MCU X-Men - Part 1

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I'm kinda confused. What does Weapon X's mask have to do with Wolverine's mask? Because the three-hole punches he leaves behind make the connection pretty clearly. Survivors and security camera footage of attacks from Weapon X, Logan and Wolverine will all report the exact same experience, none of which includes getting a detailed look at his face and living through it.

Also, if dangerous people wanting you suffer/die is a reason to get a mask... shouldn't ALL of the X-Men and Avengers have masks?

Also... Wolverine is the kind of guy to pop his claws in public. He's not a guy who caves to physical intimidation. That's part of what makes him cool, isn't it?

Also... Wolverine has amnesia. Does he remember all of his enemies?

For the Avengers it was too late. Steve Rogers sold war bonds, Tony Stark outted himself and in the second two movies he was attacked barely surviving. Thor is an alien and it seems that SHIELD policy was agents showed their faces.

If Peter Parker accepted an Avengers commission would Stark or the Sokovia Accords have forced his unmasking? Perhaps, but then again as a child soldier perhaps his identity could remain shielded until he reached the age of majority

 

[DrCosmic]

True, but there's Wanda, Falcon, War Machine all gained enemies as part of the Avengers... no masks to protect their... ...who is being protected by Wolverine's mask, again, exactly?

I think the idea of a mask as a protection for your loved ones works a lot better in the DC universes, where the physical force of the villain isn't the major threat they pose, where as in the MCU, Quicksilver wearing a mask to protect Wanda from someone killing her in her sleep, or whatever it is Wolverine's mask is supposed to protect whoever is Silver Fox in this scenario from, whatever it is, it would have been pointless, because the physical threat of Ultron was the only real issue, and Quicksilver couldn't even handle that.

 

[Jordacar]

So, I'm super-duper in favor of updating Magneto's origin. The challenge is how to do that without being political, not because I dislike political themes, but because the MCU seems to go out of its way to avoid any real world politics of any sort.

Are we talking about Iron Man blasting modern-day terrorists in the Middle East while confronting his role in the military industrial complex? Or Captain America standing against SHIELD's surveillance state and pre-emptive strikes in the aftermath of an attack on NYC? Or Luke Cage's full-throated portrait of inner-city violence and police brutality? Or Frank Castle dealing with post-traumatic stress, while shooting at government officials who committed war crimes in Afghanistan? Or the Asgardians becoming refugees after their homeland is destroyed?

You could argue that they pulled some punches there, but I don't get the argument that superheroes, and Marvel's especially, are not often political, or that the MCU avoids politics altogether.

That being said, I hope Marvel politicizes the s*** out of the X-Men on film.

So I think it'd be most interesting to have someone vaguely middle eastern, but I highly doubt we'll get an actual Iranian, or anything even remotely delving into any current real world topics.

I'm all for separating Mags from the Holocaust, given that their are more recent atrocities to choose from. The only reason I'm not keen on a race lift though is that we already have Wanda and Pietro, and it would feel like a missed opportunity to skimp on that familial connection.

 

[DrCosmic]

Are we talking about Iron Man blasting modern-day terrorists in the Middle East while confronting his role in the military industrial complex? Or Captain America standing against SHIELD's surveillance state and pre-emptive strikes in the aftermath of an attack on NYC? Or Luke Cage's full-throated portrait of inner-city violence and police brutality? Or Frank Castle dealing with post-traumatic stress, while shooting at government officials who committed war crimes in Afghanistan? Or the Asgardians becoming refugees after their homeland is destroyed?

You could argue that they pulled some punches there, but I don't get the argument that superheroes, and Marvel's especially, are not often political, or that the MCU avoids politics altogether.

I'm haven't said they avoid politics, but real world politics, specifically, they replace real world politics with fictional politics, like SHIELD or Asgard. Good point on the Netflix shows, but they have different creators and decision makers than the MCU proper, and good point on Iron Man 1, though the political conflict is vague and quickly overshadowed by Tony's personal vendettas. The fact that they have never revisited even this political versimilitude in 17 films says a lot about their priorities, to me at least.

I wouldn't mind losing out on Magneto and his kids. Very few good stories have spun out from that, imho.

 

[TheYetiLair]

I'd love to see a total reboot of the X-Men. Fans deserve to see the movies done right.
Honestly, if I was the director, I'd search out the truly dedicated fans to form the ULTIMATE INNER CIRCLE GEEK SQUAD (eh, I'll work on the name) to consult with.

The fans want to see a slow character build for the team. Great costumes. Backstories. Cross-overs. ALL THE CHARACTERS. Characters in proper relation (bloodline, romance). Nostalgic locations and story-line adventures.

Did I get them all?
Well, that's why I'd recruit the ultimate nation of geeks and keep them close...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It's going to be near impossible for a film series, which have limited life spans and many considerations to take into account in terms of cast size, for ALL THE CHARACTERS to be featured in some capacity. Frankly, that's crazy, as is the idea that we the fans should be in charge in some capacity. Not only do we NEVER speak in one voice on any aspect of super heroes, but we SUCK in our choices very often. You'll excuse me if I prefer Hemsworth as Thor over Triple H. or Jackman over Glen Danzig or however you spell his name. Leave it to the professionals. They understand the limitations which include that you couldn't possibly have every Mutant character from the books appear.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That being said, I hope Marvel politicizes the s*** out of the X-Men on film.
I'm all for separating Mags from the Holocaust, given that their are more recent atrocities to choose from. The only reason I'm not keen on a race lift though is that we already have Wanda and Pietro, and it would feel like a missed opportunity to skimp on that familial connection.

