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MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Captain Marvel

MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Captain Marvel


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We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Thor and Captain Marvel belong to in your posts. Also, don't forget I've now added the option of being able to change your vote if you change your mind. :up:


So, without further delay here is this week's match up

THOR

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CAPTAIN MARVEL

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THOR

- Superhuman Strength: As an Asgardian, specifically the son of Odin, Thor is the third strongest Asgardian of his time, surpassed only by Odin and Hela, and with their deaths, he is now the strongest Asgardian alive. After receiving visions from Odin's spirit, Thor's strength and fighting skill combined with his newfound ability to generate lightning quickly gave Thor to compete against the angered Hulk, generating a shock-wave with his punch that visibly dazed the Hulk. He was also able to easily swing around Rocket Raccoon's Milano escape pod at great speeds, and even hold open the massive forge of a Nidavellir star long enough for Eitri to heat the metal, as well as throw Stormbreaker with enough force that combined with his electrical powers, it was able to slice through a beam from the completed Infinity Gauntlet, and lodge deep into Thanos's chest.

- Superhuman Durability: Thor's skin, muscle, and bone tissue have many times the density of the same tissue in the body of a human being and is nigh-invulnerable, much more so than regular Asgardians to the point that Gamora claimed that Thor's muscles felt as if they were "made of Cotati metal fibers". Thor's durability even allowed him to survive the full force of a re-ignited Nidavellir star, though it leaves his body severely charred and knocks him unconscious and he was close to death and would have died had Stormbreaker not healed him. Thor's physical constitution is so strong he was even remain conscious after having Thanos repeatedly press the force of the Power Stone against his head, which if touched by beings less powerful would instantly obliterate them.

- Stormbreaker: Thor's newly forged maul Stormbreaker is able to focus and hone Thor's powers, acting as a conduit. The weapon, due to being made out of Uru, is nigh-indestructible and able to withstand energy blasts created by the Infinity Stones, even wounding Thanos. The only reason it failed to kill Thanos was because Thor intentionally delayed the killing blow, a catastrophic mistake unrelated to the weapon's abilities. Stormbreaker is able to summon the Bifrost Bridge, even after the bridge's apparent destruction, shown when Thor teleported himself, Rocket Raccoon and Groot to Wakanda instantly. The weapon, like Mjølnir before it, will return to Thor's hand when he opens it and strikes his opponents with massive force.

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Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his astounding resistance to injury, it is still possible to injure Thor. However, due to his Asgardian physiology, Thor is able to heal at a rate significiantly faster than a normal human and even much faster than most Asgardians. While fighting Hela, Thor was painfully pierced multiple times by her Necroswords, getting his right eye gouged out in the process, and while Thor was unable to regenerate his eye, he recovered from all of the stabs mere minutes later, despite the Warriors Three all perishing from a single stab from Hela each. After suffering a beating from Thanos and getting burned by the Power Stone, Thor managed to recover rapidly afterwards. Later, Thor survived the full force of a re-ignited Nidavellir star, though it left his body charred and near death, Thor was completely healed after receiving Stormbreaker to harness and amplify his supernatural powers.

- Superhuman Speed: Thor can move at great superhuman speeds. Thor tackled Hulk through the wall of a Helicarrier in a split second, visibly appearing as a blur. He also proves capable of overwhelming the Hulk in hand-to-hand combat during their second fight, able to easily dodge his feral attacks and land his own blows and get a grip on him. In battle, while holding back, he is easily fast enough to contend with the extremely fast Loki in combat and although his adopted brother is capable of outmanuevering him when he is holding back, when Thor unleashed his rage, he was able to easily catch Loki off-guard, disarm him of his sceptre.

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Superhuman Reflexes: Thor can react and dodge objects traveling at high speeds, with him dodging many of Hulk's blows during the Contest of Champions and he was able to blast away swords thrown by Hela as soon as they were sent sent flying towards him.

- Superhuman Stamina: Thor's advanced musculature is considerably more efficient than that of a human and most other Asgardians. As a result, his muscles produce practically no fatigue toxins during physical activity compared to those of humans and most other members of his race. His virtually inexhaustible stamina enables him to exert himself at peak capacity for an undefined period of time without tiring at all.

- Superhuman Agility: Thor's agility, dexterity, balance, and bodily coordination make him a great warrior for battle. He moves with incredible grace and speed despite his considerable size and body density. He was able to dodge the wing of a jet fighter thrown at him by the Hulk, as well as dodging many of Hulk's hammer and battle-ax blows and outmaneuvering him in their second battle. He can easily keep up with Loki while holding back despite Loki's great agility in both their fights.

