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Doesn't it seem really strange that Marvel has gone from complete visibility for five years or more of films down to the point we're not 100% sure what's coming out next year?

Has Feige or anyone else discussed that shift? Is it partly related to Endgame and their desire to allow that to play out before talking about what's next?

Considering some things have changed in the past and some films are probably dependent on how other films do, I can understand they might want some flexibility, but it's kind of crazy how dramatic the shift has been.

And I to think they lose some marketing edge by not giving fans the chance to plan and look forward to specific films on specific dates.
Yeah I think they definitely would lose a
marketing edge if they kept it like this going forward. I was anticipating all the Phase 3 films so much (don’t care about dates being moved around - just need confirmed releases to talk about) and post EG it’s hard to have a solid conversation, which opens the door to anticipating other things more (not just films).
 
I hope Strange isn't on any teams but the Midnight Sons. He deserves to lead them.
The character in your avy should lead the Midnight Sons.

And the line up should be:

Blade

Ghost Rider

Brother Voodoo

Werewolf By Night

Moon Knight


The vampire hunter, the avenging ghost, the voodoo sorcerer, the werewolf and the werewolf hunter.

Boom. There is your team with built in diversity of abilities, personalities and specialities.
 
The character in your avy should lead the Midnight Sons.

And the line up should be:

Blade

Ghost Rider

Brother Voodoo

Werewolf By Night

Moon Knight


The vampire hunter, the avenging ghost, the voodoo sorcerer, the werewolf and the werewolf hunter.

Boom. There is your team with built in diversity of abilities, personalities and specialities.

All male though. Probably should have Elsa Bloodstone or something.
 
I hope Strange isn't on any teams but the Midnight Sons. He deserves to lead them.
I don't see a movie with a title "Midnight Sons" happening. Maybe Doctor Strange: Midnight Son. I think if they want to adapt it, they might feature it in a Doctor Strange film. Same thing with the Defenders. i think they would be keep the event team up films to the Avengers films or something like Civil War or Ragnarok. But not a Marvel's Midnight Sons or Marvel's The Defenders, especially the latter was used as a title to a Marvel Netflix show.
 
Dr. Strange: Midnight Son makes absolutely no ****ing sense especially if it features those other characters.
 
The character in your avy should lead the Midnight Sons.

And the line up should be:

Blade

Ghost Rider

Brother Voodoo

Werewolf By Night

Moon Knight


The vampire hunter, the avenging ghost, the voodoo sorcerer, the werewolf and the werewolf hunter.

Boom. There is your team with built in diversity of abilities, personalities and specialities.


I have a story with my own team worked out as well. I'd start my fist movie with Mephisto using the Darkhold to create a new Hell on Earth. It's a lot more and I've thought out a trilogy of films, but I won't get into it here. First movie's lineup would be Strange, Blade, Ghost-Rider, Jennifer Kale, Man-Thing, Wolf by Night and Morbius.

Stephen Strange would lead. His well-rounded knowledge of sorcery, the supernatural world and not being an emotional wreck(at the moment) like most of the Sons makes him the prime case to lead, along with the fact that the Midnight Sons are using his Sanctum Sanctorum as a base of operations. Also the team medic, with his extensive surgical expertise. Strange has a strong need to save and preserve lives, by any means necessary. His methods don't always gel with the rest of the Midnight Sons, who don't all trust Strange as much as he'd like them do. Begins the film by attempting to solve a string of murders that are seemingly tied to Vampires.

