MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Evidently Thor solos on the black order but I digress. Next up:

Spiderman

Vs Aldrich Killian

Who you got peeps?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Tony out of armor can punch him off if I remember right, but Aldrich does heal and recovers fast as Spider-Man is not into killing.

Maybe Aldrich will feel like Spider-Man did when the latter was hit by a train, so I'll give the edge to SPIDEY.

 

[Batmannerism]

Tony out of armor can punch him off if I remember right, but Aldrich does heal and recovers fast as Spider-Man is not into killing.

Maybe Aldrich will feel like Spider-Man did when the latter was hit by a train, so I'll give the edge to SPIDEY.

Killian's powers can also be unstable. He might just as well overheat and melt down.

I give it to Spidey 7/10. If Spider Man really fought to his potential he would wipe out most of his villains, so I think he takes out Killian here most of the time. After all, under the hairstyle and the powers Killian is really a nerd with an inferiority complex.

 

[ernesth100]

If we're giving him Iron Spider as suggested in pic. He kills Aldrich. Instant Kill mode and I'm sure the suits AI will find the easiest way to decapitate or destroy Aldrich if Peter is in danger.

Not to mention Spider-Sense makes Peter untouchable. He's barely been hit in the series this far unless tricked or distracted. And I doubt much is going to distract Peter from a 1v1 battle with discount Molten Man.

That is to say Peter could lose still, the Extremis can burn through armor. If Peter gets grabbed his suit could suffer some damage before he can use one of his many features.

Still though that leaves the same strength he uses to lifts buses, hold ferry together.

 

[metaphysician]

If they gang up on Thor though. He still has Loki, who was easily able to withstand a few slams from the Hulk, a repulsor blast from Iron Man and toss around Cap like nothing.

I'd argue durability equates at least somewhat to strength in Asgardian terms. So there's a high chance Loki could handle Corvus and Proxima while Thor takes out Ebony and Cull the only real possible threats.

Oh, absolutely. Honestly, I'm pretty sure Loki could wreck Proxima and Corvus, its only with the two heavier hitters that things get dicy. Which is why I call the smartest play being "Thor face tanks the lot of them while Loki plays invisible/illusion death flanker". Force the Black Order to choose between focusing on the big scary thunder god and getting backstabbed to death, or focusing on the ninja-wizard and getting smote. Heads they lose, tails they also lose.

 

[metaphysician]

Spider-man vs the Mandarin:

Okay, Peter's chances against Killian hinge entirely on the Iron Spider suit. Without that, this is a non-fight that Killian wins easily. With it. . . honestly, I think you all are under rating Killian. He's a dude who proved able to both tank and dodge attacks from Iron Man, and pretty much every time he touched a Stark-tech suit he destroyed it. The only way he was actually taken down involved first self-destructing an Iron Man armor with him inside it, and *then* shoving a missile inside him to detonate internally. Peter has much better mobility, sure, but I am iffy about how much damage he would actually do. Yes, the "instant kill mode", but based on the actual evidence in the movie I'm leery of assuming it hits as hard as a full powered repulser or IM fist, not when the only thing it did was "munch mooks".

I'd say Killian takes this 8/10. I give Peter one for "plays rope a dope until Killian tires out or overheats", and one for "Peter comes up with a smart usage of his available resources that I didn't think of". I'm not willing to go above that until and unless we get *much* better info on exactly what the Iron Spider armor can do, because I am not going to automatically assume "Iron Man Armor Stats" without evidence and where we know for sure the suit is built with different functionality in mind from Tony's ( or Rhodey's, or Pepper's ).

( And for the record, yes, I'd give Killian similar odds against anyone else in Spider-man's weight class. Cap wouldn't want to try to solo Killian, either. )

 

[Luigi]

Aldrich Killian

He's pretty much untouchable as far as Peter is concerned. Killian only needs a small opening to grab a hold of Peter and tear apart his suit. As for Killian overheating, he seemed far more stable than his goons so I have my doubts about it.