I don't think there's any way they retcon Wanda and Pietro to be Magneto's children. They've already established that they weren't mutants. It would just be overly convoluted at this point.

 

[Mangle77]

I don't think there's any way they retcon Wanda and Pietro to be Magneto's children. They've already established that they weren't mutants. It would just be overly convoluted at this point.

They aren't even his kids in the comics anymore. No reason to have that complication in the MCU.

 

[SpiderDan]

I'll admit, I haven't read the comics. I've only really seen the films and read about a couple of comic plotlines, but an idea for the introduction to the MCU that I've thought of is simply redevelop the Krakoa storyline to fit the world.

Have the film start at the school, just showing the day to day teaching with the original team, and from the perspective of a couple of younger mutants that are finishing their education so old/capable enough to actually be on the team. Hear about exploits that have been done to keep mutants safe/hidden from the outside world to give the original team an almost legendary status among the kids that are learning from them. Then the mission to Krakoa can happen, the original team get trapped and the younger team can come into play. At the end you can always integrate them into the X-Men team in some way.

Then in the second film, have the mutants exposed by some form of tragedy and begin incorporating Magneto and the Brotherhood, human hatred and that side of the story. Wolverine wouldn't need to be a part of the series until later on. We know his story, and it'll give time to let the hype over Hugh Jackman die down while developing Scott/Jean's relationship over the first couple of films.

As I said, I don't know intricate details over storylines or characters that aren't in the Foxverse, but for me I'd like an intro story that introduces the original 5 in a sort of legendary status, shows them as idols to the students, I'd like the Krakoa story because then you can introduce the more popular X-Men in a way that will have the actors/actresses young enough to stay in the roles for a long, long time. The main thing for me is to not expose them too early. Give them a film in the shadows to develop the dynamics of the X-Men in a universe with the Avengers (and Fantastic 4 if they come in earlier) and go into the human v mutant side of things later. This gives us a bit of a break from Magneto and the Brotherhood too.

Honestly, I can see the X-Men series going alongside the Avengers. With the occassional cameo/team up instead of having everybody in the film MCU team up at the end of the Phase.

Just my thoughts, but that's what I'd like to see.

 

[fan4stic]

I don't think there's any way they retcon Wanda and Pietro to be Magneto's children. They've already established that they weren't mutants. It would just be overly convoluted at this point.

They haven't really established that. Ultron doesn't even know why Wanda and Pietro were the only survivors of the experiments. It could be explained that it's because they were mutants.

 

[Silvermoth]

I love that

 

[Iceman]

I hope the chances of getting Storm done right have increased after Black Panther’s success.

 

[BaronZemo]

I really hope we don't see Storm anywhere near BP for a while. I would rather his relationship with Nakia being explored.

Storm/T'challa was a forced PR move from Marvel and i would rather Feige avoid that.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm haven't said they avoid politics, but real world politics, specifically, they replace real world politics with fictional politics, like SHIELD or Asgard. Good point on the Netflix shows, but they have different creators and decision makers than the MCU proper, and good point on Iron Man 1, though the political conflict is vague and quickly overshadowed by Tony's personal vendettas. The fact that they have never revisited even this political versimilitude in 17 films says a lot about their priorities, to me at least.

Man, this was so true... until Black Panther came out.

 

[Iceman]

I really hope we don't see Storm anywhere near BP for a while. I would rather his relationship with Nakia being explored.

Storm/T'challa was a forced PR move from Marvel and i would rather Feige avoid that.

I was talking more about them seeing BP’s success and then making sure they do Storm right.

Appearing in a BP film outside of being a love interest would make sense given they are the highest profile heroes located in Africa.

 

[Silvermoth]

I'm dying to see a truly great storm though. I wonder who will get the job? There's a lot of responsibility to it

 

[Pennywise]

Watching Black Panther tackle social and political issues makes optimistic X-Men can be pulled off in the MCU!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'm dying to see a truly great storm though. I wonder who will get the job? There's a lot of responsibility to it

Whatever black Oscar nominee is buzzing around that time

 

[Silvermoth]

Octavia Spencer?

Because I love it!

 

[Iceman]

Watching Black Panther tackle social and political issues makes optimistic X-Men can be pulled off in the MCU!

It definitely can. Plus after how popular the female characters were in BP, there is a real opportunity for Storm to take that even further.

 

[Flash525]

Just a thought; probably an unpopular one, but couldn't the writers adopt Nakia as Storm? Granted she doesn't have any powers yet, but those could manifest following the Infinity War sequel?

 

[Abudefduf]

They could, but it would be very disrespectful to the character of Storm. Nakia is just a well-written love interest, Ororo is an icon.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

That's a pretty awful and lazy way to introduce storm. Disrespectful to storm as a character and feels rather insensitive because it comes off feeling like "well nakia is a black woman who loves panther so let's give her powers and white hair instead of expanding our stable of diversity and hire someone and give them the chance to leave their mark on the character. " as if because they're both black women they're interchangeable. It would be s complete ***** storm from everyone if that happened.

 

[Marvel united]

Just a thought; probably an unpopular one, but couldn't the writers adopt Nakia as Storm? Granted she doesn't have any powers yet, but those could manifest following the Infinity War sequel?

No, dude..

 

[Iceman]

That's a pretty awful and lazy way to introduce storm. Disrespectful to storm as a character and feels rather insensitive because it comes off feeling like "well nakia is a black woman who loves panther so let's give her powers and white hair instead of expanding our stable of diversity and hire someone and give them the chance to leave their mark on the character. " as if because they're both black women they're interchangeable. It would be s complete ***** storm from everyone if that happened.

Agreed. And good pun t: