MCU: Phase II - Part 1

[KangConquers]

I'd rather just have New Avengers. Be interesting to see a film with 2 teams; the Mighty Avengers and New Avengers.

How about we do good Avengers stories before we go for Bendis era garbage.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Keep. Bendis. Awayyyy

 

[DrCosmic]

Oh, gosh, it's not that serious. Bendis overdid some things. He didn't destroy all that was good and wholesome, and if somehow he did, apparently that's a successful strategy.

 

[roach]

How about we do good Avengers stories before we go for Bendis era garbage.

this times a billion

 

[Doc Ock]

Oh, gosh, it's not that serious. Bendis overdid some things. He didn't destroy all that was good and wholesome, and if somehow he did, apparently that's a successful strategy.

I like Bendis on USM but I haven't actually read any of his Avengers stuff yet...

 

[KangConquers]

I like Bendis on USM but I haven't actually read any of his Avengers stuff yet...

Love (early) USM, and love his Daredevil. But his Avengers was garbage.

 

[KangConquers]

Oh, gosh, it's not that serious. Bendis overdid some things. He didn't destroy all that was good and wholesome, and if somehow he did, apparently that's a successful strategy.

He touched my childhood inappropriately, and told me to keep it between him, myself, and Odin, or my parents would be angry.

 

[DrCosmic]

Lol... It's hard not to think you're overreacting. How can a modern comic affect memories of older comics... I mean, outside of y'know... retconning.

 

[KangConquers]

Lol... It's hard not to think you're overreacting. How can a modern comic affect memories of older comics... I mean, outside of y'know... retconning.

It'd be fine if Bendis could write the characters properly, and wrote arcs that logically flowed from one to the next instead of one giant shock fest.

How many times did he change who Sentry was? He was a drug addict? Then he was Galactus? Then he was the God of Israel? Yeah...

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

He touched my childhood inappropriately, and told me to keep it between him, myself, and Odin, or my parents would be angry.

I hate these analogies.

 

[KangConquers]

I hate these analogies.

I'm really shocked any of you could take anything that audacious seriously.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Meh, it happens. I just dislike the phrase.

Anyway, the only thing I liked from Bendis was early Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Doc Ock]

Love (early) USM, and love his Daredevil. But his Avengers was garbage.

I had completely forgotten he wrote Daredevil, but I remember hearing alot of praise about Bendis when it came to USM and Age of M.

 

[KangConquers]

I had completely forgotten he wrote Daredevil, but I remember hearing alot of praise about Bendis when it came to USM and Age of M.

He's basically good at street level characters and single character stories. He can juggle one or two eggs max before he drops them all on the floor and makes a big mess.

 

[Hawkingbird]

How about we do good Avengers stories before we go for Bendis era garbage.

I will forever think Bendis's run up to Dark Avengers as brilliant

 

[KangConquers]

I will forever think Bendis's run up to Dark Avengers as brilliant

Okay, how about a more objective reason.

One Avengers team is hard enough. Balancing two on film would be a recipe for disaster.

Though I must say, I'm not sure why people want to see Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc as Avengers, which means replacing actual Avengers.

If you take the New Avengers team and call it Heroes For Hire, then you have two franchises, with the same characters on the NA Team.

 

[Dark Raven]

Okay, how about a more objective reason.

One Avengers team is hard enough. Balancing two on film would be a recipe for disaster.

Though I must say, I'm not sure why people want to see Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc as Avengers, which means replacing actual Avengers.

If you take the New Avengers team and call it Heroes For Hire, then you have two franchises, with the same characters on the NA Team.

Or have a Marvel Knights movie. That way they can bring in characters like Daredevil (whom they newly reacquired) and Punisher. It would be a way to utilise them rather than having them sit around collecting dust.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think anything from the Bendis era should be used. All his stories suffer from tons of build-up to loud splash pages and a rushed conclusion. He can't pace an epic storyline, though some of those stories had a good base/concept behind them. He just rushed the story and all these "events" have no lasting consequences because another huge event makes all those arcs meaningless/end.

Let's just follow KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid. Don't make the MCU needlessly complicated when we can use simpler stories that resonate better and give us ground to build off of. Maybe one of these stories could be done later on in its own phase when the MCU has more behind it, but this early on...we don't need 50 Avengers teams or overtly complex storylines that go nowhere.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Agreed. Secret Invasion is a prime example of that. It just completely fell apart in the last two issues. What looked to be a suspenseful tale about now knowing who you can and can't trust instead devolved into a gang brawl in Central Park. Really, Bendis? That's the conclusion you came up with? All the heroes pile up in Central Park, they're met by an army of Super-Skrulls led by the Skrull Queen, and the heroes win because they're just awesomer?