- Longevity: Thor, like all other Asgardians, is not truly immortal. It is possible to kill an Asgardian and other beings in the Nine Realms. More accurately, Asgardians are extremely long-lived beings. Thor ages at a pace far slower than a normal human, as he claims to be 1,500 years old, since like Loki, he was born shortly before the last great war between the Asgardians and the Frost Giants.

- Weather Manipulation: Thor was born with the power to control weather storms, with it being the reason he is called the "God of Thunder". Even before Thor unlocked his powers, he still displayed a level of control over weather, able to manipulate parts of it, although his focus always seemed to be somewhere else so whenever events of him displaying this power occurred his mind was elsewhere. Among them was when he was able to keep rain from touching Jane Foster as a downpour occurred as well as when he began to generate sparks of lightning from his hands after becoming furious. He began to unlock the full potential of his abilities during his encounter with Hela, and is now able to generate rather large storm clouds and create thunder.

- Electricity Manipulation: Thor was born with the ability to generate, control and project electrical energy, with him thus being dubbed the "God of Thunder". Following Odin's death and visions from his father's spirit, Thor finally fully unlocked his electrical powers and his powers over lightning are enhanced to the point where he could generate incredible amounts of electrical energy from his own body and summon thunder and lightning from the sky, all without the use of Mjølnir. The greatest display of his electricity manipulation is when Thor charges Stormbreaker and throws it at Thanos. The charged weapon proved powerful enough to quickly slice through a beam fired from the completed Infinity Gauntlet and grievously injure Thanos in a single strike, with Thanos himself saying that Thor may have been able to kill him had he aimed for the head.

- Flight: One of Thor's new abilities that he discovered after losing Mjølnir was how he was able to hover, glide, and fly through the air at great speeds without any outside help. He was able to grab onto the Hulk and lift him several feet in the air while they were fighting in the Contest of Champions. He also was able to hover across the Rainbow Bridge multiple times during his final encounter with his sister Hela. He was able to launch himself into the air from the Asgardian palace to the middle of the Bifrost within moments. During the Battle of Wakanda, Thor flew easily while using the Stormbreaker to destroy the ships of the Outriders and later while attacking Thanos.

- Teleportation: After Thor gained his new devastating weapon, Stormbreaker, he was able to teleport at will, due to gaining the ability to manipulate the Bifrost Bridge. As a result, Thor instantly teleported himself, Rocket Raccoon and Groot to Wakanda, in order to aid his allies in battle against Thanos and the Black Order.


CAPTAIN MARVEL

- Superhuman Strength
: Danvers possesses a considerable superhuman strength that allows her to overcome several other creatures of the universe, such as Humans, Skrulls and Kree with relative ease. She was also able to stop a Kree missile traveling at high speed and send it against other missiles so that they could not crash into the surface of the planet Earth, as well as cross several Kree ships with relative ease and destroy an extremely huge armored ship, tying it down completely, despite the tough metal with which it had been manufactured.

- Superhuman Durability: Danvers' skin, muscles and bone tissue often have the density of the same tissue in the body of a human being, which makes them almost invulnerable. She withstood destroying missiles and Kree ships launched by Ronan without any effort and pass through an armored ship to destroy it and was left completely unharmed of the great explosion that was generated.

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Superhuman Speed: Danvers can move at great superhuman speeds. She is able to overwhelm several Skrulls, including Talos, in hand-to-hand combat, was able to easily dodge their wild attacks and land their own blows while in control of them. While chasing a Skrull through the city of Los Angeles, Danvers was able to keep up with the speed of a train to finally get on top of it. She was also able to handle Starforce members in combat, easily dodging their attacks. Also, by combining her speed with her flight capacity, she can travel at the speed of light.

- Superhuman Reflexes
: Danvers can react and dodge objects that travel at high speeds, with her dodging many of the blows of the Skrulls and later the members of the Starforce with relative ease and almost effortlessly. Also, while flying, she was able to dodge the gunshots of the Kree warship.

- Superhuman Agility
: Danvers has greater agility, dexterity, balance and body coordination than a human being. During her training with Yon-Rogg, Danvers was able to do elaborate cartwheels and flying kicks against Yon-Rogg. She was also able to dodge many of the Skrulls' punches and overcome them in her second battle. She was able to easily keep up with and surpass the Starforce members, despite the great agility in combat shown by the latter.

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Regenerative Healing Factor: Through her cosmic power and Kree blood, she heals faster than an average human.

- Longevity: Due to her enhanced physiology, Danvers' lifespan has been augmented, greatly reducing her aging process if not making her biologically immortal. This allowed her to remain physically the same age since she first became enhanced.

