Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

So, just because Mahershala Ali did it, doesn’t mean every black actor is doing the same thing.:nuhu:

If you read post you quoted, nowhere does it say that every black actor wants to work for Marvel. It DOES, however, say a lot that an actor of his caliber wants to work with Marvel and anyone who doesn't think that Marvel has put together a truly impressive stable of actors is in denial of reality.

Nice try though....you really knocked that straw man you set up out of the park.
 
Ah yes...the "trilogy" of Doctor Strange and Ant Man! It's almost as awesome as the Thor trilogy that just ended!

I hope they wait a bit longer on Fantastic Four...but I think it's coming fairly soon. And I REALLY hope they wait on the X-Men...go through this phase of establishing the heroes they have as icons...and introducing the new ones and exploring the cosmic side...and THEN go to the mutants.

I have to agree mainly since it just seems easier to get through this massive slate and let things fall in place more smoothly.
 
If you read post you quoted, nowhere does it say that every black actor wants to work for Marvel. It DOES, however, say a lot that an actor of his caliber wants to work with Marvel and anyone who doesn't think that Marvel has put together a truly impressive stable of actors is in denial of reality.

Nice try though....you really knocked that straw man you set up out of the park.
If you follow the trail backwards through the thread....you will see that a few pages back someone said something along the lines of "every black actor will want to be in BLACK PANTHER 2"....I think he has the two different posters confused with each other....that or he's just being a troll as usual.
 
i guess, Marvel has an agreement with Sony, that the Spiderman releases are always every two years in July.
I can see 2021 being a 4-movie-exception, because 2020 there will only be 2 movies (and 1 tv-show)
 
I'm a bit underwhelmed as well but we have to remember this is just the first 2 years of Phase 4. They've got 9 MCU canon projects that'll be in production and released the next couple of years, which is a lot to ask of a company that has never really done more than 3 or 4 at a time. I think Feige will want to see how much of this goes before setting the schedule for projects set for the latter half of Phase 4.

As for DS not including more horror aspects, Derrickson said he had included them in his initial drafts but Feige told him to hold off on some of those for sequels and to allow moviegoers/fans to get slowly acclimated to Doctor Strange's world instead of going all out right away.

Yeah,I guess so. I think also it's because it's alot of new characters and right now without any trailers, it's hard to see how they fit in with the familiar MCU we've all come to know. They might not sound exciting now but once we see them in action my interest will increase....I guess I also wanted a definitive FF announcement and not happy with waiting 3 years for BP or Captain Marvel.

Maybe Blade is setting up the grittier, darker side of the MCU to include Daredevil and The Punisher down the line?
 
It's not that every black actor wants to be in Black Panther 2...every actor of every race wants to be in a Marvel movie (with a few exceptions of people who actually don't care about the money...Daniel Day Lewis or someone like that). Just look at the talent lining up to be in these movies...they know what it can do for their careers/bank accounts.
 
It's not that every black actor wants to be in Black Panther 2...every actor of every race wants to be in a Marvel movie (with a few exceptions of people who actually don't care about the money...Daniel Day Lewis or someone like that). Just look at the talent lining up to be in these movies...they know what it can do for their careers/bank accounts.
Yeah, even someone already high profile like Scarlett has seen a definite boost in her profile by being involved with the MCU. Geeks are loyal lol.
 
The fact is...they dont do this for a natural reason. They want a female or a younger version or a minority character...but are far too lazy or out of ideas to create a new character that people will like. So, they slap a familiar name and logo on the character, hoping to get enough people to buy it based on those superficial reasons. I wouldn't mind it occasionally if it didnt feel like such a cheap gimmick.

Hey, let's take it easy on the comic book writers. Creating original characters is HARD! Not everyone's Jack Frikkin' Kirby.

And the idea of expanding a comic book roster by putting a new spin on an existing character has been happening since at least before war when Fawcett put a blue uniform and a hep-cat hairdo on a handicapped boy and called him Captain Marvel Jr. This ain't some new PC SJW trend of which we should all be terrified. The "cheap gimmick" has been happening for decades.

And lots of legacies - including Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Johnny Storm and Carol Danvers - have gone on to far surpass their predecessors in popularity. Crappy ones get forgotten, and the ones that work - including Kamala Khan, Jaimie Reyes, Freddy Freeman, Mary Marvel, Laura Kinney, Courtney Whitmore, Damian Wayne, Beta Ray Bill, Michael Holt, America Chavez, Kara Danvers, Miles Morales, Gwen Stacey, Hope Van Dyne, Scott Lang, Kate Bishop and Helena Bertinelli - actually live up to the legacy.

