MCU X-Men - Part 1

[Marvel united]

If they go with that characterization, then yeah. It's part of the reason I don't think Angel will make the cut (I suspect they'll want only 2-3 white actors like in Homecoming and that they'll prioritize other white X-Men over him).

Angel should be in the movie. Like many mutants, he's gotten pretty crappy treatment from Fox and he was part of the original lineup

 

[Iceman]

I wonder how many X-Men they will deem appropriate for a first film.

 

[Lip]

5-6 is a good number.

And I believe by the time we get the first X-Men movie, there will already be mutants popping up in different franchises

 

[Mad Ones]

This thread really demonstrates how canonicity and continuity help entrench whiteness as "core," as fundamental, and as sacred, all in the name of iconicity.

 

[Iceman]

5-6 is a good number.

And I believe by the time we get the first X-Men movie, there will already be mutants popping up in different franchises

I'd like to see some of them make prior appearances in other films. Going to be a crazy time when we start getting news of which characters they've gone with.

 

[Shikamaru]

I think they'll start with 6 X-Men and a 1:1 male-to-female ratio like in Homecoming. Something very close to this but with the X-Men:

Spoiler

6 is also the number of Avengers they started with. Seems like a very Kevin Feige thing to do.

Scott, Jean and Ororo are a given, imo. The question then becomes who the other two males and one female will be.

 

[Lip]

I'd like to see some of them make prior appearances in other films. Going to be a crazy time when we start getting news of which characters they've gone with.

Scott, Jean and Ororo for me are a must. The rest is a bonus. I want the first movies to focus on them and establish them as the core of the team.

And I'd love to see Logan appearing in a solo movie before appearing in a X-Men movie. Give the X-Men some time without Logan, please.

 

[Marvel united]

I think they'll start with 6 X-Men and a 1:1 male-to-female ratio like in Homecoming. Something very close to this but with the X-Men:

Spoiler

6 is also the number of Avengers they started with. Seems like a very Kevin Feige thing to do.

Scott, Jean and Ororo are a given, imo. The question then becomes who the other two males and one female will be.

Scott, Jean, Ororo, Bobby, Hank and Jubilee

 

[Iceman]

Scott, Jean and Ororo for me are a must. The rest is a bonus. I want the first movies to focus on them and establish them as the core of the team.

And I'd love to see Logan appearing in a solo movie before appearing in a X-Men movie. Give the X-Men some time without Logan, please.

Those 3 are a must yeah. I'd love to see an X-Men film be really successful without Wolverine. And then he can always turn up in a sequel (maybe a credit scene in the first) and boost the series even more. I just want the GA to see how good the other X-Men are and that there are plenty of great possibilities even without him.

 

[Iceman]

I think they'll start with 6 X-Men and a 1:1 male-to-female ratio like in Homecoming. Something very close to this but with the X-Men:

Spoiler

6 is also the number of Avengers they started with. Seems like a very Kevin Feige thing to do.

Scott, Jean and Ororo are a given, imo. The question then becomes who the other two males and one female will be.

I think the ratio should be at least 1:1, maybe even in favour of females for once.

I'd like Beast and Iceman to make up the core team and then pick from Rogue, Psylocke and Jubilee. Jubilee wouldn't have to count as an official team member just yet.

 

[psylockolussus]

Scott
Jean
Betsy
Rogue
Ororo
Remy
Bobby
Hank
Warren

That would be my choice. They are already established. I'd save Xavier and the other X-Men squad for the final scene.

 

[Lip]

I think the ratio should be at least 1:1, maybe even in favour of females for once.

I'd like Beast and Iceman to make up the core team and then pick from Rogue, Psylocke and Jubilee. Jubilee wouldn't have to count as an official team member just yet.

I'd rather see Kitty as the teenager of the team. Now part of me want her as a POV character in the first movie, but other part want to wait a while before introducing her.

But I still prefer Kitty over Jubilee and I'm not sure if they'll repeat the "teenage girl from the team" twice.

 

[Iceman]

Scott
Jean
Betsy
Rogue
Ororo
Remy
Bobby
Hank
Warren

That would be my choice. They are already established. I'd save Xavier and the other X-Men squad for the final scene.

I think Gambit will be saved and can't imagine them starting with no Xavier.

 

[Iceman]

I'd rather see Kitty as the teenager of the team. Now part of me want her as a POV character in the first movie, but other part want to wait a while before introducing her.

But I still prefer Kitty over Jubilee and I'm not sure if they'll repeat the "teenage girl from the team" twice.

That would make sense but it would make that diversity aim even more difficult.

 

[Lip]

That would make sense but it would make that diversity aim even more difficult.

Then we go back to the debate we were having about race changing.

 

[Marvel united]

Then we go back to the debate we were having about race changing.

The race changing thing works best if the WHOLE team starts out young not just one member. Since they'd be representing Today's demographic and youth. That was the basis for why Homecoming made the effort to have its "High-School" be as diverse as it was. This is the root of the argument for it. Having a team that's been around since the late 90s-early 2000s with most of them in their 30s heavily dillutes the argument for race swaps in my opinion

 

[Iceman]

Then we go back to the debate we were having about race changing.