Blade would co-lead as the team tactician. Has lead the Night-Stalkers before. Was on his own slaying Vampires in an attempt to solve an ongoing mystery, until Strange came to him, trying to solve the same case. Blade's been a killing machine for the past few months, so he's in a dark and not-so-trusting place when Strange finds him. Blade was near-death when Strange saved him, and had been recovering in Strange's sanctum for a time, while the world's remaining vampires believed him to be dead. Blade feels indebted to Strange, and the two share a friendship hinging on trust and necessity. The two agree to work together to solve a mutual murder mystery involving vampires. Still secretly dealing with his vampire-side, he needs improved serum to keep his urges controlled before its too late. Usually in control of every aspect in his life, Blade's not yet too trusting of this rag-tag team of monsters he now finds himself on. His no-nonsense personality, coupled with his unyielding work-ethic, works well to keep the team of monsters in focus of their mission. Blade's blunt words sometimes put him in closely confrontational situations with the more rebellious Midnight Sons, like John Blaze and Morbius.

John Blaze as Ghost Rider for his connections to Mephisto and his cousin, Jennifer Kale. Was unwittingly serving Mephisto under a powerful spell, until Strange broke him free. An emotional mess, constantly reeking of cigarette smoke and booze. John has aged well past his prime, constantly traveling to escape his tortuous demons and to maintain a safe distance from the few loved ones he still has. Always exhausted from a lack of sleep and faith, John is ill-tempered and rebellious; he wouldn't even be with the Midnight Sons if Strange hadn't saved him from Mephisto's spell, and more importantly, the life of his cousin. A soul battered by loss and grief, John might have a chance of piecing his life back together when he reconnects with Jennifer. No longer lets anyone but Jennifer call him "Johnny" anymore, since his younger days are well behind him. As a lone wolf and an atomic bomb just waiting to explode, Blaze bears a long-standing hatred for Mephisto and believes he should be the only one tasked with taking the demon down. Strange warns Blaze that going after Mephisto on his own could result in him being put under another spell, so Blaze remains with the team as a means to an end.

Jennifer Kale for her connections to the Darkhold, Blaze and Man-Thing(I'd replace her Tome of Zhareed-Na with the Darkhold). A young woman saved from an oppressive foster system by her older cousin, Johnny: Jennifer had a great life after that point, until she secretly witnessed her ailing cousin make a deal with Mephisto in exchange for his soul, later riding off into the night leaving flaming tread-marks. Johnny never returned. Kale wondered what happened to him until the mysterious Darkhold showed up on her doorstep, answering all her questions about what Blaze had become, as well as binding itself to Kale's soul. Was on a journey to find her missing cousin until she was captured by Mephisto's forces and brought to Mys-Tech, in order to use the Darkhold for their own agenda.

Ted Sallis, the Man-Thing would be there, a young college professor who fell in love with Kale, only to get murdered in a car "accident" and left for dead in a swamp. Jennifer's raw emotions over his death intermix with her connection to the Darkhold, and she subconsciously brings Ted back from the dead as the mysterious and lumbering Man...Thing? He shares a deep emotional, mental and spiritual connection with Kale, and will do anything to protect her. Kale still sees him as Ted, so they share a bizarre romance of sorts.

Jack Russell, Wolf by Night. Jack Russell was attacked by a werewolf one night. Although hideously scarred, miraculously, Jack didn't die; but he was transformed into a monster. Jack's subconscious mind took him to his home, where he murdered his family in a wild rage. After realizing what he'd done, Jack left his old life in the UK behind and moved to America, working odd jobs until he began brawling for cash in underground cage-fighting. Self-destructive and suicidal, Jack believed he deserved all of the pain and carnage that he was constantly dishing out as the Wolf. It's not until he was captured by Mys-Tech that Jack's wolf side was manipulated and forced to do Mephisto's bidding. Jack, along with Jennifer Kale, are rescued by the Midnight Sons when they infiltrate Mys-Tech. Jack feels like he has a one-way ticket to hell after what he's done as the Wolf, but stopping Mephisto might be the salvation he needs to guarantee his place in Heaven alongside his dead family. An Irishman with a strong pride in his roots, Jack loves drowning his troubles in booze with John Blaze.

Michael Morbius. Afflicted with a deadly disease, Morbius underwent a blood-transfusion procedure that turned him into a creature with Vampire-tendencies and abilities. Feeling like his wife and children wouldn't accept him after witnessing the creature he had become, Morbius felt forced to hide away from them and left his old life behind. Originally working for Mys-Tech as a human, Morbius began his new life as a vampire by finding acceptance through Deacon Frost, who welcomed him with open arms, despite Morbius not being a "true" vampire. Morbius ran with Frost for years, even fighting Blade on occasion, until he had a change of heart that forced him to flee Frost's ranks and retreat into the shadows. Morbius no longer wanted to feed on innocents, and instead began to survive on the blood of rodents he'd scavenge. It's not until Morbius' former peer in the medical field, Stephen Strange, comes asking to help that Morbius leaves the rodents behind and hesitantly joins the Midnight Sons, despite a clear rivalry with Blade. Morbius' knowledge of Mys-Tech, coupled with his past friendship with Deacon Frost, make him a team asset. He will later be responsible for creating Blade's new and improved serum, after the two come to a mutual understanding for each other.

The Sorcerer, the Hunter, the Demon, the Witch, the Creature, the Monster, the Scientist. Lo, the Sons of Midnight!

Mephistopheles is the offspring of Lucifer and Lillith, and was effectively the first demon in existence. After a failed coup against Lucifer to take control of Hell, the Arch-demon Mephisto was sent "upwards", and banished to Earth. He was then locked in human form, cut off from most of his inherent magic and tasked with collecting souls for Lucifer. Once Mephisto had collected enough souls, he would be allowed back into Hell where he'd regain his lost powers, along with his Hell-Lord status and the respect he'd long since lost amongst his demon brethren. After being on earth for so long and converting obscene amounts of souls for his father throughout the ages, Mephisto now tires of his task, fearing that his father lied to him. He has massive power on earth through his manipulation of humanity and world events, but he craves his "real" power. He's now taken it upon himself to create his own Hell on earth, where the dimensional barriers separating our world and hell will be shattered completely. Once Mephisto comes into contact with the energies of his home dimension, he will regain his magical abilities and bring all of hell's demons onto Earth, stealing his father's subjects and creating his own kingdom for demonkind. Runs his company, Mys-tech, from the shadows. They specialize in secretly melding technology with sorcery and the collection of magical artifacts. Although the company is highly successful and their products are used worldwide, most people have no idea that Mys-tech products are made with magic. Mys-Tech is publicly run by a boardroom of secret immortal sorcerers, their souls owned by Mephisto through contractual obligation. The sorcerers also closely guard the depowered Mephisto to protect him from threats, while carrying out his plans using magic that he is no longer able to wield.

Deacon Frost, along with the rest of the earth's ruling Vampire elite, would also feature in the film. Being forced to work and murder for Mephisto under threat of being destroyed, the vampires are looked down upon by demonkind and treated as impure "sub-demons". Mephisto can't manipulate the vampires with his usual methods because they have no souls, so he threatens the annihilation of their entire race with the Montesi Formula, a spell found in the Darkhold. Wanting to preserve the Vampire race by any means, Frost and the Vampire elders have no choice but to begrudgingly serve Mephisto. Frost shares a deep friendship with Morbius and bears a long-standing rivalry with Blade. Has a weird "fatherly" relationship with Blade because he feels responsible for the Daywalker's creation. Blade despises his connection with Frost, and even hates it when Deacon constantly calls him "Eric" to remind Blade of his rough childhood.
 
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Honestly, it would be nice to get a real version of The Defenders.
I was never a fan of the Defenders, so I'm personally biased. It just makes sense to me for Strange to be with the Midnight Sons, handling magical threats and ancient evils that other heroes cannot.
 
Part of why I knew why Iron Man was going to die..you can't keep rolling truckloads of cash to Downey's house. That guy is so expensive.
 
Nope, it’s been already announced it will start filming until 2021. It will get to the theaters in 22 or 23

Really?

