MCU: Phase II - Part 1

[Dark Raven]

I will have to disagree... Yes the film might not make a billion or even $500 million for the first film, but if it makes $400 million on a budget from $70 - $140 million... I would say that's a success.

Looking at the Bourne, Oceans Eleven series, Mission Impossible series... Hell even Fast Five, they all operated under a Budget of $150 million and all have been very successful.

Box office success must be viewed relative to its budget, and the nature of a Black Widow/Hawkeye film will basically be a spy film.... On steroids....

The premise has to be very solid, but will have to be fun and humorous, something that audiences really responded to with Avengers, Fast Five and MI: Ghost Protocol, all three being team based movies, that generated more revenue in its respective Film Franchises.

The film just has to use the right locations, keep the action realistic, no need to use CGI on characters, powers and fight scenes and give Hawkeye and Black Widow interesting supporting players, bring Clay Quatermain, Task Master and Mockingbird, maybe even Winter Soldier (a Familiar Face for audiences along with the SHIELD usual members)

The movie only needs about two really big action sequences and one big car chase with the rest of film used for them to discover what ever mystery they need to solve.

Well, I personally wouldn't mind if someone had a spy script ready and waiting (for a different film) and then shoe-horned Hawkeye or Black Widow into it and adapted it to fit the MCU. It certainly doesn't have to do Avengers numbers. The trouble is that people trying to write a Black Widow or Hawkeye solo flick would probably come at it as a comic book movie, instead of just thinking how to make a spy flick first, and then adding the comic elements back in (which should really just be a few references to the existing MCU).

Screenwriters just need to think of something like the Bourne Legacy, but then changing his name to Clint Barton.

 

[Edguy]

We got that action film earlier this year. Too bad it didn't feature Natasha as well.

 

[Victarion]

So does the Leader exist in the MCU...or did the DVD release of TIH have that quick shot alluding to the Leader removed?

Hawk-Eye and Black Widow were my favorites from The Avengers, so a film focusing on them would be great.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Leader is still in mcu.

 

[DrCosmic]

We got that action film earlier this year. Too bad it didn't feature Natasha as well.

I guess that's the problem, isn't it? We already have a lot of movies just like The Black Widow/Hawekeye film. In fact, my idea for a Black Widow movie basically looks like Angelina Jolie's Salt, just with red hair, wrist tazers and a romantic angle with the male Russian agent. Seeing Renner tear it up as another special agent except this time with a bow instead of amnesia seems a bit... redundant.

 

[M-2]

I guess that's the problem, isn't it? We already have a lot of movies just like The Black Widow/Hawekeye film. In fact, my idea for a Black Widow movie basically looks like Angelina Jolie's Salt, just with red hair, wrist tazers and a romantic angle with the male Russian agent. Seeing Renner tear it up as another special agent except this time with a bow instead of amnesia seems a bit... redundant.

You have a point... but i still think it could work... And Renner didnt have amnesia in Bourne...

Bu anyways this is a Fan Made Black Widow Trailer, its not perfect but its certainly works as a "proof of concept" type thing! I came across it after Avengers released, i think its pretty cool, Check it out:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhHsQn8ImQ[/YT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhHsQn8ImQ

 

[Chewy]

Stan Lee again mentions the same three movies that we keep hearing about (Dr Strange, Black Panther, Inhumans)

http://www.scaddistrict.com/blog/2012/11/02/stan-lee-qa/

Q: Any new super hero’s that are going to be made into movies that are going to come out in the near future?

Lee: “Oh they are all being made into movies! I can tell you there will definitely be a Dr. Strange movie! They are working on Antman, which requires really small cameras! Black Panther is being developed, one of my favorites…the Inhumans…All the hero’s will eventually be made into movies.”

 

[M-2]

Stan Lee again mentions the same three movies that we keep hearing about (Dr Strange, Black Panther, Inhumans)

http://www.scaddistrict.com/blog/2012/11/02/stan-lee-qa/

Why couldnt he mention Ms Marvel!!

 

[Dr Tactics]

I guess that's the problem, isn't it? We already have a lot of movies just like The Black Widow/Hawekeye film. In fact, my idea for a Black Widow movie basically looks like Angelina Jolie's Salt, just with red hair, wrist tazers and a romantic angle with the male Russian agent. Seeing Renner tear it up as another special agent except this time with a bow instead of amnesia seems a bit... redundant.

I don't want her with a male russian agent.. I'd like her to cozy up to Matt Murdock.. Like the old days. It can happen now.

 

[DrCosmic]

^I think if she's going to have her own movie, it should be about her backstory, including Red Guardian and not her being a female supporting cast for every single man in the Marvel Universe like she's usually used.

You have a point... but i still think it could work... And Renner didnt have amnesia in Bourne...

Bu anyways this is a Fan Made Black Widow Trailer, its not perfect but its certainly works as a "proof of concept" type thing! I came across it after Avengers released, i think its pretty cool, Check it out:

Interesting. I kinda like it. Makes me wanna make my own.

