowadays. What is the time table for writing the script? When is the script due? How long will it take the studio to read it? What notes did they give? Okay well how long is the second draft going to take? When are we getting production start dates? It's almost become a sense of entitlement. And if we don't get this information, oh well that can only mean the movie is in trouble. Uh, no. It just means they are developing the movie, and they aren't announcing anything until they have all the necessary pieces in place. But that's the culture now. Regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, if we aren't getting frequent updates on the status of the script, or pre-production, or the anticipated production date, it can only mean bad things. Thus you have clickbait artists like John Campea whipping people into a frenzy and freaking them out for no reason whatsoever. Because fans are such easy marks now. They're easier than ever.

I get that we all want this movie out tomorrow, but the simple point of fact is that there is no need or reason to rush this thing out.
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I can't stand his takes when it comes to this movie. He kept saying (and continues to say) throughout 2018 that the script was originally due in for October 2017. I replied in the comment section on one of his videos that this seems highly unlikely given that Reeves probably didn't start writing it until September/October 2017 at the earliest. He answered back saying sources close to WB told him this was the case. But we know Reeves was working on the last Apes movie until July and Justin Kroll at Variety (one of the most reputable sources) reported at the time he was going to take a break before starting work on his Batman film. It's therefore almost impossible that he would be mandated to have a script ready for October 2017. Yet Campea continues to peddle this and uses it against Matt Reeves to say the project is behind schedule. In his most recent video on the subject, he even went at him again, saying 'He's done all these other things that are obviously more important', trying to make out like Reeves isn't committed to Batman. In 2018, it was announced he's signed production deals with Netflix and Shonda Rhimes etc. but he's not actually made/directed/produced anything else in that time which again makes his point ridiculous.

With regard to the script, I think Matt Reeves has been working it for about a year. Even if he started work on the initial treatment/story aspects in October 2017, you have to remember JL released and bombed in November which obviously would've changed the plan going forward and potentially what they wanted from his film. Plus new leadership was then hired in January 2018 when Walter Hamada was appointed as head of DC Films. That meant a new person was now in charge from when Reeves was initially hired and who he'd previously spoken to regarding the plan for the film. He probably then had to meet Hamada to discuss his plans for DC and how Reeves' Batman fit into all of that.
 
Wasn't Campea completely wrong on Batman v Superman and Justice League too?
 
Gandhi said:
I can't stand his takes when it comes to this movie. He kept saying (and continues to say) throughout 2018 that the script was originally due in for October 2017. I replied in the comment section on one of his videos that this seems highly unlikely given that Reeves probably didn't start writing it until September/October 2017 at the earliest. He answered back saying sources close to WB told him this was the case. But we know Reeves was working on the last Apes movie until July and Justin Kroll at Variety (one of the most reputable sources) reported at the time he was going to take a break before starting work on his Batman film. It's therefore almost impossible that he would be mandated to have a script ready for October 2017. Yet Campea continues to peddle this and uses it against Matt Reeves to say the project is behind schedule. In his most recent video on the subject, he even went at him again, saying 'He's done all these other things that are obviously more important', trying to make out like Reeves isn't committed to Batman. In 2018, it was announced he's signed production deals with Netflix and Shonda Rhimes etc. but he's not actually made/directed/produced anything else in that time which again makes his point ridiculous.

With regard to the script, I think Matt Reeves has been working it for about a year. Even if he started work on the initial treatment/story aspects in October 2017, you have to remember JL released and bombed in November which obviously would've changed the plan going forward and potentially what they wanted from his film. Plus new leadership was then hired in January 2018 when Walter Hamada was appointed as head of DC Films. That meant a new person was now in charge from when Reeves was initially hired and who he'd previously spoken to regarding the plan for the film. He probably then had to meet Hamada to discuss his plans for DC and how Reeves' Batman fit into all of that.
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I am just taking an educated guess here but if Reeves didn't start doing research on the characters until Oct 2017, and then started outlining it around Jan last year....it's interesting to take this into account too -

‘Nightwing’ Director Eyed for ‘Dungeons & Dragons’ at Paramount and AllSpark Pictures (EXCLUSIVE)

1 month after Hamada took charge and Reeves started outlining the story, Nightwing is pushed back/on hold

I might be wrong but I thought Christina Hodson said she hasn't started writing Batgirl a few months ago, then in the latest round of interviews in Nov/Dec 2018 she has been working on it

‘Bumblebee’ Screenwriter Hints About ‘Birds of Prey,’ ‘Batgirl’ and Why She Writes About Female Superheroes

Just makes me wonder if post JL WB thought about leaning into the Bat universe more but need Reeves to kick start them rather than putting out Batgirl, Nightwing etc out there randomly, thus he's taking more time either to compliment the studio's plans to organize the bat universe, or he is happy to do the bat family angle in the detective story but it requires extra time to write it organically...