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 to Reportedly Shoot in 2020 - IGN

The publication's sources claim that five actors - presumably Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Dave Bautista, Vin Diesel, and Bradley Cooper - are set to reunite for a 2020 shoot. This would mean that the filming of Guardians Vol. 3 will happen just a few months after shooting director James Gunn’s other project, The Suicide Squad, which is due for release in August 2021.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was due to film in 2019, but Disney pulled James Gunn from the project after controversy arose regarding some offensive tweets the director once posted on Twitter. Gunn has now been re-attached to direct, and the script is already written, allowing the project to move ahead fairly quickly.

While Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is widely known about, Marvel Studios has yet to officially announce its place in the MCU phase structure, and so there is no official release date so far. Filming for Guardians Vol. 2 was conducted in 2016, and the movie released in 2017, so there is a possibility Guardians Vol. 3 could appear in 2021.

However, with Gunn apparently running two large superhero films almost in parallel, there’s chance that his commitments to The Suicide Squad may slow down progress on Guardians Vol. 3. We’ll just have to wait for Marvel Studios to announce its plans, presumably some time after phase 3 of the MCU concludes with Spider-Man: Far From Home on July 2.
 
Not a fan of the GOTG films in general or Lady Gaga... But damn if I don't love the idea of Gaga as Lylla.
 
Someone mentioned elsewhere things Gaga said about Tibet make her a poison in China box office so.....Emma Stone it is
 
Not a fan of the GOTG films in general or Lady Gaga... But damn if I don't love the idea of Gaga as Lylla.
I am just the other way; Guardians is the best part of the MCU for me...and I have zero interest in Lady Gaga being a part of that.
 
Doesn't it seem really strange that Marvel has gone from complete visibility for five years or more of films down to the point we're not 100% sure what's coming out next year?

Has Feige or anyone else discussed that shift? Is it partly related to Endgame and their desire to allow that to play out before talking about what's next?

Considering some things have changed in the past and some films are probably dependent on how other films do, I can understand they might want some flexibility, but it's kind of crazy how dramatic the shift has been.

And I to think they lose some marketing edge by not giving fans the chance to plan and look forward to specific films on specific dates.

Specifically, how do they lose marketing edge by being more secretive? The general audience doesn’t know these movies exist until the trailer. In what specific way does it hurt the marketing edge if fans only know the release date behind something two years before instead of four?
 
Specifically, how do they lose marketing edge by being more secretive? The general audience doesn’t know these movies exist until the trailer. In what specific way does it hurt the marketing edge if fans only know the release date behind something two years before instead of four?

First off, I think we have to dispel the myth of an ignorant "general audience". Almost everybody these days has some knowledge of and interest in Marvel films.

I know people who have never read a comic book in their lives who have been over-the-moon excited about Black Panther, Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Endgame etc.

I know a couple women with daughters specifically who had been looking forward to Captain Marvel from the moment they knew Marvel was doing a "girl superhero" film. They had no idea who CM was, and they certainly didn't know who Skrulls or Kree were, but since I'm a "comic book guy", they had been asking me about Captain Marvel and the pager in Infinity Wars etc. long before they had seen any trailer.

And they're asking me now about what's coming up, and I have to tell them "Spider-man, beyond that, I don't really know".

Yeah, sure, when the trailers start coming out, they'll be interested, but there is a difference between audiences having plenty of time to discuss and look forward to films vs. seeing a trailer with no context or prior anticipation.

Is it a huge difference? No. But I didn't claim it was. I used the word "edge" because that's what it is. A slight advantage - not something that will make or break a film.
 
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Personally I feel like there’s plenty to discuss: an upcoming Black Widow movie, Shang-Chi, The Eternals, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Black Panther 2, Doctor Strange 2...there’s already a lot to discuss there, what with Angelina Jolie, Richard Madden, and Rachel Weisz joining the MCU.
 

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