- Cosmic Energy Manipulation: By using this power, all of her costume, her eyes and her hair are surrounded by the cosmic energy that her body generates. This greatly increased Danvers' physical abilities and photon blasts abilities, and gave her the ability to fly at incredible speeds, which is what allowed her to defeat the entire Starforce, defeat, with a single shot of energy, Yon-Rogg, and destroy the ballistic missiles as well as almost all of Ronan's.


*****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****


The character's current statuses below are as follows

*****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****

Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)
Dormmamu
Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
Surtur Prime
Ego The Living Planet
Odin
Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)

Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
Hela
Thanos (Base)
Ronan with the Power Stone
Kurse
Surtur's Fire Dragon
Fenris
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)


Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
Doctor Strange
Vision
Malekith (W/ reality gem)
Hulk
Ghost Rider
Ebony Maw
Scarlet Witch
Destroyer
Hulkbuster Ironman
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
Iron Man
Abilisk
Jotunheim Beast
Kronan
Ancient One
Giant Man
Kaecilius

Top Tier (Street to block level?)
Ronan
Valkyrie
Hogun
Aldrich Killian
Loki
Drax
Heimdall
War Machine
Corvus Glaive
Iron Monger
Whiplash
Quake
Malekith
Sif
Fandral
Volstagg
Korath The Pursuer
Groot
Killgrave
Yondu
Lash
Hive
Frigga
Pepper Potts with Extremis
Mantis
Skurge
Korg
Baron Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive

Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
Black Panther
Captain America
Spider-Man
Gamora
Star-Lord
Vulture
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Luke Cage
Red Skull
Crossbones
Quicksilver
Iron Fist
Jessica Jones
Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Madame Gao
Mr. Hyde
Slingshot
Aida
Raina
Deathlok
The Patriot
Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
Lorelei
Nebula
Miek
Ant Man
Yellow Jacket
Proxima Midnight
Erik Killmonger
Ulysses Klaue

Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
Daredevil
Elektra
Black Widow
Okoye
Rocket Racoon
Hawkeye
Nick Fury
Punisher
Coleen Wing
Batroc the Leaper
Shocker
Kingpin
Nobu
Diamondback
Bakuto
Peggy Carter
Sharon Carter Agent 13
Dum Dum Dugan
Mocking Bird
Maria Hill
Misty Knight
The Punisher
Phil Coulson
Zemo
Jig Saw
M'Baku
Shuri
 
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Comics: Thor wins.
MCU: Captain Marvel wins. And this is an MCU poll, so...yeah.

MCU Carol seems to have her Binary powers (which includes light-speed) already, and at the end of the day, whatever Thor hits her with, she can return with interest. I guess I’d put them both in the Transcendent Tier.
 
This is an insane fight with two characters that are powerful enough to just fly through space ships in order to blow them up. Carol definitely seems to have speed as her advantage (both in flight and how fast she blasts things) and blew up a much bigger ship, while Thor definitely has a better durability feat and Stormbreaker cut through a completed Infinity Gauntlet blast.

This fight will possibly be put in a different context after Endgame though. I saw that Feige has said that Captain Marvel has a weakness, but they didn't show it in her own film because they wanted her to just be unleashed at the end. It will be explored in future films, so maybe Endgame, and it remains to be seen what it is. It could be relevant for this fight, or it could be something that doesn't apply to Thor.
 
I'm comparing them out loud because I'm really flipping back and forth between the two.

Combat Speed -
Captain Marvel by a landslide mostly because of her flight speed but also the speed in which she fires her photon blasts.

Travel Speed - Thor, one thing people seem to forget he has......the Bifrost. I'm sure that's several times faster than lightspeed.

Energy Projection - As far as potency I'll say it's fairly even, although Captain Marvel uses hers much more frequently so I'll give her the advantage.

Strength - Thor, the Nidavellir feat is still the best strength feat in the MCU.

Durability - Thor by a wide margin, it seems Cap uses some type of energy shield when she was battling Ronan's armada but her actual durability leaves something to desired. Thor has only been KO'd by things like Infinity Stones (Power & Reality), Sokovia exploding, and a Neutron Star. Not counting when he was stripped of his godhood by Odin and when he was depowered/weakened by the Grand Master's obedience disk. While Carol without her energy shield was KO'd by Yon-Rogg, who is a Super Soldier level character.

Flight - Captain Marvel hands down, her flight scenes makes Thor's look so elementary. Not to mention she can flight at light speed and quickly change directions while she flies. She has the best flying in the entire MCU imo, her only competition is Iron Man and I think she flies even better than him.

Fighting Skills - Thor by an absolute landslide, he would one shot those Captain America/Drax level Kree soldiers that Carol fought near the end of the film using only his bare hands.

Experience: Thor a.k.a "The 1,500 Year Old Guy", not to mention he's faced a much higher caliber opponents.

