Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[psylockolussus]

I don't think so. Just because there's a multiverse in the MCU, it doesn't mean it absorbs the previous Marvel film adaptations.

 

[ADollarADay]

I don't think so. Just because there's a multiverse in the MCU, it doesn't mean it absorbs the previous Marvel film adaptations.

Agree to disagree. IMO it's pretty clear that it does, actually. Not just Marvel films, but every piece of media. You either think that the ending clearly indicates that with all the branching and everything else in the timeline, or it indicates none of it.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Hmmmm....

Nick Fury --- Valentina Allegra de Fontaine
Captain America --- US Agent
Hulk --- Abomination
Black Widow (Natasha) --- Black Widow (Yelena)
Iron Man --- ???
Thor --- ???
Hawkeye --- ???

Iron Man will probably be Crimson Dynamo
Hawkeye either trickshot or bullseye

 

[Detective Conan]

The Fantastic 4, once introduced, are going to be the centerpiece of the MCU going forward. I think the 4 will be key to resolving the multiverse problem, or least stabilizing it. Given the fact the 4 regularly deal with high sci-fi stuff like time travel and the multiverse(Council of Reed Richards anyone) that this phase will be focusing on, it’s no accident they’re debuting in phase 4 that will heavily be about that stuff.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I didn't think it was possible but phase 4 is looking very GOAT like

Once the F4 and X-Men are introduced I might become a full on MCU shill

 

[psylockolussus]

Agree to disagree. IMO it's pretty clear that it does, actually. Not just Marvel films, but every piece of media. You either think that the ending clearly indicates that with all the branching and everything else in the timeline, or it indicates none of it.

Are we okay going to see Jennifer Garner as Elektra and Ben Affleck as Daredevil in the MCU? Okay maybe how about the 3 actors that played The Punisher in the movies?

I will believe that when I see it. But fornow,what you are saying is nothing more than a speculation.

 

[Dark Raven]

There are people who want to see Frank Castle in Armor Wars. I don't know if that character fits.

I can't see how he fits at all. He's not an armoured baddie and he's not going to be standing in the place of Steve Rogers as the Captain who was trying to stop Iron Man from being a vigilante and taking down all these armoured foes. He would feel shoehorned in.

 

[ADollarADay]

Are we okay going to see Jennifer Garner as Elektra and Ben Affleck as Daredevil in the MCU? Okay maybe how about the 3 actors that played The Punisher in the movies?

I will believe that when I see it. But fornow,what you are saying is nothing more than a speculation.

Loki spoilers just in case.

Spoiler

It's all speculation, but yes all those are part of the multiverse. They are not part of the sacred timeline, but they are all part of the Multiverse. They are all variants like there were a lot of Loki variants in the show and Kang mentioned infinite amount of variants of himself as well. I thought the show was very clear on that.

So yes, those are all part of the larger multiverse now. And Marvel also can't pick and choose to fit a narrative. If they are going to have multiple Peter Parkers show up in NWH then yeah, all other movies are part of this multiverse as well.

 

[psylockolussus]

Loki spoilers just in case.

Spoiler

It's all speculation, but yes all those are part of the multiverse. They are not part of the sacred timeline, but they are all part of the Multiverse. They are all variants like there were a lot of Loki variants in the show and Kang mentioned infinite amount of variants of himself as well. I thought the show was very clear on that.

So yes, those are all part of the larger multiverse now. And Marvel also can't pick and choose to fit a narrative. If they are going to have multiple Peter Parkers show up in NWH then yeah, all other movies are part of this multiverse as well.

Its what you think is going to happen. You're stating it like its a fact.

And you do realize that certain previous Marvel films aren't owned by Disney and Sony?

 

[ADollarADay]

Its what you think is going to happen. You're stating it like its a fact.

And you do realize that certain previous Marvel films aren't owned by Disney and Sony?

Yes to both of your questions.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I can't see how he fits at all. He's not an armoured baddie and he's not going to be standing in the place of Steve Rogers as the Captain who was trying to stop Iron Man from being a vigilante and taking down all these armoured foes. He would feel shoehorned in.