....he does like to write families into his movies (Dawn of apes had Malcom & family + Caesar's family, War had Caesar's family and an orphan and an ape father who lost his son) and he's big on "emotions" he talks about it all the time, so it could be possible that it's something WB wants and he's happy to oblige too since it's part of his wheelhouse
 
Greenlite said:
So what was Campea's "oh DC fans are gonna get so angry at this news" thing a year ago? lol.
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If you asked him, he'd probably allude to Cavill's departure (even though he likely knew zilch about it at the time).
 
ArmsHeldOut said:
If you asked him, he'd probably allude to Cavill's departure (even though he likely knew zilch about it at the time).
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Ya for those of us that have been following the MOS2 situation, Cavill looked pretty happy in April 2018 when he was asked about the sequel and they were clearly in negotiation until everything went to s*** in September, there was a rumor of him appearing in Shazam around early in the year and later confirmed by THR in September so if Campea got anything it'll be positive info anyway, not the apocalypse that he was making up

the other one I could think of is based on Mark Hughes articles over the last 13 months he was indicating WB is planning to reboot the whole thing once WW and maybe AM finish their runs, but we know they already put DCEU stuff in Shazam and marketed it, and negotiating with Cavill means not rebooting the whole thing was still the main option, his non-signing late last year might have been a big blow to keeping DCEU (Flash got "delayed" right after that news broke), but AM making 1 billion+ put "continuing DCEU with adjustment and merging with new versions of the characters" into priority again, even Hughes' article now says they might consider putting the current version of AM and WW together with other new versions, which is like a no brainer because why would you boot those 2 when they're your RDJ/Jackman of the brand and risk the new actors playing the same roles getting the heat of "not my...." when they take over in such a short amount of time?

So I guess he was making up BS or he heard the total reboot the whole thing when WW finishes as one of the options. Now you have Gal, Jason, Margot, Will, possibly Ezra joining them and very likely put in Levi (with The Rock to tag along) and possibly a new Sup, definitely a new Bat, and a GLC film and done properly and well then they have a fully functioning new universe within 3-4 years
 
OutOfBoose said:
I bet it was The Batman filming delayed from Summer to Autumn 2019.
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Ya I think he might use that as one of his "scoops confirmed"

Like he knew in early 2018 when Matt's outlining the movie that it's gonna be set in summer 2019 then delayed till end of the year =P
 
Greenlite said:
So I guess he was making up BS or he heard the total reboot the whole thing when WW finishes as one of the options. Now you have Gal, Jason, Margot, Will, possibly Ezra joining them and very likely put in Levi (with The Rock to tag along) and possibly a new Sup, definitely a new Bat, and a GLC film and done properly and well then they have a fully functioning new universe within 3-4 years
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If DCEU continues with Jason Momoa, Zachary Levi, Rock, Margot Robbie, Gal Gadot and Ezra Miller that's pretty solid cast, I doubt a reboot will manage to get better cast or better opportunity for Success.

Matt Reeves Batman will be set many years before the first appearance of Superman, when Batman was young, so even though it's still connected to DCEU, it can well function as stand-alone Batman movie without having to mention anything that will happen later. Only piece of puzzle that's missing is what will happen to Superman ? Recast ? Soft-reboot ? Or fade away till next reboot ?
 
Micromind said:
If DCEU continues with Jason Momoa, Zachary Levi, Rock, Margot Robbie, Gal Gadot and Ezra Miller that's pretty solid cast, I doubt a reboot will manage to get better cast or better opportunity for Success.

Matt Reeves Batman will be set many years before the first appearance of Superman, when Batman was young, so even though it's still connected to DCEU, it can well function as stand-alone Batman movie without having to mention anything that will happen later. Only piece of puzzle that's missing is what will happen to Superman ? Recast ? Soft-reboot ? Or fade away till next reboot ?
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Reeves likes his easter eggs so he might have fun planting them in his own films and cause raging debates on which universe the movie is set in lol

I think he'll make it like AM and WW where there are "retcons" but also stuff that's in line with DCEU but only geeks spend the whole night arguing about it lol.

