MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

This is basically the same as the Seven versus the New Avengers. There's just too much power on team Asgard and too little power or potential to circumvent that power on team Iron Man.

Vision could maybe make a fight of it against Loki. Maybe Black Panther and Spider-man together could take out Valkyrie. I'm not 100% convinced, but maybe. War Machine and Iron Man together could possibly keep Thor busy for a minute or two, but have no chance of actually beating him.

Widow doesn't have the powers or the weapons to hurt anyone on team Asgard nor the durability to stand up to a single hit from any of them. And no one on team Iron Man has any hope of taking out the Hulk in a fight. The only hope TIM has is if Widow is capable of neutralizing Hulk with the whole 'Sun's getting real low' thing, but that only works when Hulk allows it to work. And even if it did work and Vision did take out Loki and Panther and SM did take down Val, they would all be so worse for the wear that the whole team together still couldn't take down Thor.

Actually, I had forgotten about Widow being able to calm the Hulk - that's a very good point. Not sure if it would work in the middle of a battle but it might distract Hulk or maybe get him to attack his own team if one of them takes Widow out.

Ultimately, I still think team Thor has too much raw power, even without the Hulk.

 

[metaphysician]

Team Asgard vs Team Iron Man:

Yeah, Team Asgard takes this 10/10. Team Iron Man would have a hard time taking down any *one* of Team Asgard, even with numbers advantage and Vision being an underrated powerhouse. All four? Not happening, even with the best tactics and sacrifice plays.

 

[VictusMortuus]

Asgard wins this and then have a laugh over drinks at how easy their battle was. Hulk I imagine quite enjoys his Asgardian Mead in his new cup that is Iron-Man’s helmet.

 

[Luigi]

Team Asgard

Thor, Hulk and Val dominate Team Iron Man meanwhile Loki spectates from a distance as he usually does.

 

[Batmannerism]

Something that bugged me about the final What If episodes was that Vision was able to one shot Thanos with the mind stone. If it was that powerful, why didn't Vision just kill Thanos with it when he showed up ?

Oh wait, because the script needed the rest of the plot to happen.

 

[metaphysician]

I mean, the Infinity Stones are cosmically powerful, its not out of line that it could be theoretically used to one-shot him. The problem is that actually using the Infinity Stones is apparently really hard, and actual-Vision never showed any real competence at the higher levels of power. Maybe Ultron would have been better at it, but ehhh, I'm a little doubtful.

 

[Docker2.0]

Team Asgard wins. Next up:

Whiplash

vs Shang Chi

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

I mean, the Infinity Stones are cosmically powerful, its not out of line that it could be theoretically used to one-shot him. The problem is that actually using the Infinity Stones is apparently really hard, and actual-Vision never showed any real competence at the higher levels of power. Maybe Ultron would have been better at it, but ehhh, I'm a little doubtful.

If the mind stone was that powerful shouldn't it have scrapped Ultron prime in A of U, without the assist from Thor and Tony ?

Vision's supposed incompetence, or hesitance to use the stone's full power against a living opponent , okay Ultron wouldn't hesitate to do so but even then should that be enough to Bisect Thanos, who at least partially resisted the Scarlet Witch's power - and was wearing the infinity gauntlet which can negate energy type attacks ?

There are probably rational explanations for it, but I felt it was done very cheaply in What If.
Just my personal feeling really.

 

[Batmannerism]

Team Asgard wins. Next up:

Whiplash


vs Shang Chi

Who you got peeps?!

Well..... Im not really a fan of Wuxia films ( with a few exceptions ) but I'd say:

Shang Chi with the ten rings....20/10

Shang Chi with no rings but Ta Lo bull**** wuxia powers 10/10.

Shang Chi with no rings, no Ta Lo bull**** wuxia powers but with his kung fu skills ( which do confer some degree of wuxia bull****)
Still at least 7/10 - unless the fight happens on a bus, then it's 10/10.

The simple truth is that as powerful as whiplash's whips are....he's never going to hit Shang Chi and Shang Chi could probably knock out Whiplash with a couple of punches or kicks.

 

[Bayne]

Yeah, Whiplash is an amateur fighter with an awkward and hard to control weapon. It's good enough to hit the less than agile Iron Man suit in close range. It's not going to hit Shang-Chi.

 

[metaphysician]

If the mind stone was that powerful shouldn't it have scrapped Ultron prime in A of U, without the assist from Thor and Tony ?

Vision's supposed incompetence, or hesitance to use the stone's full power against a living opponent , okay Ultron wouldn't hesitate to do so but even then should that be enough to Bisect Thanos, who at least partially resisted the Scarlet Witch's power - and was wearing the infinity gauntlet which can negate energy type attacks ?