Weapons: Thor since he's the only one with a weapon.

Let me know if I'm missing an area of comparison guys, I haven't had any sleep.
 
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I got Thor. I'm sure he has come across someone with speed before so I don't see that being to big of a factor. He has thousands of years of experience.
 
Tough question. I’d want both of them to win in a fight.

But...Carol, I think, would win. She did also defeat the Supreme Intelligence (mind you, I don’t know the comics well enough to know if that is as truly awesome a feat as it was in the film). But then again, Thor has Stormbreaker...
I love them both too much to be fair about this, but I’m voting Carol.

And they both belong in the Transcendent Tier.
 
It’s too soon to say. We haven’t seen the full extent of CM’s powers so for now have to give it to Thor.

Does Carol have super strength? Didn’t really see that displayed in the movie.
 
Thor wins.

Captain Marvel's obviously meant to be extremely powerful but unless we're going to judge by hype/speculation I think it's too soon for this fight. For now, Thor has better feats in almost every category.

Let's break it down:

Strength:

  • Thor's Nidavellir feats are off the charts, plus he's blocked blows from Hulk and casually snapped the chains that were restraining Surtur's dragon (which I've seen calculated as a 300 tonne feat).
  • Carol's missile catching feat was pretty great but other than overpowering Skrulls/Kree that's about all she's got.
Advantage for Thor

Weaponry:
  • Thor has Stormbreaker, a weapon that practically one-shotted Thanos after slicing through an Infinity Gauntlet beam. It could almost certainly hurt Carol.
  • Carol fights unarmed.
Advantage for Thor.

Melee Skill:
  • Thor is a master combatant with 1500 years of experience, skill that let him tear through shield agents whilst depowered, stagger Hulk with precision strikes and compete against incredibly skilled characters like Hela.
  • Captain Marvel was skilled but consistently inferior to Yon Rogg.
Advantage for Thor

Lightning vs Cosmic Energy:
  • Thor has divine lightning that can ragdoll Hulk and Thanos, stunned Hela, leveled Odin's palace, took out multiple Chitauri Leviathans in one blast and which charged the hit that destroyed the Sokovian city.
  • Carol's feat destroying the Kree Spaceships with her photon blast was great but that's by far her best energy feat. She did it very casually though and it's her main power so I'm confident we haven't seen her upper limit.
Draw

Energy Control:
  • Thor can create chain lightning to tear through armies, summon multiple targeted blasts from the sky with only a thought, cloak himself in lightning so that any enemy that comes close takes a hit and even send sustained electrokinetic blasts from his hands that he can grapple and throw enemies with.
  • Carol can use her energy to fire photon blasts and to fly but she doesn't have Thor's level of skill.
Advantage for Thor

Blunt Force Durability feats:

  • Thor's taken Iron Man and Hulk's best hits without a scratch and survived beatings from Thanos and Kurse. He's flown through skyscraper sized spaceships and survived a fall from tens of thousands of feet.
  • Carol's also flown through titanic spaceships and she survived her fall from the sky whilst wearing a power limiter.
Draw

Energy Durability feats:
  • Thor's shrugged off repeated reality stone hits, torture with the power stone, survived the explosion that disintegrated the Sokovian city, survived the explosion that destroyed the Asgardian refugee ship and on Nidavellir he took the full force of a star (which I've seen calculated as 600 megatons. The equivalent of 12 Tsar Bombas, the most powerful nuclear bomb ever made).
  • Carol flew through the exploding Kree ship unharmed which is impressive but not on the same level as Thor's feats.
Advantage for Thor.

Stabbing Durability/Healing Factor feats:
  • Thor almost immediately recovered from stab wounds from Hela and kept fighting. He recovered from his brutal beating from Kurse and fought an Infinity Stone wielder the same day. He recovered from a beating from Thanos/power stone torture and immediately set off for Nidavellir.
  • We know Carol has a Kree healing factor but we don't know how powerful it is.
Advantage for Thor

Combat reflexes:
  • Thor has reaction feats blocking Chitauri gunfire with Mjolnir, parrying Destroyer blasts and reality stone tendrils and (in a deleted AoU scene) dodging Vision's mind stone blast at close range.
  • Carol's hand to hand speed is on par with elite Kree like Yon Rogg and in flight she was dodging shots from the Kree warships.
Draw

Flight Speed:
  • Mjolnir could fly fast enough to exit the atmosphere in seconds and presumably Stormbreaker can too.
  • Carol's also flown from ground level to space in seconds but that's nothing. By the end of her film she can fly faster than light. As you'd expect from a fighter pilot, she's also incredibly agile in the air.
Advantage for Captain Marvel

Overall: If this was a race (and the bifrost wasn't allowed) then Carol wins, no contest. In a fight though, Thor has all the advantages. Greater strength and skill, the durability to tank her best hits and her cosmic energy, lightning to knock her out of the sky and keep her off balance, and a weapon so powerful even Carol couldn't survive a clean hit.