 

[Fosterson]

Spider-man vs the Mandarin:

Okay, Peter's chances against Killian hinge entirely on the Iron Spider suit. Without that, this is a non-fight that Killian wins easily. With it. . . honestly, I think you all are under rating Killian. He's a dude who proved able to both tank and dodge attacks from Iron Man, and pretty much every time he touched a Stark-tech suit he destroyed it. The only way he was actually taken down involved first self-destructing an Iron Man armor with him inside it, and *then* shoving a missile inside him to detonate internally.

I agree that Killian often gets downplayed. He was a lame villain so it's easy to forget how powerful he and his Extremis brethren were.

I don't really see how Spidey wins here. Killian effortlessly tanked shots from multiple Iron Man suits and easily kept up with the Shotgun armour (which was designed to be a super-fast suit), even dodging repulsor blasts at close-range. So punching won't work and neither will webbing since Killian can easily burn through it.

The only wild card here is the mechanical arms on Peter's suit. Maybe they can deal a fatal blow, but I'm really not sure given all we've seen them kill are fodder.

Killian takes a majority IMO.

 

[Fosterson]

Killian's powers can also be unstable. He might just as well overheat and melt down.

Possible but Killian never showed any signs of overheating in the movie. It took the combination of being trapped in an exploding Iron Man suit AND then being exploded by a tank missile to kill him. Aside from that he walked off repulsor blasts with ease.

It seemed to be mostly the new inductees into the Extremis program who kept overheating and exploding, whereas Killian and his top lieutenants appeared to have it fully under control.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm going Killian so we finish with a 3-3 tie!
Next up:
Cap and Bucky

Vs IronMonger

Who you got peeps?

 

[ernesth100]

I gotta say Iron Monger. Durability is far too high for any hand to hand action from Bucky. And his weapons won't do anything.

This leaves Cap after a few missiles end Bucky. If Cap can lodge the shield into the arc reactor he can win.

But Iron Monger is so large. I doubt it'll do much for just one well placed shot. Eventually he loses the shield and gets torn to shreds or crushed. Iron Monger 7/10.

Bucky and Cap win only if they both focus on the arc reactor.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm going Killian so we finish with a 3-3 tie!
Next up:
Cap and Bucky

Vs IronMonger

Who you got peeps?

Cap and Bucky, no question. If they can beat a much more advanced version Iron Man they can beat Iron Monger.

 

[ernesth100]

Actually yeah, I change my vote. Realistically, Cap and Bucky are too fast for Iron Monger to hit. Also that Arc reactor is massive now that I'm looking. One well placed shot from Bucky's arm or Caps shield should do it.

Plus, Cap was able to pulls helicopter and hold back Thanos's arm with his strength maxed out. He's also technically worth at this point I think. So that must account for something. Lol.

And even if it doesn't. These two's stamina and relentlessness far exceeds the likely power threshold this suit has. Not to mention the moment he opens that slow ass head guard of his he's done for. One shot from Bucky and it's light outs.

Still Iron Monger is also a genius in a very powerful suit. I'm sure seeing a man with a gun and metal arm and Captain friggin America will register quickly in his mind and he'll act accordingly.

I'd say it's actually more even at Cap and Bucky winning 6/10 times. The few times the loose are the times an explosive or powerful attack kills one of them. I have no doubt a well placed missile or machine gun barrage would tear even Bucky and Cap apart.

 

[metaphysician]

Cap and Bucky vs Iron Monger:

You know how the Cap and Bucky vs Iron Man fight went? Well, this is the two of them against a foe who is much larger, much more unwieldy, less powerful, less skilled, and with weapons that are much more ammo restricted. Its not going to be a *quick* fight necessarily, but Team Cap is going to win every time. The only way Obadiah can force a draw is to simply fly into the air and run away, but he certainly isn't taking them out with distant strafing, not until he's long since ran out of ammo. And on the ground, its basically a game of "One hero draws fire and full dodges, while the other breaks a portion of Iron Monger's armor". Continue until Obadiah can't fight anymore.