There are probably rational explanations for it, but I felt it was done very cheaply in What If.
Just my personal feeling really.

It doesn't seem to me to be a matter of "reluctance to use it", but that most or all the Infinity Stones are *literally* hard to use. It takes an a lot of very specific knowledge, and no small degree of personal power, in order to tap their abilities at the higher levels. If you don't know what you are doing, you can only do relatively low level work with them, blow yourself up, or both. Its not as simple as Press Button For Cosmic Power, and even if you know how powerful the Stone could be, doesn't mean you can use it effectively.

Oh, as for Whiplash vs Shang-Chi, hmm. Assuming its just "Shang-Chi on the bus" as the picture indicated, I'd say Shang-Chi takes a narrow majority. Ultimately, Ivan Vanko in his original rig is a longer reach, less skilled version of Razorfist. Avoiding the whips and getting in close to land a hit are not trivial challenges, but Shang-Chi should be able to manage more often than not. If he's got Ta-Lo gear or the Rings, it switches to "Shang wins every time" ( I'm fairly confident the dragonscale staves could be used the parry the whips, and that is basically that ).

 

[Docker2.0]

It's Whiplash vs Shang Chi with no rings. Why didn't my gif show up the first time?! Eh, it's here now so yeah..........

 

[Luigi]

Shang-Chi

Yeah, Shang-Chi has this in the bag, he'd be able to dodge Ivan's attacks and close the distance to knock him out.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Shang-Chi 100%, even the non-powered up version.

 

[Docker2.0]

Shang Chi wins. Next up:

Iron Monger

vs Moon Knight

Who you got peeps!?

 

[Luigi]

Moon Knight

Much more experienced with a vast array of weapons, Obadiah doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Batmannerism]

Shang Chi wins. Next up:

Iron Monger

vs Moon Knight

Who you got peeps!?

Not sure it Stane's weapons can do more than temporary harm, because MK's powers are so poorly defined. On the flip side, I dont see MK's weapons being all that effective against a heavily armoured suit.

All in all Id say they'd smash the crap out of each other until MK scored a lucky hit and disable an important system.

So MK 5.5 /10.

 

[metaphysician]

Iron Monger vs Moon Knight:

Huh. Moon Knight's powers are a little vague, but he seems to generally be in Captain America class physically. I'd say he probably wins, but its only like a 6/10 victory. He doesn't have Cap's peerless skill and literally indestructible blocking weapon, and while he's got good regen, I'm iffy on how much Marc would be able to keep fighting if he actually got hit by any of Iron Monger's weapons. Being impaled by a couple spears was survivable but impeding, I suspect being riddled with cannon fire would be notably worse.

Obviously, this goes out the door if Khonshu happens to directly manifest or channel major godpower through Marc, but that isn't a standard or reliable part of Moon Knight's power set. Its not like I can think of any reason why Khonshu would especially care about Obadiah Stane one way or another.

 

[Luigi]

Moon Knight wins. Next up:

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)

vs.

Kro

Who wins?

 

[Docker2.0]

................Who's Kro?

 

[Luigi]

Guess you haven't seen Eternals yet.

 

[Batmannerism]

Moon Knight wins. Next up:

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)

vs.

Kro

Who wins?

Kro is tough but Iron Man has a huge mobility advantage and its unclear if his energy sucking tentacle attack would work against Iron Man's power source.

Even assuming that it does, he needs to get into hand to hand range to do that....not going to happen.

Iron Man at least 8/10 on this one.

 

[BoredGuy]

Not even the Eternals would know who Kro is, lol

 

[Docker2.0]

Oh he's the Eternal's bad guy!! Had no idea. Anyway I'm going IronMan. The Deviants all seem to be paper fodder tbh.

 

[metaphysician]

Iron Man vs Kro:

I mean, this wouldn't be a pushover or anything, but yeah, Iron Man should win eventually. Kro is tanky but has little or nothing in the way of ranged attacks, and I am 99% certain that his energy drain attack would be useless ( it seemed to be specifically ganking Eternal cosmic energy ). Essentially this fight would boil down to "Iron Man stands off and rains down sundry ranged attacks, while Kro sits there tanking stuff and throwing stuff, until one of them eventually gets tired". And I don't see Kro successfully beating Tony via endurance, not when he pretty much has to stop and spend an action to heal ( versus easy passive regen ).

I suppose if it were an actual encounter, it'd probably be a stalemate where eventually one or the other breaks off the fight ( if nothing else Kro could do some kind of big innocents-threatening smash attack, then jump good while Tony is busy rescuing bystanders ), but in the arena? Iron Man takes it more often than not.