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[0604854]

I really don't think he'd work on the big screen. Why would the ga want a horseheaded Thor when they can have Chris?

If you do need to replace Thor in the Avengers you already have Captain Marvel. Hercules would be good as it brings in the Olympians which everyone would be familiar with.

It does not literally need to be an exact copy of the comic Beta Ray and also the reason they would not want Chris is that he's character has run it's course (in the eyes of Feige) and Hemsworth may want to move on.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I really don't think he'd work on the big screen. Why would the ga want a horseheaded Thor when they can have Chris?

If you do need to replace Thor in the Avengers you already have Captain Marvel. Hercules would be good as it brings in the Olympians which everyone would be familiar with.

I don't see why he wouldn't work. Would you have thought a talking raccoon and a giant tree man would have worked before GOTG?

 

[MbJ]

How about Thunderbolts on netflix, here would be my team:

Like I said a few posts earlier, Marvel is clearly beginning to set the stage for the Thunderbolts, and it isn't gonna be the newer Punisher-led one.

 

[0604854]

Like I said a few posts earlier, Marvel is clearly beginning to set the stage for the Thunderbolts, and it isn't gonna be the newer Punisher-led one.

I have 2 problems with that idea, 1st that we have a team of former super villains we have never seen before which really won't work and 2nd the team would be made up of almost complete unknowns from marvels Z-list villain collection (with one or two exceptions).

 

[MbJ]

I have 2 problems with that idea, 1st that we have a team of former super villains we have never seen before which really won't work

All you have to do is introduce them in upcoming movies.

and 2nd the team would be made up of almost complete unknowns from marvels Z-list villain collection (with one or two exceptions).

You mean like the Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[Tg11]

Jensen Ackles as Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider

 

[0604854]

All you have to do is introduce them in upcoming movies.



You mean like the Guardians of the Galaxy?

Rocket raccoon and the likes had a more cult following, and even before Guardians of the galaxy came out I would take that team over the original Thunderbolts anyday (I mean Mach-I, Atlas, Citizen V(yes he is Zemo but couldn't he have picked a better persona),Moonstone (one of my exceptions she is cool), Songbird and Techno).

 

[MbJ]

Rocket raccoon and the likes had a more cult following, and even before Guardians of the galaxy came out.

Among hardcore comic fans. Most people had never heard of the Guardians and Marvel still made the public fall in love with them. That's why it's heralded as such a massive success story. Marvel took a team of unknown Z-listers and made them big stars.

 

[0604854]

Among hardcore comic fans. Most people had never heard of the Guardians and Marvel still made the public fall in love with them. That's why it's heralded as such a massive success story. Marvel took a team of unknown Z-listers and made them big stars.

The thing is even among comic fans the original thunderbolt members were not that well liked (except Moonstone), also the back story and even the abilities of alot of the original Thunderbolts are just not that great.

Wouldn't you refer to have Elektra and Punisher in there who are universally more well known and liked and Marvel has already done some of the leg work?

 

[MbJ]

The thing is even among comic fans the original thunderbolt members were not that well liked

Their original series made it to 175 issues, which is around 4 times as long as the Guardians of the Galaxy run that the movie was based on. So clearly comic fans did like them.

Wouldn't you refer to have Elektra and Punisher in there who are universally more well known and liked and Marvel has already done some of the leg work?

No, because they're from a very recent, short-lived incarnation of the Thunderbolts that had nothing to do with the original premise. And I don't want the idea on Netflix. I want it with a movie budget and where it can have a big impact on the actual MCU.

And to reiterate what I said above, saying "They're more well known" in a world where Marvel made audiences care about Groot and Rocket Raccoon means absolutely nothing.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

I'm pretty sure at least Zemo and Moonstone are more popular now than Rocket and Groot were before the GotG movie, and Songbird is on about the same level. As a team they were just as popular as the modern Guardians, if not more. The Thunderbolts team with Elektra and Punisher was not even in any way similar to any other Thunderbolts team. It was a strike team that was basically just Code Red with a different (stolen) name, which in itself was just a rip-off of X-Force.

While characters like Elektra and Punisher are popular on their own, putting them on a team does not automatically make them better. Especially since one of them is the Punisher. He couldn't even be a team player during Civil War, so there's no way he'd work on a team with Criminals for less. Jon Bernthal's Punisher even less so than Punisher in the comics, I'd say.

Spoiler

From what I've read a lot of fans of both the Thunderbolts and Punisher disliked Red Hulk's Thunderbolts for exactly the reasons I listed.

But of course then the question is raised, how would you introduce the original Thunderbolts? Zemo will be in Civil War. I guess you could introduce Moonstone in Captain Marvel and Erik Josten in Ant-Man and the Wasp. But how would you introduce Fixer, Beetle and Melissa?

 

[MbJ]

Beetle could show up in the Spider-Man reboot.

 

[Mike5575]

Moonstone could show up in Captain Marvel 2. For Carol's first movie, it would make more sense to focus on the Kree, like Yon-Rohg and Dr. Minerva.

 

[Tg11]

I wonder if the Guardians of the Galaxy if they could show up in Captain Marvel I mean it would make sense if they cameoed

 

[Eddie]

Beetle could show up in the Spider-Man reboot.