We should have this fight again after Endgame, I imagine it'll be closer then.
 
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It’s too soon to say. We haven’t seen the full extent of CM’s powers so for now have to give it to Thor.

Does Carol have super strength? Didn’t really see that displayed in the movie.
She caught a Kree missile the size of cruise ship and threw it at the other incoming missiles. Yeah, she’s got super strength. ;)

Another thing to note: Thor has to “summon” his more impressive powers - the lightning, the Bifrost to go to light-speed (or however fast that goes). Carol’s a quickdraw with hers. We’ve also seen Thor physically injured at least 4 times in fights. So far, once she ditched her power inhibitor, we have seen Carol take missiles to the face and she has yet to have a scratch on her. I’ve seen no evidence of Thor having any kind of durability advantage.
 
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She caught a Kree missile the size of cruise ship and threw it at the other incoming missiles. Yegah, she’s got super strength. ;)

Another thing to note: Thor has to “summon” his more impressive powers - the lightning, the Bifrost to go to light-speed (or however fast that goes). Carol’s a quickdraw with hers. We’ve also seen Thor physically injured at least 4 times in fights. So far, once she ditched her power inhibitor, we have seen Carol take missiles to the face and she has yet to have a scratch on her. I’ve seen no evidence of Thor having any kind of durability advantage.
What about durability during stormbreaker formation
 
She caught a Kree missile the size of cruise ship and threw it at the other incoming missiles. Yeah, she’s got super strength. ;)

Another thing to note: Thor has to “summon” his more impressive powers - the lightning, the Bifrost to go to light-speed (or however fast that goes). Carol’s a quickdraw with hers. We’ve also seen Thor physically injured at least 4 times in fights. So far, once she ditched her power inhibitor, we have seen Carol take missiles to the face and she has yet to have a scratch on her. I’ve seen no evidence of Thor having any kind of durability advantage.
Thor doesn't have to call lighting everytime in Ragnarok it just did things by itself when he fight on the bridge
 
We’ve also seen Thor physically injured at least 4 times in fights. So far, once she ditched her power inhibitor, we have seen Carol take missiles to the face and she has yet to have a scratch on her. I’ve seen no evidence of Thor having any kind of durability advantage.

Are we watching the same films?

Thor can match both of Carol's best durability feats (falling from the sky, flying through a spaceship) but on top of that the guy's taken hits from the most powerful characters in the MCU, the reality stone, the power stone, an explosion that disintegrated a city and the full force of a star.

She might be as durable as him but she certainly hasn't got the feats to prove it yet.

Another thing to note: Thor has to “summon” his more impressive powers - the lightning, the Bifrost to go to light-speed (or however fast that goes). Carol’s a quickdraw with hers.

Since Ragnarok, Thor's been able to summon his lightning with a thought. He's just as quick as Carol but with far more control over it (lightning cloak, chain lightning to tear through armies, multiple targeted thunderbolts from the sky at once, even a sustained electrokinetic blast he can grapple and throw enemies with). Anyway Thor's most powerful attack is Stormbreaker, and presumably he'll start with it in his hands rather than needing to summon it.
 
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I would have to give this to Thor but it’s an unfair comparison IMO as we have seen much more from Thor in the MCU.
 
I'm 1000 percent sure that after endgame the "Thor is the most powerful people" are gonna be really depressed.
 
Haven't seen CM so it's kind of hard and unfair to pick a side.
Having said that i doubt that CM doesn't have, in her first film, feats that equal those of Thor...

Thor seriously leveled up in Ragnarok and IW. While he was already formidable in Ragnarok, IW boosted his level even further with Stormbreaker...
 
Are we watching the same films?

Thor can match both of Carol's best durability feats (falling from the sky, flying through a spaceship) but on top of that the guy's taken hits from the most powerful characters in the MCU, the reality stone, the power stone, an explosion that disintegrated a city and the full force of a star.

She might be as durable as him but she certainly hasn't got the feats to prove it yet.



Since Ragnarok, Thor's been able to summon his lightning with a thought. He's just as quick as Carol but with far more control over it (lightning cloak, chain lightning to tear through armies, multiple targeted thunderbolts from the sky at once, even a sustained electrokinetic blast he can grapple and throw enemies with). Anyway Thor's most powerful attack is Stormbreaker, and presumably he'll start with it in his hands rather than needing to summon it.
Yeah, I don’t think we’ve watched the same films as I’ve seen Thor get injured plenty, and I’ve NEVER seen him be a quick draw with his lightning, not even in Ragnarok. Even in the end battle, he still had to “call” the lightning before he was able to use it against all those guys. He just no longer needed a weapon to do so.

