MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[InCali]

SM

 

[Docker2.0]

SM

Samantha Mack?! If you are going to go with those type of heroes, at least pick Mandy Muse or Kelsi Monroe!

 

[InCali]

Sadomasochism always wins out.

 

[metaphysician]

Mysterio vs Not-So-Amazing Spider-Man:

Hmm. I'd say it heavily depends on the nature of the conflict. Is this Mysterio with the EDITH swarm, or just his earlier handful of drones? Does Beck have the same rough amount of knowledge about his opponent, or a blank slate? Does *Peter* get to know about Mysterio being an illusionist, or not?

I generally lean to Mysterio winning, because TASM Spidey is ultimately a wishy washy idiot who would be susceptible to a manipulative sociopath talking at him ( at least long enough to eat an invisible Starktech force blast to the head ), but it would vary. Like, if Beck knows nothing about this version of Spider-man, only has his initial gear, and Peter knows he's an illusionist from the outset, Peter probably wins anyway. OTOH, if Beck starts with EDITH swarm and a reasonably good dossier on Peter ( ie, equivalent to what he started FFH with ), versus a Peter who thinks he's a wizard? Sucks to be Peter ( moreso than normal for being in the TASM movies, ahem ).

 

[Docker2.0]

Spiderman wins. But let's keep up with the Spiderman theme. I like it. Next up:

Spiderman

Vs the Dora Milaje

Who you got peeps?

 

[Fosterson]

Given that the Dora Milaje are psychopaths prone to trying to murder people on sight for no reason, they'll have no qualms about butchering a 15 year-old.

On the other hand, Peter is a lot stronger and if he keeps his distance, he can just web them up. But it could get messy if he tries H2H.

 

[Docker2.0]

Given that the Dora Milaje are psychopaths prone to trying to murder people on sight for no reason, they'll have no qualms about butchering a 15 year-old.

On the other hand, Peter is a lot stronger and if he keeps his distance, he can just web them up. But it could get messy if he tries H2H.

You forgot to pick ONE side.

 

[Fosterson]

You forgot to pick ONE side.

I think Peter takes a majority.

 

[Batmannerism]

Spiderman wins. But let's keep up with the Spiderman theme. I like it. Next up:

Spiderman

Vs the Dora Milaje

Who you got peeps?

There is no way the Dora Milaje should be able to beat Spider Man given that they are humans and he can survive being hit by a train without serious injury.

However, Spider Man in Homecoming was ****ing useless, a bunch of mooks with laser guns were a problem for him. So that Spider Man might fall prey to their superior tech - not just the spears, they'll need more than that.

Civil War Spider Man would easily beat them. He managed to knock over Cap, and take out Giant Man which is impressive.

Infinity War and Endgame Spider Man survived a brief attack on Thanos and a massive battle with Thanos' army. The Dora Milaje haven't a prayer against that kind of form.

FFH Spider Man, by the end, is so fast, tough and clever ( plus the Peter tingle) the Dora Milaje shouldnt be able to touch him.

Peter is at least as enhanced as a super soldier ( probably a lot more !) and the Flag Smashers, who don't have any significant combat skills that we are told about, were able to kill a special forces soldier with a single punch.

In the fight against Sam, Bucky and Walker clearly Bucky and Sam weren't really trying and the story needed them to be able to beat Walker, kind of the offense version of plot armour.

I like the Dora Milaje but come on - against enhanced Kilmonger, he was able to take on four of them at once.

 

[InCali]

Spiderman wins. But let's keep up with the Spiderman theme. I like it. Next up:

Spiderman

Vs the Dora Milaje

Who you got peeps?

SM

 

[metaphysician]

Spider-man vs Dore Milaje:

Technically speaking there is a big question left open here- how *many* Dore Milaje? The Dore are normal humans, if with elite training and advanced gear, but they would normally lose to Spider-man ( who is faster, stronger, and more mobile ). This is assuming a reasonable number of them, is the thing; if Peter is taking on like a hundred Dore Milaje in the arena, then he's probably going to lose simply because there are too many of them and he's eventually going to get tired or unlucky and miss a dodge or run out of webbing ammo.