He was originally a Human Torch villain, so they may not have access to Beetle.

 

[Tg11]

Hercules by him replacing Thor in the Avengers it actually makes sense considering like Thor, Hercules is also a demi-god my God he's the freakin son of Zeus for crying out loud

 

[Tg11]

And by introducing Hercules into the MCU you bring with him all the mythology of Olympus and ancient Greece

 

[0604854]

Their original series made it to 175 issues, which is around 4 times as long as the Guardians of the Galaxy run that the movie was based on. So clearly comic fans did like them.



No, because they're from a very recent, short-lived incarnation of the Thunderbolts that had nothing to do with the original premise. And I don't want the idea on Netflix. I want it with a movie budget and where it can have a big impact on the actual MCU.

And to reiterate what I said above, saying "They're more well known" in a world where Marvel made audiences care about Groot and Rocket Raccoon means absolutely nothing.

I was not a big follower of Guardians of the galaxy but I had heard of Rocket. I just don't like the backgrounds and character arcs of alot of the Thunderbolts which is why I don't think the original team as was is the best option, if your going for a movie then possibly a mixture of Thunderbolts members from across the run may work. I really like when Yelena Belova was on the team (actually Natasha Romanov), now who should be the leader I would lean more to Norman Osbourne rather than Zemo but again thats personal preference, also if it was in movie form then Abomination/Red Hulk look almost certainties to me.

 

[MbJ]

I was not a big follower of Guardians of the galaxy but I had heard of Rocket. I just don't like the backgrounds and character arcs of alot of the Thunderbolts.

That's totally fine. But you're not the only person in the audience. And you may have heard of Rocket but that doesn't make the team any less obscure.

I would lean more to Norman Osbourne rather than Zemo

Given that we were just told Zemo will have a bigger role in a future movie, I cannot imagine they'd do the Thunderbolts and then have it be Osborn.

 

[0604854]

That's totally fine. But you're not the only person in the audience. And you may have heard of Rocket but that doesn't make the team any less obscure.



Given that we were just told Zemo will have a bigger role in a future movie, I cannot imagine they'd do the Thunderbolts and then have it be Osborn.

My biggest problem is I just don't like the background of the original thunderbolts, perhaps you can sell them as a concept to me! I just see characters like perhaps Venom, Punisher, Elektra and Red Hulk being more interesting characters.

 

[MbJ]

I just see characters like perhaps Venom, Punisher, Elektra and Red Hulk being more interesting characters.

And again, that's fine. They're just not gonna be the MCU Thunderbolts.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I think there's room for both Osborne and Zemo in a Thinderbolts movie. Zemo is just the field leader, while Osborne is the big boss.

 

[metaphysician]

Ugh, no. Osborne has no business bossing Zemo around. One of them is a world-threatening mastermind, the other is a Spider-man villain who the writers randomly decided to upjump.

 

[SlamAdams]

Some non-sequel titles I'd like to see

Runaways
It is pretty popular and critically acclaimed. It doesn't usually make it for long stretches, but neither did Guardians of the Galaxy. Its an interesting take on the grander MCU world, where this cult of supervillains already exist and cover multiple genres of sci-fi and fantasy. On a side-note, it is a sure fire way to add more diversity all at once.

New Warriors
Similar kitchen sink approach as the Runaways. Heroes with varied origins: alien intervention, lab experiments, Atlanteans, hi-tech gear. The most recent iteration even had a clone, an inhuman, and a demi-god.

Agents of Atlas
Another kitchen sink team. I like the idea of this one because they predate the Avengers, and the way Fury introduces the Avengers Initiative sort of makes it seem like something that has been on his mind for a while. Like maybe the tried and messed it up once. Plus the time period between WWII and Iron Man could use some fleshing out.

Werewolf by Night vs Moon Knight
Remember when Werewolf By Night was one of the first proposed Marvel movies back when they sold off a bunch of licenses to stay afloat? That's a random title. I like Moon Knight though, and I always thought his career as a werewolf hunter was shortlived, especially when they later added a power where he got stronger the fuller the moon got. Maybe it'll help differentiate between Daredevil and the inevitable new Batman movies.

Future Foundation
They don't have Fantastic Four, but maybe they can sneak by with the FF. Ant-Man (Lang) ran it for while, and since Hank Pym was the head of Avengers Academy, he could sort of be the new founder, the Michael Douglas version that is. A Hulk? Sort of. Inhumans? Yup. Power Pack? I think so. Dragon Man? Probably. Human Torch? The Jim Hammond version anyway. A decades old Android would definitely get their interest.

 

[Dasher10]

lol, a lot of these ideas would be better suited for TV.

Thunderbolts and Moon Knight are both rumored for Netflix.

Runaways I feel would be better off far down the line. I'd rather see Power Pack first. Then when whoever is playing Julie gets too old, cancel the show and do Runaways as a spin-off on Freeform.

If anything is to come next on film, I feel like Eternals is absolutely on the horizon. We're getting Thanos as the big bad of Phase 3 so Marvel would be really stupid to not want to do Eternals. The other thing that needs to come is a Ghost Rider reboot since he's a popular character who requires way too large of a budget for TV.