And despite having her full powers for all of 5 minutes at the end of her film, Carol seemed to have perfect control over them once she discovered them. From full-on mass blasts to precision shots. She also showed more flight maneuverability in that one scene than I’ve seen from Thor in like 6 films.

I also don’t recall ever seeing him lift anything as big as that missile.
 
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Yeah, I don’t think we’ve watched the same films as I’ve seen Thor get injured plenty.

So your argument is that Thor's been injured multiple times and Carol (in the 5 minutes of screen time once she unlocks her full power) has never been injured?

That's a very poor measure of which one's more durable. MCU Aunt May, Cassie Lang and Howard the Duck have never been injured, it doesn't mean anything.

It makes a lot more sense to consider the kind of hits a character has withstood and by that measure Thor's ahead by a wide margin.

They've both fallen from thousands of feet and flown through spaceships unscathed.

However, Thor has also:
  • taken hits from Iron Man, Loki, Malekith with the reality stone, Ultron, Surtur, Surtur's dragon and Hulk with barely a scratch
  • survived fights with power stone Thanos, Kurse and Hela
  • survived the explosion that disintegrated Sokovia
  • Most importantly, Thor survived the full force of a star (600 megatons/12 Tsar Bombas) and held open a titanic mechanism for about a minute:
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After that, it's hard to believe Carol's photon blasts are going to hurt him.

Even in the end battle, he still had to “call” the lightning before he was able to use it against all those guys. He just no longer needed a weapon to do so.

The guy can charge himself with lightning in an instant (almost exactly like Carol and her cosmic energy)
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From there, his lightning cloak can damage anything that gets close:
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He has insane area of effect attacks:
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And as for how quickly he can hit multiple targets:
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He has an incredible level of control over it that we haven't seen from Carol yet:
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I also don’t recall ever seeing him lift anything as big as that missile.

The rings of Nidavellir were a lot bigger than that missile and Thor was able to pull hard enough to turn them:
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And strength isn't just about lifting heavy things. Thor's also caught hits from the Hulk, held a dragon's jaws open, broke through 7 of Surtur's chains with no leverage, casually crushed/torn open Iron Man armour etc.

She also showed more flight maneuverability in that one scene than I’ve seen from Thor in like 6 films.

No argument here, she's faster and more agile than Thor when it comes to flying. This is a fight though, not a race.
 
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I'm 1000 percent sure that after endgame the "Thor is the most powerful people" are gonna be really depressed.

Not me, I'm at peace with the prospect even Ali couldn't stay on top forever. :cwink:
She caught a Kree missile the size of cruise ship and threw it at the other incoming missiles. Yeah, she’s got super strength. ;)

Clearly, not to mention how she was sending people flying with hits and kicks.

She definitely has super strength.

We’ve also seen Thor physically injured at least 4 times in fights. So far, once she ditched her power inhibitor, we have seen Carol take missiles to the face and she has yet to have a scratch on her. I’ve seen no evidence of Thor having any kind of durability advantage.

Marvel definitely has some sort of energy shield in her binary form, without it she's no more durable than an ordinary Kree soldier. Carol was KO'd by Yon Rogg, who is much much MUCH weaker than anything that has ever caused Thor trouble
 
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Not me, I'm at peace with the prospect even Ali couldn't stay on top forever. :cwink:

Right now Thor's the Superman of the MCU but I actually think it would make sense for Marvel to handle it the same way they do in the comics where there is no Superman style hero who's clearly more powerful than the rest. Instead, there's Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Sentry, Hyperion, Hercules etc who are all immeasurably powerful and are generally portrayed as able to challenge each other.

Likewise, in the MCU I expect Thor, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch will keep gaining epic feats and being portrayed as incredibly powerful, each with their own advantages but able to challenge each other.

Marvel definitely has some sort of energy shield in her binary form, without it she's no more durable than an ordinary Kree soldier.
I haven't heard that before. Are you sure?

Carol was KO'd by Yon Rogg, who is much much MUCH weaker than anything that has ever caused Thor trouble

I mean, credit where it's due, she had the power limiter on when that happened. She also survived a fall from thousands of feet with barely a scratch whilst wearing the power limiter.

Flying through the Kree warship is by far her best durability feat once she's fully powered up but if your binary energy shield theory's correct then that changes things.
 
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So your argument is that Thor's been injured multiple times and Carol (in the 5 minutes of screen time once she unlocks her full power) has never been injured?