 

[KangConquers]

Stan Lee again mentions the same three movies that we keep hearing about (Dr Strange, Black Panther, Inhumans)

http://www.scaddistrict.com/blog/2012/11/02/stan-lee-qa/

At least two of them are locks for phase 3. I think all of the Phase 3 talk of Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Iron Fist. Daredevil etc will ultimately not come to fruition. We'll see the same two solo character that Feige has been name dropping for years: Black Panther and Doctor Strange.

 

[Son of Coul]

Rightfully so, I think the two characters I'd like to see on the big screen most (that haven't previously been) are Panther and Strange.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Desperately want Panther. I'd love to see Strange but there's other characters I'd like to see before him.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Rightfully so, I think the two characters I'd like to see on the big screen most (that haven't previously been) are Panther and Strange.

I agree with Strange and to some point with Panther.

 

[DrCosmic]

Desperately want Panther. I'd love to see Strange but there's other characters I'd like to see before him.

Indeed. Strange is okay, not my cup of tea at all. Much rather see Ms. Marvel...

 

[Xeno]

Marvel needs to get both Doctor Strange and the Black Panther established as part of widening the scope of the film universe. The Inhumans could be a major part of Cosmic Marvel, especially if GotG takes off. Those films should be priorities for phase 3, IMO. More secondary characters don't need films of their own since they can be brought in as part of other franchises (specifically thinking of Ms. Marvel).

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Strange would be appealing to all those magic and Harry Potter fans. The only thing is that he is normally older than the types of characters in these franchises. I hope they don't make him significantly younger.

 

[KangConquers]

Indeed. Strange is okay, not my cup of tea at all. Much rather see Ms. Marvel...

Believe me, we know.

 

[cherokeesam]

I think Strange would be appealing to all those magic and Harry Potter fans. The only thing is that he is normally older than the types of characters in these franchises. I hope they don't make him significantly younger.

Dunno about that....Dr. Strange definitely comes from an entirely different school of magic than Hogwarts style. Strange was created to veer more towards horror than fantasy; he was conceived from a deep love of Lovecraftian mythos and Hammer horror films. I certainly hope the MCU Dr. Strange follows that model.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Dunno about that....Dr. Strange definitely comes from an entirely different school of magic than Hogwarts style. Strange was created to veer more towards horror than fantasy; he was conceived from a deep love of Lovecraftian mythos and Hammer horror films. I certainly hope the MCU Dr. Strange follows that model.

This!!
Heavy Lovecraftian influence.

 

[KangConquers]

Dunno about that....Dr. Strange definitely comes from an entirely different school of magic than Hogwarts style. Strange was created to veer more towards horror than fantasy; he was conceived from a deep love of Lovecraftian mythos and Hammer horror films. I certainly hope the MCU Dr. Strange follows that model.

Yeah. There's nothing cute or tongue in cheek about the world of Doctor Strange, and the scale is much greater. Most characters in a Doctor Strange movie have more power than the entire cast of Harry Potter combined. Doctor Strange would be a reality altering and dimensional shattering supernatural thriller.

As for this new set of franchises, they always seemed obvious to me. For the past two years, Feige has sort of been pushing Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans, Doctor Strange and Black Panther as the "second five" to phase 1's first five of Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap and Avengers. The difference is now that Marvel has to balance sequels, so instead of the "second five" all showing up in phase 2, they'll be spread over phase 2 and 3.

 

[KangConquers]

I guess that's the problem, isn't it? We already have a lot of movies just like The Black Widow/Hawekeye film. In fact, my idea for a Black Widow movie basically looks like Angelina Jolie's Salt, just with red hair, wrist tazers and a romantic angle with the male Russian agent. Seeing Renner tear it up as another special agent except this time with a bow instead of amnesia seems a bit... redundant.

That's the reason a lot of the Marvel characters who are more "street level" less sci/fi fantasy bdon't work on the big screen. Black Widow is sort of an archetype, based on films etc. from the era she was created. Same for Nick Fury, Punisher, Shang Chi, and Luke Cage (with the exception of being bullet proof.)

Characters like that aren't nearly as singular as characters like Spider-Man, Captain America and The Hulk. They maybe cool in comics, but when you stick a character like the Punisher or Black Widow up on the big screen, there's a kind of "Been there, done that" element.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah. There's nothing cute or tongue in cheek about the world of Doctor Strange, and the scale is much greater. Most characters in a Doctor Strange movie have more power than the entire cast of Harry Potter combined. Doctor Strange would be a reality altering and dimensional shattering supernatural thriller.

As for this new set of franchises, they always seemed obvious to me. For the past two years, Feige has sort of been pushing Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans, Doctor Strange and Black Panther as the "second five" to phase 1's first five of Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap and Avengers. The difference is now that Marvel has to balance sequels, so instead of the "second five" all showing up in phase 2, they'll be spread over phase 2 and 3.

Except that where are they showing up in Phase 2 very much apart from GotG. Is Strange definitely cameoing in Thor?

 

[KangConquers]

Except that where are they showing up in Phase 2 very much apart from GotG. Is Strange definitely cameoing in Thor?

Ant-Man is still officially part of Phase II I guess, even if he's the last movie? I could see the argument that phase 2 is 2013-2015.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't want her with a male russian agent.. I'd like her to cozy up to Matt Murdock.. Like the old days. It can happen now.

Why do you want to kill Natasha off? What has movie Black Widow done to offend you?