Creating legacies is a great way to breathe new life into underused characters, increase diversity in a character roster that is overwhelmingly white and male and bring in new readers essential for keeping a dying medium alive. And it ain't new.
 
What I find really amusing about the dislike some people have towards legacy characters is that many "original" heroes have very similar powersets anyway. It doesn't matter how creative writers are, there are only so many superpowers they can come up with before things get ridiculous.

When it comes to superheroes, having an interesting personality, look and supporting cast is far more important than having unique powers. Deadpool is pretty much a Wolverine with swords and guns but that hasn't stopped him from becoming one of Marvel's most popular heroes.
 
If you follow the trail backwards through the thread....you will see that a few pages back someone said something along the lines of "every black actor will want to be in BLACK PANTHER 2"....I think he has the two different posters confused with each other....that or he's just being a troll as usual.

I've never bothered responding to this particular poster before because, well, I found your last explanation by far the most likely. In any case, there's this thing called a figure of speech and I think we can safely assume that when someone (incorrectly) says "every" (fill in the blank), it doesn't mean literally "every" (fill in the blank); especially if you are talking about a very large group. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that there are a LOT of actors of color who are VERY interested in working for Marvel. Five years ago (and even more recently) there were a lot of complaints (rightfully) that CBMs were pretty much restricted to white people (very large majority of those men). Marvel has done a reasonable job of changing that....

Ehhhhh.....never mind. I'm digressing as usual. The point (if I'm making one LOL) is that I think that there is a recognition among the vast majority of black actors (hell, actors period) of both genders that making a movie with Marvel isn't the worst career move someone could make, AND there may be opportunities there. That's a good thing. I've mentioned this before, but just look at the quality of actors Marvel has been able to attract. It's really, REALLY impressive. Sure some actors may not be interested in doing a Marvel movie, but, given the nature of the business itself and the difficulties a lot of actors face getting work, I think it safe to say that's not generally the case.
 
What I find really amusing about the dislike some people have towards legacy characters is that many "original" heroes have very similar powersets anyway. It doesn't matter how creative writers are, there are only so many superpowers they can come up with before things get ridiculous.

When it comes to superheroes, having an interesting personality, look and supporting cast is far more important than having unique powers. Deadpool is pretty much a Wolverine with swords and guns but that hasn't stopped him from becoming one of Marvel's most popular heroes.

In general, I think what's happening is that we get really attached to certain characters and when they aren't going to be there any more, we don't like it. At the end of EG, as much as I like Sam, I was thinking "Oh Hell No!". Is anyone out there sold on Natalie taking Thor's mantle (either of his mantles :cwink:)? I can tell you for a fact that I'm not, but I'm probably biased because I saw Thor and TDW...
 
I honestly can tell if your trolling or not. Did you miss the Blade announcement? 2 time academy award winner Mahershala Ali wanted to play Blade. Marvel wern't even developing anything for Blade but when Mahershala calls you answer. (Feige's words not mine) The fact that someone like Mahershala wanted to work with Marvel says a lot. And Black Panther being such a success probably has a lot to do with it.
I’m confused by this. Isn’t it supposed to be the actors listening when the studio calls? Feige has as much pull as almost anyone in Hollywood right now I’d imagine.
 
I can tell you for a fact that I'm not, but I'm probably biased because I saw Thor and TDW...
Lol, it's not just you. I'm pretty sure that's how most of us feel.

But if there's someone who can pull off a miracle and redeem Jane Foster, it's Taika. Or maybe not. Time will tell.
 
I’m confused by this. Isn’t it supposed to be the actors listening when the studio calls? Feige has as much pull as almost anyone in Hollywood right now I’d imagine.

What's confusing? The interests of this multiple award winning currently in demand respected actor coincided with the interests of this top Hollywood exec. It's not like Feige literally had to agree to make a new Blade movie. If he didn't think it would be successful it wouldn't be happening.
 
It cant be 2022 unless Marvel Studios and Disney give up the July 2022 date to a rival studio which ain't happening. It will be 2021.
i guess, Marvel has an agreement with Sony, that the Spiderman releases are always every two years in July.
I can see 2021 being a 4-movie-exception, because 2020 there will only be 2 movies (and 1 tv-show)

Yep. Plus Sony already has an Untitled Marvel movie scheduled for July 2nd, 2021. More than likely that's gonna be Spidey 3.
 
Not excited about Phase IV. On paper these films look/sound so unappealing. The only one that remotely interests me is Thor and the eventual Black Panther 2. The really are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The mutants and FF cant come fast enough
 
If you read post you quoted, nowhere does it say that every black actor wants to work for Marvel. It DOES, however, say a lot that an actor of his caliber wants to work with Marvel and anyone who doesn't think that Marvel has put together a truly impressive stable of actors is in denial of reality.