That's a very poor measure of which one's more durable. MCU Aunt May, Cassie Lang and Howard the Duck have never been injured, it doesn't mean anything.

It makes a lot more sense to consider the kind of hits a character has withstood and by that measure Thor's ahead by a wide margin.

They've both fallen from thousands of feet and flown through spaceships unscathed.

However, Thor has also:
  • taken hits from Iron Man, Loki, Malekith with the reality stone, Ultron, Surtur, Surtur's dragon and Hulk with barely a scratch
  • survived fights with power stone Thanos, Kurse and Hela
  • survived the explosion that disintegrated Sokovia
  • Most importantly, Thor survived the full force of a star (600 megatons/12 Tsar Bombas) and held open a titanic mechanism for about a minute:
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After that, it's hard to believe Carol's photon blasts are going to hurt him.



The guy can charge himself with lightning in an instant (almost exactly like Carol and her cosmic energy)
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From there, his lightning cloak can damage anything that gets close:
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He has insane area of effect attacks:
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And as for how quickly he can hit multiple targets:
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He has an incredible level of control over it that we haven't seen from Carol yet:
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The rings of Nidavellir were a lot bigger than that missile and Thor was able to pull hard enough to turn them:
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And strength isn't just about lifting heavy things. Thor's also caught hits from the Hulk, held a dragon's jaws open, broke through 7 of Surtur's chains with no leverage, casually crushed/torn open Iron Man armour etc.



No argument here, she's faster and more agile than Thor when it comes to flying. This is a fight though, not a race.
Yeah, and flight’s used in battle just like any other power.

And the whole “we haven’t seen enough from her” goes both ways. Yeah, we’ve seen more feats from Thor because he’s been around longer, but we’ve also seen more weaknesses - more defeats, more injuries. I can only go off what I’ve seen from Carol, and based on what I saw in that last act, with the power inhibitor gone, there’s little doubt in my mind she could handle anything he throws at her. In fact, the nature of her power suggests anything he throws at her will only make her stronger. AND she appears faster and more agile in battle AND in flight. Thor seems to come from the Superman/flying brick school of battle - block, hit, block, hit, smash - Carol had some serious technique/choreography going on. Just because she didn’t use it after she was freed of her power inhibitor doesn’t mean it’s gone.
 
And the whole “we haven’t seen enough from her” goes both ways. Yeah, we’ve seen more feats from Thor because he’s been around longer, but we’ve also seen more weaknesses - more defeats, more injuries.

Yes, but the defeats and injuries were all from threats a level above what we've seen Carol endure. She hasn't taken hits from anyone more powerful than Kree soldiers so we can't just assume she'd tank hits from Hulk, Kurse, Thanos etc as well as Thor did. We can't assume Carol could survive the full force of a star or multiple stab wounds from Hela etc.

I can only go off what I’ve seen from Carol, and based on what I saw in that last act, with the power inhibitor gone, there’s little doubt in my mind she could handle anything he throws at her. In fact, the nature of her power suggests anything he throws at her will only make her stronger.

Funny, I feel the exact same way about Thor handling Carol's attacks. The guy's tanked the full force of a star, an explosion that disintegrated a city and power gem torture to the face. Based on her current feats, do you really think Carol's energy blasts are more powerful?

He's taken hits from Hulk without a scratch, what makes you think Carol hits harder?

On the other hand, Carol's got a couple of good durability feats but not enough to prove she can "handle anything Thor throws at her". You're just speculating. She doesn't have feats taking hits from anyone on Thor's level, we can only speculate on whether or not she could absorb his lightning and it would be extremely surprising if she could tank a weapon that effectively one shotted Thanos.

Yeah, and flight’s used in battle just like any other power.

Sure, it's her main advantage. She can use her flight speed to keep her distance and try to avoid his lightning/Stormbreaker. If she's not going to leave the battlefield then I can't see her lasting forever without getting hit though. Anyway, I don't think she'd play it safe and avoid close range combat.

AND she appears faster and more agile in battle AND in flight.
In flight? Sure.
In battle? I'd say their reflexes are about even:
  • Thor has reaction feats blocking Chitauri gunfire with Mjolnir, parrying Destroyer blasts, dodging reality stone tendrils and (in a deleted AoU scene) dodging Vision's mind stone blast at close range.
  • Carol's hand to hand speed is on par with elite Kree like Yon Rogg and in flight she was dodging shots from the Kree warships.
Thor seems to come from the Superman/flying brick school of battle - block, hit, block, hit, smash - Carol had some serious technique/choreography going on. Just because she didn’t use it after she was freed of her power inhibitor doesn’t mean it’s gone.

I'm not denying Captain Marvel has skill but she was consistently outclassed by Yon Rogg in hand to hand and she's shown no proficiency with weapons.