The Skrulls have a fleet in orbit. Why didn't they just nuke the site from orbit? They would've killed all the heroes and been done with it. Sure, a good chunk of North America would've been ruined, but they still would've had the rest of the planet. And as a civilization that advanced, they probably had the technology to clean up any fallout from their weapons.

Moreover, how did the heroes even win that fight? They had a Super-Skrull GALACTUS, for God's sake! And Stature of all people beat him? There's more to Galactus then just being big, Bendis, you flipping moron. Skrull Galactus alone should've been able to obliterate all the heroes, even if one assumes the Super-Skrull version is weaker than the real one. Hell, if they can mix and match powers then why didn't they give all their Super-Skrulls the powers of the most powerful heroes? Why weren't they all Thor/Hulk/Wolverine Super-Skrulls with the strength, invulnerability, and weather control powers of Thor and the Hulk and the healing factor of Wolverine? An army of them should've been able to waste the heroes easy.

Stupid conclusion all around. Simply stupid.

 

[KangConquers]

Yes. I feel like if you base Avengers on pre-bendis standards, you can still use elements of Bendis's run in other franchises.

Why arbitrarily destroy the Avengers franchise just to attach it to the Marvel Knights characters? You could have Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, etc fight together under so many other banners, and have them fight the Hood and his criminal syndicate without commandeering the Avengers franchise. It could be Marvel Knights, Heroes For Hire, Defenders.

The fact is, Marvel doesn't have the most marketable members of the New Avengers team. Without Spider-Man, Wolverine and the Thing, it's sort of a C-list street level franchise. And you don't replace the classics (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk) with Luke Cage and co.

 

[DrCosmic]

It'd be fine if Bendis could write the characters properly, and wrote arcs that logically flowed from one to the next instead of one giant shock fest.

How many times did he change who Sentry was? He was a drug addict? Then he was Galactus? Then he was the God of Israel? Yeah...

Well... yeah, his originals were erratic (Ronin's been four actual separate people), but event-based storytelling and different takes on the characters isn't necessarily a quality issue... it's just not what old schoolers expect.

Now I can say this all day, but I feel the same way about the modern X-Men from 2000 on , particularly that my fave Cyclops has been turned into something completely contrary to his core, and even Wolverine is the responsible leader now. So I feel where you're coming from... but I can't say the X-Men have been destroyed... they just aren't "my" X-Men anymore.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes. I feel like if you base Avengers on pre-bendis standards, you can still use elements of Bendis's run in other franchises.

Why arbitrarily destroy the Avengers franchise just to attach it to the Marvel Knights characters? You could have Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, etc fight together under so many other banners, and have them fight the Hood and his criminal syndicate without commandeering the Avengers franchise. It could be Marvel Knights, Heroes For Hire, Defenders.

The fact is, Marvel doesn't have the most marketable members of the New Avengers team. Without Spider-Man, Wolverine and the Thing, it's sort of a C-list street level franchise. And you don't replace the classics (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk) with Luke Cage and co.

Yeah, plus it would add variety to the Marvel Universe. Part of what made the comic universe cool was having these different teams and different comic books you could read. They weren't all just Avengers or FF or X-Men. You got the Defenders, Heroes for Hire, Marvel Team Up etc. I would like to genuinely see a Defenders movie or a Heroes for Hire movie which doesn't have to be related to the Avengers. I want to see a different group of heroes taking on a bunch of villains in completely different circumstances to the familiar Avengers ground.

 

[KangConquers]

Well... yeah, his originals were erratic (Ronin's been four actual separate people), but event-based storytelling and different takes on the characters isn't necessarily a quality issue... it's just not what old schoolers expect.

Now I can say this all day, but I feel the same way about the modern X-Men from 2000 on , particularly that my fave Cyclops has been turned into something completely contrary to his core, and even Wolverine is the responsible leader now. So I feel where you're coming from... but I can't say the X-Men have been destroyed... they just aren't "my" X-Men anymore.

I don't even hate the new Avengers characters (well...Spider-Woman). I just hate Bendis's writing.

I would LOVE to see Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc in films. I just don't see why they need to be Avengers films.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I always think Luke Cage is written brilliantly by Bendis

 

[KangConquers]

I always think Luke Cage is written brilliantly by Bendis