I can't see how he fits into the MCU period. The others would be easier.

 

[Bayne]

I can't see how he fits into the MCU period. The others would be easier.

Punisher would be fine. As a straight villain, the way he used to be before the comics fell in love with dark anti-heroes.

A heroic Punisher (for his normal value of 'heroic') is too much to swallow anymore in general, regardless of the MCU. He hits way too close to home for a lot of terrible **** that just keeps happening in the world.

 

[Flash525]

I don't think so. Just because there's a multiverse in the MCU, it doesn't mean it absorbs the previous Marvel film adaptations.

Agree to disagree. IMO it's pretty clear that it does, actually. Not just Marvel films, but every piece of media. You either think that the ending clearly indicates that with all the branching and everything else in the timeline, or it indicates none of it.

Are we okay going to see Jennifer Garner as Elektra and Ben Affleck as Daredevil in the MCU? Okay maybe how about the 3 actors that played The Punisher in the movies?

I will believe that when I see it. But fornow,what you are saying is nothing more than a speculation.

I don't wish to step on anyone's toes here, but I don't believe anyone has stated facts; it's only possibilities, and with everything that's just happened on Loki, and everything that's going to happen with Strange 2, Ant Man 3 and Spider-Man 3, it's a high possibility that previous Marvel adaptations (regardless of who owns the rights) could very easily exist within the MCU Multiverse.

That's all I believe is discussed here. Possibilities. Of course nothing is fact until we're told otherwise, but when there's literally an infinite amount of other universes that've just been opened up to us, all other projects suddenly have a way in.

• DareDevil (Affleck's)
• Electra (Garner)
• Ghost Rider
• Blade
• Agents of Shield (all seasons)
• Eric Bana's Hulk
• Ed Norton's Hulk (I know Ruffalo's Hulk is supposed to be the same one, but they could always amend and split that if there was design)
• Old F4
• New F4
• The Netflix Band; DareDevil (Cox), Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher
• Lundgren's Punisher
• Thomas Jane's Punisher
• Ray Stevenson's Punisher

It's all possible. Just, maybe not probable. Marvel/Disney aren't going to just throw any film into their new Multiverse, they'll want to be calculated about it, and some properties simply might not fit, or serve a purpose (like the older Punisher films, or Affleck & Garner's portrayal of DD & Electra.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Incredible Hulk is definitely indeed part of the MCU from the get go. Hulk was just recast just like how War Machine was recast after 1 movie.

 

[The Caped Knight]

The Incredible Hulk is definitely indeed part of the MCU from the get go. Hulk was just recast just like how War Machine was recast after 1 movie.

Well they're certainly going to great efforts to establish it . Bring back Willaim hurt as Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross in Captain America: Civil War, Black Widow, Avengers Infinity War & Endgame. And now Tim Roth as Emil Blonskey aka Abomination in Shang-Chi and She-Hulk. Plus theirs strong rumors supporting that Betty Ross will reunite once more with Bruce Banner and Liv Tyler is interested in reprising her role.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well they're certainly going to great efforts to establish it . Bring back Willaim hurt as Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross in Captain America: Civil War, Black Widow, Avengers Infinity War & Endgame. And now Tim Roth as Emil Blonskey aka Abomination in Shang-Chi and She-Hulk. Plus theirs strong rumors supporting that Betty Ross will reunite once more with Bruce Banner and Liv Tyler is interested in reprising her role.

I hope Blonksy and Betty actually interact with Banner in She-Hulk and not just Jennifer. We've had a couple of films now with Thunderbolt Ross in the same movie as Banner and they've had zero interaction. Blonsky and Betty could be in the episodes where Banner doesn't show up.

 

[Flash525]

The Incredible Hulk is definitely indeed part of the MCU from the get go. Hulk was just recast just like how War Machine was recast after 1 movie.

I know that, I'm just saying that (if they wanted) they could bring Norton back as (a) Hulk from another Earth and that story could've taken place there, whilst Ruffalo's story could've differed somewhat, or even identical, except Bruce Banner looks different.