Thor is a master combatant with 1500 years of experience. He's shown melee skill that let him tear through shield agents whilst depowered/unarmed, outclass Hulk with dodges and precision strikes and that let him compete against incredibly skilled characters like Hela. He's also shown incredible control over his lightning.
 
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Sure. And she can use it to keep her distance and try to avoid his lightning/Stormbreaker. I can't see her managing that forever though, and I don't think she'd play it that safe anyway.



Yes, but the defeats and injuries were all from threats a level above what we've seen Carol endure. She hasn't taken hits from anyone more powerful than Kree soldiers so we can't just assume she'd tank hits from Hulk, Kurse, Thanos etc as well as Thor did. We can't assume Carol could survive the full force of a star or multiple stab wounds from Hela etc.



Funny, I feel the exact same way about Thor handling Carol's attacks. The guy's tanked the full force of a star, an explosion that disintegrated a city and power gem torture to the face. Based on her current feats, do you really think Carol's energy blasts are more powerful?
Uh, yeah. We've been shown no limit to their power yet, and she has yet to even break a sweat. Her blasting those ships looked even more effortless to her than Thor destroying the Outrider ships with Stormbreaker. And the whole basis of her power is that she absorbs whatever energy she's hit with and fires it back with interest. So if Thor hits her with something powerful, it might knock her off her feet for a sec (like those Kree warships did), but then she returns it with an even more powerful blast. So there's no version of this where Thor has more powerful blasts than her.

He's taken hits from Hulk without a scratch, what makes you think Carol hits harder?
Hulk knocked him out cold. And I've never seen a feat of strength from Thor OR Hulk that matched that cruise-ship sized missile flying at full power towards her, and her catching and tossing it back. I've seen Hulk do similar things with SMALLER objects (quinjets, planes), but nothing on that scale.

On the other hand, Carol's got a couple of good durability feats but not enough to prove she can "handle anything Thor throws at her". You're just speculating. She doesn't have feats taking hits from anyone on Thor's level, we can only speculate on whether or not she could absorb his lightning and it would be extremely surprising if she could tank a weapon that effectively one shotted Thanos.
This is ALL just speculation, based on what we've seen. Second, she doesn't have to tank Thor's weapon. Just him. He's the one wielding it, afterall. Speed and agility play a part too, and she's got that on him in spades, imo.

In flight? Sure.
In battle? I'd say their reflexes are about even:
  • Thor has reaction feats blocking Chitauri gunfire with Mjolnir, parrying Destroyer blasts and reality stone tendrils and (in a deleted AoU scene) dodging Vision's mind stone blast at close range.
  • Carol's hand to hand speed is on par with elite Kree like Yon Rogg and in flight she was dodging shots from the Kree warships.


I'm not denying Captain Marvel has some skill but she was consistently outclassed by Yon Rogg in hand to hand and she's shown no proficiency with weapons.

Thor is a master combatant with 1500 years of experience. He's shown hand to hand skill that let him tear through shield agents whilst depowered, outclass Hulk with dodges and precision strikes and compete against incredibly skilled characters like Hela. He's also shown incredible control over his lightning.
None of those blocks of Thor's you presented were portrayed as feats of superspeed at all. And nothing I've seen from him suggests "master combatant." He triumphs because of his strength and powers. His technique has never appeared to be anything special. And again, the lightning should not affect Carol at all, other than charging her up.
 
Uh, yeah. We've been shown no limit to their power yet, and she has yet to even break a sweat. Her blasting those ships looked even more effortless to her than Thor destroying the Outrider ships with Stormbreaker. And the whole basis of her power is that she absorbs whatever energy she's hit with and fires it back with interest. So if Thor hits her with something powerful, it might knock her off her feet for a sec (like those Kree warships did), but then she returns it with an even more powerful blast. So there's no version of this where Thor has more powerful blasts than her.


Who said Thor has more powerful blasts, I said they were even with Carol having the advantage in speed and frequent usage.


Hulk knocked him out cold. And I've never seen a feat of strength from Thor OR Hulk that matched that cruise-ship sized missile flying at full power towards her, and her catching and tossing it back. I've seen Hulk do similar things with SMALLER objects (quinjets, planes), but nothing on that scale.

Wow almost two years later people still bring this up without properly using context? So are we going to blatantly ignore the fact that Thor was weakened to the point of barely being able to move by the obedience disk being used to throw the battle or what? Taiki specifically stated that the obedience disk being activated is a depowering device otherwise Thor wouldn't have been able to be defeated.

Also are we going to ignore the Nidavellir space forge strength feat which is the biggest strength feat in the MCU as well?

What's really going on here?
 
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