MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Spider-Aziz]

If Steve has an anchor to hold on to, he wins.
No anchor for Steve? Groot takes it.

 

[Batmannerism]

New match up:
Groot

vs Captain America

Who you got peeps?

Cap wins. Strong enough to break free of Groot's grip and the shield can cut steel cables- so it's going to cut through Groot. Remember the wood chopping scene from Age of Ultron ? That's how I see this one ending.

 

[hisham]

Groot wins.. he will first take the shield away and then impales captain

 

[Docker2.0]

Cap wins in a landslide. Next up:
Ultron Prime

Vs the Guardians of the Galaxy

Who you got peeps?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I've got to side with the Guardians of the Galaxy on this one. This team took out bigger threats that make Ultron Prime seem like child's play in comparison.

 

[Batmannerism]

I've got to side with the Guardians of the Galaxy on this one. This team took out bigger threats that make Ultron Prime seem like child's play in comparison.

Have to agree with that , especially as that version of GOTG includes Nebula and Yondu. As powerful as Ultron is, I believe they would find a weakness and take him down.

 

[Stormborn]

As much as I like the Guardians, Ultron Prime is way out of their league.

After his vibranium upgrade, he was strong enough to give characters like Thor and Vision trouble one on one (hell, he even made Thor bleed). It took a combined blast from Thor's lightning, Iron Man's repulsors and the freakin' mind stone to weaken him, followed by a pissed off Scarlet Witch tearing out his 'heart' to kill him.

Plus he had built in laser blasts and tech for manipulating gravity.

Long story short they're not going to overpower him and I also can't see them outsmarting a ruthless AI.

I've got to side with the Guardians of the Galaxy on this one. This team took out bigger threats that make Ultron Prime seem like child's play in comparison.

The thing is they beat Ronan because he was an idiot who got distracted with a dance off and then they used the power stone to destroy him.

As for Ego, they got extremely lucky.

• Mantis was able to put Ego to sleep to buy them time because she'd had years of practice.
• They discovered Ego's core was an Achilles heel style weakness.
• Rocket was able to jerry rig a mini nuke using the extremely rare tech he stole earlier in the film and Groot was able to sneakily plant it.
• Quill conveniently gained temporary Celestial powers in time to stop Ego disarming the bomb.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm with Stormborn. I actually thought this would be a landslide for Ultron. I kind of think Ultron is out of their league honestly. The only hope they have is Rocket but even then, Ultron thinks way ahead and probably has a contingency plan for him.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm with Stormborn. I actually thought this would be a landslide for Ultron. I kind of think Ultron is out of their league honestly. The only hope they have is Rocket but even then, Ultron thinks way ahead and probably has a contingency plan for him.

Ultron only beat the Avengers in South Africa due to the efforts of the Scarlet Witch - I got the distinct feeling that Thor was playing possum against Ultron Prime - the Avengers are more powerful man for Man than GOTG but he wasn't the threat the comic book version was - also Vision was vulnerable to Tasers with a vibranium blend body, and Star Lord has tasers built into his blasters.

I see Yondu putting his deadly arrow through Ultron's head while Rocket and Quill use their gadgets and Gamora and Nebula blast / stab away at him.

Honestly, I see the Guardians taking this - maybe with a casualty or two ( probably Mantis who would be utterly useless against Ultron) but still winning. They beat Ronan with a dance off and the power of friendship, that makes them a force to be reckoned with IMO.

 

[Luigi]

GOTG

Hard fought battle but the Guadians would come out on top. Numerical advantage and craftiness would lend them the win.

On a side topic, have to say that Ultron remains the best villain from Phase 2. Elevated by James Spader's fun performance.

 

[Stormborn]

You guys do realise this is the vibranium Ultron from the end of the film, right?

Not the same Ultron that fought Iron Man in South Africa and Cap in Seoul.

I see Yondu putting his deadly arrow through Ultron's head while Rocket and Quill use their gadgets and Gamora and Nebula blast / stab away at him.

He's tanked hits from Vision wielding Mjolnir and Hulk so hits from Gamora, Nebula, Drax and Groot probably won't bother him. Same goes for Yondu's arrow.

Vision was vulnerable to Tasers with a vibranium blend body, and Star Lord has tasers built into his blasters.