Maybe they could do both as students in the first film who don't take up spots as official members. Like we got in the Singer films but just with a higher profile. Might be nice seeing a bond develop between the 2 before they are one day thrown into the front line too early due to some major event. From a purely commercial point of view, Jubilee could really take off in Asian markets if done right, Psylocke too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think Gambit will be saved and can't imagine them starting with no Xavier.

Well Wolverine and the X-Men did that. We have already have 7 X-Men team films where Xavier is a major player. Give him a cameo at the end ala Nick Fury and Thanos and eXpand his role for the sequel, so MCU could develop the underdeveloped X-Men characters in the film medium first.

 

[Iceman]

Well Wolverine and the X-Men did that. We have already have 7 X-Men team films where Xavier is a major player. Give him a cameo at the end ala Nick Fury and Thanos and eXpand his role for the sequel, so MCU could develop the underdeveloped X-Men characters in the film medium first.

I think the MCU want X-Men for the long term and with a real continuity and so will start off classic. The whole Fox-verse was like an alternative take. Xavier just shouldn't be a field guy and dominate by being involved in that side of things as well (McAvoy version). The problem we faced before is that we had no strong X-Men leaders to take charge of the team on the field with both Cyclops and Storm not given their due (Wolverine is a different kind of character). If we get them both here then Xavier fits in his traditional role as visionary and teacher while those 2 can lead the team.

 

[psylockolussus]

That would make sense but it would make that diversity aim even more difficult.

I don't even think they need to push "diversity" when the X-Men is naturally the most diverse in the Marvel comics. Race bending Bobby/Warren/Xavier or anyone in the o5, when you already have the likes of Jubilee, Psylocke, Kwannon, Armor, Storm, Bishop, Forge, Mirage, Sunspot, Cecilia Reyes, Sunfire, Karma and Warpath - just feels pushing diversity for the sake of it. They already got diversity. It just whether they want to use those characters or not.

 

[Marvel united]

I think the MCU want X-Men for the long term and with a real continuity and so will start off classic. The whole Fox-verse was like an alternative take. Xavier just shouldn't be a field guy and dominate by being involved in that side of things as well (McAvoy version). The problem we faced before is that we had no strong X-Men leaders to take charge of the team on the field with both Cyclops and Storm not given their due (Wolverine is a different kind of character). If we get them both here then Xavier fits in his traditional role as visionary and teacher while those 2 can lead the team.

Charles should be a supporting character to the X-Men like the comics and not vice-versa like the Singer films. But he should definitely be in the first film. The X-Men are named after him, he's pretty important.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think the MCU want X-Men for the long term and with a real continuity and so will start off classic. The whole Fox-verse was like an alternative take. Xavier just shouldn't be a field guy and dominate by being involved in that side of things as well (McAvoy version). The problem we faced before is that we had no strong X-Men leaders to take charge of the team on the field with both Cyclops and Storm not given their due (Wolverine is a different kind of character). If we get them both here then Xavier fits in his traditional role as visionary and teacher while those 2 can lead the team.

They didn't start the story of Hulk and Spider-Man in the MCu without their powers. What's so bad if they start the X-Men and they are already established and there are already a dozen of squad members. We've gotten the team origin before in a film. As long as they can get the essence of the X-Men, saving a world that fears them, its all good. They are also never gonna run out of stories from the comic books.

 

[Iceman]

I don't even think they need to push "diversity" when the X-Men is naturally the most diverse in the Marvel comics. Race bending Bobby/Warren/Xavier or anyone in the o5, when you already have the likes of Jubilee, Psylocke, Kwannon, Armor, Storm, Bishop, Forge, Mirage, Sunspot, Cecilia Reyes, Sunfire, Karma and Warpath - just feels pushing diversity for the sake of it. They already got diversity. It just whether they want to use those characters or not.

Including those fringe characters in the first MCU X-film would still feel like pushing diversity to me for the sake of it rather than it being natural. At least with Storm, Psylocke and Jubilee, they are all legitimate A-Team members who very few would have an issue with being involved. Forge would be fine to include working in the mansion as an ever-present non-field operative and Bishop could be considered if a time travel story is used (depending what route Avengers 4 takes). I feel that using the main-team diverse characters you already have is the best way to start rather than throwing in a lot of mutants only fans know about or race-changing the biggest characters in your first film .

 

[Iceman]

They didn't start the story of Hulk and Spider-Man in the MCu without their powers. What's so bad if they start the X-Men and they are already established and there are dozen of squad members. We've gotten the team origin before in a film. As long as they can get the essence of the X-Men, saving a world that fears them its all good. They are also never gonna run out of stories from the comic books.

Hulk and Spidey are just solo characters. The X-Men are about a vision. It really seems strange to me to start off in any other way. Most people don't mention Xavier in their dream lineups because he's considered a given, unlike even Wolverine. I don't think Feige is going to consider what came before in the Fox-verse too much as he's confident he can do it well whether it's similar to Fox or completely different. He'll make it work best for the MCU, whatever route that is.

 

[Iceman]

Charles should be a supporting character to the X-Men like the comics and not vice-versa like the Singer films. But he should definitely be in the first film. The X-Men are named after him, he's pretty important.

Exactly. Just because he dominated a bit too much in some of the recent films doesn't mean he should be excised altogether from the very first MCU X-film. He is a totally necessary supporting character who gives the team direction and brings them together, and they follow and believe in his vision at least to start with.