 

[InCali]

Team Brooklyn (MCU version).

 

[Spider-Aziz]

STEVE & BUCKY

For reasons already disclosed.

Team Brooklyn (MCU version).

Speaking of Brooklyn; both Doctor Erksine and Peter Parker received the "Where you from?" question from Steve, and both answered; Queens.
The Winter Soldier did not complete the "dude from Queens" trilogy.

 

[Docker2.0]

Cap and Bucky win. Next up:
Vision

vs the Hulk

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

Cap and Bucky win. Next up:
Vision

vs the Hulk

Who you got peeps?

Depends whether you're talking about stupid Vision or smart Vision. We've seen a lot of the former and a little of the latter.

 

[Docker2.0]

Depends whether you're talking about stupid Vision or smart Vision. We've seen a lot of the former and a little of the latter.

Overall Vision!! Pick someone man!!!

 

[Fosterson]

Depends whether you're talking about stupid Vision or smart Vision. We've seen a lot of the former and a little of the latter.

I'm not sure it's fair to call Vision in IW stupid. He was caught off-guard by Corvus Glaive stabbing him from behind, which left him greatly weakened for the rest of the movie. I don't think any other character would have fared much better in his situation, with the possible exception of Captain Marvel.

OT: I actually think Vision wins here. He just has too much going for him with the Mind Stone, flight, intangibility and Thor-level strength.

 

[InCali]

Overall Vision!! Pick someone man!!!

Overall Vision? The one from Kentucky?

Then I’ll call it a draw 5/10 just to piss you off.

I don’t see Vision defeating Hulk but can’t see Hulk getting close enough to hurt him.

After an hour or so they get hungry and go have some sushi.

 

[Docker2.0]

Overall Vision? The one from Kentucky?

Then I’ll call it a draw 5/10 just to piss you off.

I don’t see Vision defeating Hulk but can’t see Hulk getting close enough to hurt him.

After an hour or so they get hungry and go have some sushi.

 

[Luigi]

Vision

Simply put, you can't hurt what you can't touch.

 

[Batmannerism]

Comic book Hulk destroys comic book or MCU Vision.

If we go by form from the films......

Avengers Hulk could smash one of Thanos' giant flying eel things with a single blow and ate a sustained volley of blasts from a small flotilla of Chitauri battle sleds, without being seriously harmed.

In Ragnarok he could take full strength punches, from Thor and be staggered but not be knocked out, and could hit a mountain sized Surtur hard enough to make him stumble.

In age of Ultron Hulk was KO'd by a cheap shot from Hulkbuster, after a building fell on him. In the comics this would not happen.

The gif is of the Norton Incredible Hulk, who is significantly less powerful and tough.

Professor Hulk, at full strength, could probably figure out a way to beat Vision - the comic enraged Hulk with his nearly limitless strength and durability could probably stand up to Vision's phasing attack, and destroy Vision with a punch.

So what does all that add up to ? Well despite Vision being a complete mug after Age of Ultron, he could still probably beat the Norton Hulk.

So I'll say Vision 6/10. What's not really explored in the films, that happens in the comics, is that when Vision phases through a person and then starts to increase his density, it also puts a strain on him as well as the target - once he phased through the Blob, and increased to near normal density, without knocking Blob out or seriously injuring him - and being near solid, Rogue then knocked him out.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

THE INCREDIBLE HULK

The gif is of the Norton Incredible Hulk, who is significantly less powerful and tough.

Actually; when he fought Abomonation he was in a weakened state for most of the battle due to being injected by Stern's cure, once he regained full strength while worried about the safety of Betty his iris turned glowing green. Earlier in the movie he took huge leaps from Brazil to Guatemala and reached there pretty quick, and that required more strength than what was shown in Avengers when he was out of control.