So basically, Spider-man wins, as long as this is only against a typical squad of them. Three or four of them is not going to be enough to overcome his mobility advantage.

 

[Luigi]

Spidey

Homecoming Peter might be an inexperienced rookie but he still possesses superhuman qualities.

 

[Docker2.0]

Spiderman wins. Next up:

Spiderman

vs Ronan the Accuser

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

Spiderman wins. Next up:

Spiderman

vs Ronan the Accuser

Who you got peeps?

SM

 

[Imjenn]

Ronan easily withstood Drax, who is at least comparable in strength to Spider-man. Now, Spider-man has much higher agility, ranged attacks with his webbing, and his quips would be able to distract Ronan in the same manner as a dance off.

Ronan himself is very strong, so after a few hits Spidey is going down. Also his hammer has shown ranged attacks as well, so distance is not as problematic. He also seems to have skill in hand to hand techniques, which Spider-man lacks.

I vote Ronan.

 

[InCali]

Ronan easily withstood Drax, who is at least comparable in strength to Spider-man. Now, Spider-man has much higher agility, ranged attacks with his webbing, and his quips would be able to distract Ronan in the same manner as a dance off.

Ronan himself is very strong, so after a few hits Spidey is going down. Also his hammer has shown ranged attacks as well, so distance is not as problematic. He also seems to have skill in hand to hand techniques, which Spider-man lacks.

I vote Ronan.

Boo...

 

[Docker2.0]

Boo...

 

[Batmannerism]

Ronan, is one tough cookie. I don't think Spidey can hit him hard enough to put him down unless he gets really clever and causes a building to fall on him.

I'll say Ronan wins 7/10 times.

 

[Fosterson]

Nice to see Ronan getting some respect. It might take him a while due to Spidey's agility and webbing, but all he needs are a few solid hits to end this.

Ronan wins.

 

[metaphysician]

Spider-man vs Ronan:
This really should go to Ronan. Yes, Spider-man is faster and more mobile, but this shouldn't matter all that much against an opponent he probably can't hurt, and Ronan even without the Power Stone still looked to be both brickier and more skilled than Drax. The only real question mark here is the Iron Spider armor, since like in all fights involving it, it is really vague how powerful it actually is. Its a strength and toughness boost, but how much of one? Vague, and "vague boost" isn't something I would grant a victory based solely upon.

 

[Luigi]

Ronan would hardly give Peter a second thought. He would breeze through him.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ronan wins. Next up:

Guardians of the Galaxy

vs Agatha Harkness

Who you got peeps?

 

[Fosterson]

Agatha. The fact that she was giving Wanda trouble is enough to make me believe that the GOTG are outmatched here.

 

[Docker2.0]

Agatha. The fact that she was giving Wanda trouble is enough to make me believe that the GOTG are outmatched here.

So you not going to use Earth magic vs alien technology or how it works differently because they are not from Earth?! I expected more from you..................

 

[metaphysician]

So you not going to use Earth magic vs alien technology or how it works differently because they are not from Earth?! I expected more from you..................

Why would anyone believe for a second that magic would suddenly not-work on people just because they happen to be from another planet? Not only is there precisely zero evidence to even suggest that could be an issue, but there is evidence of exactly the opposite: both Wanda and Strange's powers worked just fine against extraterrestrials ( to put it mildly! ), and both Thor and Loki's worked just fine against people from a wide variety of worlds not-their-own.

Anyway, Agatha should take this, *if* we assume its Agatha at the power level in WandaVision. Which is probably *not* her normal power level, since she had been soaking up Wanda's ambient power for days/weeks, but its also the only power level we really have for Agatha. And not only did she demonstrate both power comparable to Wanda, but she also demonstrated skill/power sufficient that a blind side physical attack couldn't take her out, and that is what would otherwise be the Guardians best bet. She's not invincible ( she probably wouldn't want to let Gamora stab her in the back, or allow Rocket infinite time to build munitions ), but in a realistic confrontation she shouldn't have to give the Guardians a chance to do anything.