Nice try though....you really knocked that straw man you set up out of the park.
You need to go back, he was referring to another poster comments. That will put it in proper context.
 
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I've never bothered responding to this particular poster before because, well, I found your last explanation by far the most likely. In any case, there's this thing called a figure of speech and I think we can safely assume that when someone (incorrectly) says "every" (fill in the blank), it doesn't mean literally "every" (fill in the blank); especially if you are talking about a very large group. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that there are a LOT of actors of color who are VERY interested in working for Marvel. Five years ago (and even more recently) there were a lot of complaints (rightfully) that CBMs were pretty much restricted to white people (very large majority of those men). Marvel has done a reasonable job of changing that....

Ehhhhh.....never mind. I'm digressing as usual. The point (if I'm making one LOL) is that I think that there is a recognition among the vast majority of black actors (hell, actors period) of both genders that making a movie with Marvel isn't the worst career move someone could make, AND there may be opportunities there. That's a good thing. I've mentioned this before, but just look at the quality of actors Marvel has been able to attract. It's really, REALLY impressive. Sure some actors may not be interested in doing a Marvel movie, but, given the nature of the business itself and the difficulties a lot of actors face getting work, I think it safe to say that's not generally the case.
Why bring the race of an actor in it at all. Just say lots of actor and leave it at that. I’m sure there are many actors who want to be in the MCU and many actors don’t want to be in the MCU, no matter the race. As a black man, I don’t take likely this crap I see posted on this forum sometimes. Just stop the race talk.
 
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So Heres my ranking of Phase 4 movies from most anticipated to least

Dr Strange:Into the Multiverse of Madness

Without a doubt, My Most anticipated. I loved the unique visuals and world of the first 1 and I think its woefully underestimated. I’m glad.to hear the sequel is going of the chain.

Nice to hear scarlet witch is in this.Now confirm Brother voodoo and I will be satisfied.


Shangchi: Legend of the 10 rings

As a massive Kungfu fan. This movie speaks to me. And We got the Mandarin! So awesome!


Black Widow

I love Scarlett. And the idea of her having a Protégé in Yelena appeals to me.


Eternals:

The idea of a Movie set in the far past of the MCU appeals to me. I do have concerns about the Large Team and the lack of Sersi. But in Marvel we trust


Thor Love and Thunder

I don’t like Ragnarök Thor and much preferred Infinity war Thor.This movie sees to more Ragnarok style and I don’t like it.I don’t care for Jane Thor either and I find it eyerollworthy.

But I love Thor sooooo muchhhh.So I will watch
 
Not excited about Phase IV. On paper these films look/sound so unappealing. The only one that remotely interests me is Thor and the eventual Black Panther 2. The really are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The mutants and FF cant come fast enough

Eh, disagree big time. The one good thing about marvel properties being at other studios for so long was that it allowed some characters that wouldn't have had their own movies to get them. There's still plenty of other characters that they will hopefully one day bring to the big screen other than just the so called "big guns", and I use that term tongue-in-cheek since FF has always had crap movies up to this point, and at least half of the x-movies suck too.
 
So who is gonna start the Phase V thread?
 
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I’m confused by this. Isn’t it supposed to be the actors listening when the studio calls? Feige has as much pull as almost anyone in Hollywood right now I’d imagine.

Feige does, but a guy who just won 2 Oscars called him up and pitched it, and Kevin’s smart enough to not reject a smart idea when it’s staring at him.

It’s like if Leo DiCaprio or Daniel Day Lewis called Feige wanting to play Wolverine or Magneto. Of course he can say no, but why should he just because it wasn’t his original idea?
 
Not excited about Phase IV. On paper these films look/sound so unappealing. The only one that remotely interests me is Thor and the eventual Black Panther 2. The really are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The mutants and FF cant come fast enough

Respectfully, lots of people said this about Guardians and Ant-Man. How many millions of people had no taste in Ragnarok after the taste of the first two? All it takes is a trailer to wow us with visuals and make us go “oh, THIS is the take” to make us all be in.
 
The fact is...they dont do this for a natural reason. They want a female or a younger version or a minority character...but are far too lazy or out of ideas to create a new character that people will like. So, they slap a familiar name and logo on the character, hoping to get enough people to buy it based on those superficial reasons. I wouldn't mind it occasionally if it didnt feel like such a cheap gimmick.

No, they make tons of new female characters. And they do only do this occasionally, it’s not like this is every few months. But go figure, new Thor is bigger news than the ten new characters those writers made
 

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