In the same way that Peter Parker looks different x3.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Hmmmm....

Nick Fury --- Valentina Allegra de Fontaine
Captain America --- US Agent
Hulk --- Abomination
Black Widow (Natasha) --- Black Widow (Yelena)
Iron Man --- ???
Thor --- ???
Hawkeye --- ???

I'm not sure if it needs to be the exact lineup of original Avengers. But we'll see I guess.
I think Iron Man could be any of the Armor Wars villains, whether that's Detroit Steel (Hammer), a proper Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, or whoever.
Hawkeye you'd expect someone like Trickshot or Bullseye, but I could also see them make someone else Ronin (in the Comics it has also been Echo, Red Guardian, Blade and Moon Knight. But I could see them use Swordsman for example).
Thor is a difficult one. There's not really any good options. An Eternal like Ikaris or Gilgamesh maybe? Or maybe if Love & Thunder introduces someone who could be a Thor stand-in (Angela? Bill? Masterson? Red Norvell? Hercules? Ares? Sylvie?). I'm not seeing anything so far that'd work.

Let's think if there's anyone else they could use...

Dr. Strange - Mordo seems a good pick
Ant-Man - Eric O'Grady? Erik Josten? Bill Foster? Yellowjacket somehow returning?
Captain Marvel - Karla Sofen? Surviving Minn-Erva? Superia? Khn'nr? Noh-Varr? Genis or Phyla?
Scarlet Witch - Sylvie? Wanda herself? Toxie Doxie?
Vision - White Vision? Simon Williams? Surviving Ultron?
Black Panther - M'Baku? W'Kabi? Kasper Cole? Hunter?

Some possibilities, but not a whole lot of super obvious picks.
I'm not sure

 

[psylockolussus]

I know that, I'm just saying that (if they wanted) they could bring Norton back as (a) Hulk from another Earth and that story could've taken place there, whilst Ruffalo's story could've differed somewhat, or even identical, except Bruce Banner looks different.

In the same way that Peter Parker looks different x3.

That would just lead people to assume the 2008 movie was in the different reality (all this time) compare to the other phase 1 movies, which imo would be unnecessary.

Also, iirc Norton was let go or fired because he couldn't get along with Marvel Studios about the direction of Hulk's story. So I don't see why he would be brought back after all these years.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they got Ed Norton as a Multiverse Hulk does that mean we'd get Multiverse Terence Howard Rhodey as well?

 

[Flash525]

If they got Ed Norton as a Multiverse Hulk does that mean we'd get Multiverse Terence Howard Rhodey as well?

Presumably within the multiverse you could have Ed Norton War Machine and Terrance Howard Hulk? Or more specifically, another Earth where Rhodes becomes Black(?) Hulk and Bruce Banner gets a green (maybe even organic) suit of armour?; Grassman... who's arch-enemy can be played by Jim Carey ... Lawnmower man.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

It's funny because Spirits of Vengeance and the Ghost Rider from 2007 are almost two different characters. The Ghost Rider doesn't even look or act the same.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Any chance the upcoming films get delayed again due to COVID?

 

[psylockolussus]

Any chance the upcoming films get delayed again due to COVID?

The trailer for Spidey 3 should have been out by now.

But if Sony delayed Morbius to freaking 2022, I can definitely see them move Spidey to a different month.

 

[Albright]

doubt it. Just consider what effects this would have on the Disney+ series
She-Hulk ( probably depends on Spider-man NWH)
Moon Knight ( probably depends on Multiverse of Madness and NWH)
Secret Invasion (depends on a lot)
Armor Wars (probably depends on Quantumania)
Loki Season 2 ( most likely depends on Quantumania and Thor L&T)
Guardians Holiday Special (depends probably on Thor L&T)

And they couldn’t have another optimistic investors presentation (most likely during D23 in November) just to postpone everything again.

If Kevin Feige wants everything being connected, there are some bitter pills now, he have to swallow.
Multiverse of Madness probably being the first MCU movie, that could count on full theatrical capacities