It took a sustained hit combining Thor's lightning, Iron Man's repulsors and the freakin' mind stone just to weaken Ultron. I would definitely expect him to shrug off Quill's tasers.

The only GotG weapon I can think of that might be a threat is the mini nuke Rocket built to blew up Ego's core in GotG 2. But that was a one time thing so Rocket probably doesn't have one in this fight.

I got the distinct feeling that Thor was playing possum against Ultron Prime

Maybe but he was still hitting hard enough to make Thor bleed. It takes Hulk level strength to do that.

He was also strong enough to overpower Vision and throw him through stone walls.

None of the Guardians have Thor/Vision level durability so I'd expect Ultron to tear through them like wet tissue paper.

 

[Batmannerism]

You guys do realise this is the vibranium Ultron from the end of the film, right?

Not the same Ultron that fought Iron Man in South Africa and Cap in Seoul.



He's tanked hits from Vision wielding Mjolnir and Hulk so hits from Gamora, Nebula, Drax and Groot probably won't bother him. Same goes for Yondu's arrow.



It took a sustained hit combining Thor's lightning, Iron Man's repulsors and the freakin' mind stone just to weaken Ultron. I would definitely expect him to shrug off Quill's tasers.

The only GotG weapon I can think of that might be a threat is the mini nuke Rocket built to blew up Ego's core in GotG 2. But that was a one time thing so Rocket probably doesn't have one in this fight.



Maybe but he was still hitting hard enough to make Thor bleed. It takes Hulk level strength to do that.

He was also strong enough to overpower Vision and throw him through stone walls.

None of the Guardians have Thor/Vision level durability so I'd expect Ultron to tear through them like wet tissue paper.

Your assumption is that sheer might prevails. That's only true if the contest is one of might. If they fight Ultron one on one or just blast away at him aimlessly, they'll lose.

However, the Guardians have overcome much more powerful enemies through being clever - and sacrifice.

Sure, Ultron knocked Thor and Vision around a bit - not doing any noticable harm to Vision, and bloodying Thor a little. In raw physical strength one on one he's much stronger than any of the Guardians, and much tougher ( I think "weaken" is an understatement about how absolutely knackered he was after being blasted by Vision, Thor and Cap).

Given that they have access to technology at least as advanced, if not more so, than Ultron - and have displayed tactical thinking waaaaaaaaayyyyy more advanced than Ultron ( the height of his tactical thinking is " I'm going to build an army of robots" ) . Ultron was just a homicidal, crazy AI - and not a very smart one ( Tony was able to come up with a way to utterly defeat his world destroying plan, in about 5 minutes in the middle of a battle).

In a straight up one to one fight all the Guardians would lose - but I suggest to you that that's not how they roll, also they're willing to sacrifice their lives for each other, and that's a power that Ultron will never have or even comprehend.

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Batmannerism]

GOTG

Hard fought battle but the Guadians would come out on top. Numerical advantage and craftiness would lend them the win.

On a side topic, have to say that Ultron remains the best villain from Phase 2. Elevated by James Spader's fun performance.

Yeah I felt that they restrained Spader too much - that Ultron wasn't actually that menacing or crazy, just kind of petulant and bitter. I feel as though he could have been great but was just okay - better than Malekith or Ronan, but nowhere near as menacing as the Winter Soldier ( IMO the best phase 2 villain).

A really creepy and memorable performance as a homicidal AI was Hugo Weaving in the Matrix. That would have been more along the lines they could have taken with Ultron IMO.

 

[Docker2.0]

Guardians of the Galaxy wins a close one 3-2. Next up:
Batroc the Leper

vs Daredevil

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

Guardians of the Galaxy wins a close one 3-2. Next up:
Batroc the Leper

vs Daredevil

Who you got peeps?

DD NP.

 

[Luigi]

Daredevil

This would have been a fun fight to watch.

 

[Stormborn]

Daredevil. No contest.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Batroc

 

[InCali]

Batroc

Here you and Docker go again......

 

[Batmannerism]

Guardians of the Galaxy wins a close one 3-2. Next up:
Batroc the Leper

vs Daredevil

Who you got peeps?

Have to say Dare Devil, very narrowly although we haven't seen Batroc with weapons.