You could add GLC with likable cast and Hal could be played by A-listers like Cruise, Cooper or whoever

I think either Cavill returns, or he quits 100% confirmed and Sup's place gets taken by Supergirl, might be cause outrage at the sup threads but mainstream would think it's pretty neat. the other option is let Supergirl spin off a new Superman, but if they do get one of the sups going then this universe won't take that long to be completed

Edit: and you forgot the cast would include Fresh prince of bel air and Bautista Bane
 
Greenlite said:
I am just taking an educated guess here but if Reeves didn't start doing research on the characters until Oct 2017, and then started outlining it around Jan last year....it's interesting to take this into account too -

‘Nightwing’ Director Eyed for ‘Dungeons & Dragons’ at Paramount and AllSpark Pictures (EXCLUSIVE)

1 month after Hamada took charge and Reeves started outlining the story, Nightwing is pushed back/on hold

I might be wrong but I thought Christina Hodson said she hasn't started writing Batgirl a few months ago, then in the latest round of interviews in Nov/Dec 2018 she has been working on it

‘Bumblebee’ Screenwriter Hints About ‘Birds of Prey,’ ‘Batgirl’ and Why She Writes About Female Superheroes

Just makes me wonder if post JL WB thought about leaning into the Bat universe more but need Reeves to kick start them rather than putting out Batgirl, Nightwing etc out there randomly, thus he's taking more time either to compliment the studio's plans to organize the bat universe, or he is happy to do the bat family angle in the detective story but it requires extra time to write it organically...

....he does like to write families into his movies (Dawn of apes had Malcom & family + Caesar's family, War had Caesar's family and an orphan and an ape father who lost his son) and he's big on "emotions" he talks about it all the time, so it could be possible that it's something WB wants and he's happy to oblige too since it's part of his wheelhouse
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Yeah, this article from June last year (Warner Bros. Shifts DC Strategy Amid Executive Change-Up) notes that when Hamada was appointed he spent time going through all the announced projects to evaluate them.

It's hard to know what they are going to do considering Matt Reeves film may be a full reboot. He could introduce Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon (Oracle maybe?) but then that would be separate from the BoP/Suicide Squad continuity. The other option is a prequel within the same continuity but set years before. You could then have Batgirl and Nightwing movies set in the current timeline and Reeves could introduce the characters or not use them at all depending on how young his Batman is.

So many questions haha. Hopefully we get some answers in the coming months.
 
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Somehow I doubt Reeves' Batman will be a prequel to Snyder's. He seems like the type of filmmaker who'd want to put his own stamp on the character. Just look at how different his Planet of the Apes film was to the previous one.
 
Elayis said:
Somehow I doubt Reeves' Batman will be a prequel to Snyder's. He seems like the type of filmmaker who'd want to put his own stamp on the character. Just look at how different his Planet of the Apes film was to the previous one.
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Agreed. and by the time that film comes out, nobody will even care to remember snyders horrible vision for the character. I definitely feel this is going to end up being a soft reboot
 
Gothamsknight said:
Agreed. and by the time that film comes out, nobody will even care to remember snyders horrible vision for the character. I definitely feel this is going to end up being a soft reboot
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I've been saying this too. It may be hard to grasp for some people since we're only one year removed from Ben Affleck last playing Batman, but if we're really looking at 2021, we'll be almost 3 years since we last saw him. If people can move on from Andrew Garfield within that time, I think people will move on from Batfleck, especially if it's good.
 
Gandhi said:
Yeah, this article from June last year (Warner Bros. Shifts DC Strategy Amid Executive Change-Up) notes that when Hamada was appointed he spent time going through all the announced projects to evaluate them.

It's hard to know what they are going to do considering Matt Reeves film may be a full reboot. He could introduce Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon (Oracle maybe?) but then that would be separate from the BoP/Suicide Squad continuity. The other option is a prequel within the same continuity but set years before. You could then have Batgirl and Nightwing movies set in the current timeline and Reeves could introduce the characters or not use them at all depending on how young his Batman is.

So many questions haha. Hopefully we get some answers in the coming months.
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One thing is for sure, others can’t start unless he has his versions locked in

Elayis said:
Somehow I doubt Reeves' Batman will be a prequel to Snyder's. He seems like the type of filmmaker who'd want to put his own stamp on the character. Just look at how different his Planet of the Apes film was to the previous one.
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I agree, though Matt took over Caesar from another director’s version, he also made a remake of let the right one in, so it’s still possible for him to take the existing version and elevate the material whether it is sequels or prequels
 
Greenlite said:
...he also made a remake of let the right one in, so it’s still possible for him to take the existing version and elevate the material whether it is sequels or prequels
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That was him? I had no idea! That’s so funny, I played the lead in the staged version last year. I need to check out the movie now!
 
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