Assuming both are using hand to hand only I give Matt an edge for his super senses. However, he's nowhere near as tough as Cap so Batroc would likely give him quite a beating.

Even based on what we saw in TWS and the Defenders Batroc is noticeably quicker and more agile than DD - which you would expect because he's freakin GSP !

If Batroc had GSP ' s full skillset then I might give this to Batroc once the fight went to the ground.

So, in a stand up fight DD 6/10 and Batroc 4/10.

BTW it's Batroc the "Leaper" - Batroc the Leper is probably missing a few too many bits to put up an effective fight against anyone.

 

[InCali]

Have to say Dare Devil, very narrowly although we haven't seen Batroc with weapons.

Assuming both are using hand to hand only I give Matt an edge for his super senses. However, he's nowhere near as tough as Cap so Batroc would likely give him quite a beating.

Even based on what we saw in TWS and the Defenders Batroc is noticeably quicker and more agile than DD - which you would expect because he's freakin GSP !

If Batroc had GSP ' s full skillset then I might give this to Batroc once the fight went to the ground.

So, in a stand up fight DD 6/10 and Batroc 4/10.

BTW it's Batroc the "Leaper" - Batroc the Leper is probably missing a few too many bits to put up an effective fight against anyone.

Leper....LOL. The thing is that we don't really have a DD in MCU. The DD in the Netflix show wasn't in the same class (fight wise or otherwise) as the DD in the comics. TBH, I sorta think of DD as the guy in the comics

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Leper....LOL. The thing is that we don't really have a DD in MCU. The DD in the Netflix show wasn't in the same class (fight wise or otherwise) as the DD in the comics. TBH, I sorta think of DD as the guy in the comics

Now you know why I voted against him. This Batroc could push back the super strong Cap, I'm not going to vote in favor of the guy who was physically overwhelmed by Melvin Potter the tailor.

 

[Stormborn]

MCU Batroc's a non-powered human with no feats except losing a very brief fight against Cap. Respect where it's due, Batroc got the drop on Cap and then lasted about 30 seconds, but it's heavily implied Cap wasn't taking it seriously (he put his shield away to show off and probably pulled his punches).

On the other hand, MCU Daredevil has feats actually winning fights against

• opponents who were extremely tough/skilled, armed and going for the kill (Nobu, Kingpin, Punisher, Bullseye)
  
• entire criminal gangs (even whilst injured)
• small armies of hand ninjas.

Hell, he even has his own feat holding his own against an extremely skilled superhuman opponent going for the kill (resurrected Elektra, who was strong enough to KO Luke Cage).

 

[Docker2.0]

Here you and Docker go again......

Guess who I'm voting for..........
Like Spider-Aziz said, Batroc went toe to toe with Cap and was able to push him back. Would be interesting to see Daredevil vs Cap but have to go with Batroc for now.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Guess who I'm voting for..........
Like Spider-Aziz said, Batroc went toe to toe with Cap and was able to push him back. Would be interesting to see Daredevil vs Cap but have to go with Batroc for now.

MCU Batroc's a non-powered human with no feats except losing a very brief fight against Cap. Respect where it's due, Batroc got the drop on Cap and then lasted about 30 seconds, but it's heavily implied Cap wasn't taking it seriously (he put his shield away to show off and probably pulled his punches).

On the other hand, MCU Daredevil has feats actually winning fights against

• opponents who were extremely tough/skilled, armed and going for the kill (Nobu, Kingpin, Punisher, Bullseye)
  
• entire criminal gangs (even whilst injured)
• small armies of hand ninjas.

Hell, he even has his own feat holding his own against an extremely skilled superhuman opponent going for the kill (resurrected Elektra, who was strong enough to KO Luke Cage).

Cap went easy on the super strong Spider-Man, that kid lost too.

Daredevil getting more powerful is mostly unearned, he wore an armor and can suddenly beat Kingpin toe to toe. At least he beat Nobu once before he beat him a second time.
When did he win against Punisher? You mean the time Punisher had his foot drilled and both walked out together?

Also, Daredevil earned the power to suddenly win against a group after losing to them through the sheer power of the technique known as plot armor. He was cut by multiple knives and then stitches made him faster for some reason.