MCU X-Men - Part 1

[psylockolussus]

Professor X, Iceman And Beast have been interpreted as white men in many mediums, not just the comics. So yes it would be a big deal. Thing is for me, If I'm used to someone's appearance in the comics and the other mediums, I eXpect the film adaptation to follow what they look like in the source material most Xpecially the bigger characters. Like I literally want these characters to look like they came out of the comics, I rarely got that feeling from Fox X-Men movies.

 

[Marvel united]

Okay, how about this:

- Cyclops (white)
- Storm (black)
- Marvel Girl (white)
- Sunspot (afro-latino)
- Siryn (east-asian)
- Warpath (native American)
- Dazzler (Indian)

That's pretty diverse. Mix of old and new characters with a couple of race swaps (Dazzler and Siryn) and different power sets that each bring something different to the team.

As for Iceman and Beast- the former can be introduced in Spider-Man: Homecoming 3 as a new member of Midtown, Kitty Pryde too. And the latter could be introduced in an Avengers or Fantastic Four film as an intern of either Reed Richards or Bruce Banner/Tony Stark. Setting up his future membership for the Avengers. Both could join the X-Men in XM2.

X-Men 2 roster;

- Cyclops (white)
- Jean (white)
- Storm (black)
- Iceman (east asian)
- Rouge (Mexican)
- Gambit (Black)
- Dazzler (Indian
- Beast (Indian)
- Psylocke (east asian)
- Nightcrawler (Blue-any race)

 

[psylockolussus]

When you have Psylocke, Jubilee, Bishop, Forge... There's really no need to race bend the other characters. Like as a fan, do you feel satisfied, that the MCU is finally adapting them and they will just look different from the source material? So the character you have been wanting to see for so long ends up looking like someone else.

 

[DACrowe]

Once this reboot is commenced, the most interesting part might be seeing how people around here are going to lose their minds after they inevitably "bend" the identities of some of these characters. It's going to happen, and this thread/board will get... interesting.

 

[Havok83]

When you have Psylocke, Jubilee, Bishop, Forge... There's really no need to race bend the other characters. Like as a fan, do you feel satisfied, that the MCU is finally adapting them and they will just look different from the source material? So the character you have been wanting to see for so long ends up looking like someone else.

its completely and absolutely unnecessary.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope they don't go with Storm being in a relationship with Black Panther, that whole storyline always felt really forced.

Same here. Storm should be X-Men Forever! ***does the X hand sign**

 

[psylockolussus]

Once this reboot is commenced, the most interesting part might be seeing how people around here are going to lose their minds after they inevitably "bend" the identities of some of these characters. It's going to happen, and this thread/board will get... interesting.

Well this might be news to you, just because it ain't Fox, people are just gonna eat up everything Marvel Stud10s will serve. People gave up on Fox because they are tired of their inaccurate portrayals and hoping the other studio would do better. Is that hard to understand? Are you gonna gloat when Marvel does the same mistakes as FoX? So clearly you are interested to see what our reactions would be like its some kind of entertainment for you.

 

[Havok83]

I hope they don't go with Storm being in a relationship with Black Panther, that whole storyline always felt really forced.

I hope they do. They are the best couple currently in Marvel. I love him with Nakia in the films though. I would be fine with Storm appearing in a future film of his

 

[Marvel united]

When you have Psylocke, Jubilee, Bishop, Forge... There's really no need to race bend the other characters. Like as a fan, do you feel satisfied, that the MCU is finally adapting them and they will just look different from the source material? So the character you have been wanting to see for so long ends up looking like someone else.

For me, it depends on who get changed and the roster of characters to pick from. We could either end up 1) a team made up entirely of B-list mutants with no core members (Like First Class with the exception of Beast), 2) a mostly A-List member roster with race swaps or 3) a mix of both (core 3 with new members) I have a feeling that Marvel is going to go with the third option as to keep thing different yet familiar.

I understand the need for more diversity but I also understand your side of the argument as well since I've been a fan of the X-Men since I was 6 years old in the mid-90s. So there should be a middle-ground. Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine stay white everybody else can be any race. I mean, is it really that big of a deal if Iceman or Beast get changed?

 

[psylockolussus]

You want diversity. You already got Psylocke, Bishop, Jubilee, Storm, Forge - all underused by Fox. Marvel Stud10s could literally make them the X-Men for five films if they want to. While the rest like Sunspot, Warpath, Karma and Synch have a place for the splinter teams.

 

[Marvel united]

You want diversity. You already got Psylocke, Bishop, Jubilee, Storm, Forge - all underused by Fox. Marvel Stud10s could literally make them the X-Men for five films if they want to. While the rest like Sunspot, Warpath, Karma and Synch have a place for the splinter teams.

And not have Bobby, Scott, Hank, Jean, Gambit, Rouge etc in the franchise? The characters that, y'know, defined the X-books the same way Peter Parker defined Spider-Man? That would be a major bummer. I'd much rather have some of them get race swaps than not appear at all. But I do understand your argument.

 

[DACrowe]

Well this might be news to you, just because it ain't Fox, people are just gonna eat up everything Marvel Stud10s will serve. People gave up on Fox because they are tired of their inaccurate portrayals and hoping the other studio would do better. Is that hard to understand? Are you gonna gloat when Marvel does the same mistakes as FoX? So clearly you are interested to see what our reactions would be like its some kind of entertainment for you.

I mean I wouldn't say entertainment. But looking at "MJ" and Ned Leeds, and Liz Allen, and Aunt May in the MCU? The X-Men lend themselves to that kind of update much more naturally, and in the case of some of the exhausted characters (especially Xavier and Magneto), it will be welcome.

I'm just aware that Feige is going to think strategically here. And yes, just as I was interested at watching fans losing their minds over Domino and Mary Jane castings, I'll be curious to see what happens here.

 

[psylockolussus]

@Marvel_united When did I say not to include them? You are all about diversity, that's why I mentioned Bishop, Psylocke, Storm, Jubilee and Forge.

So why in the world would you want to race bend Dazzler/Siryn, when you could easily have Psylocke and Jubilee instead but you didn't even include them in your post? It sounds like you're just throwing things just so they could do it. When in fact, they are not doing the source material any favor by discarding what they looked like in the first place.

 

[Havok83]

And not have Bobby, Scott, Hank, Jean, Gambit, Rouge etc in the franchise? The characters that, y'know, defined the X-books the same way Peter Parker defined Spider-Man? That would be a major bummer. I'd much rather have some of them get race swaps than not appear at all. But I do understand your argument.

X-men is an ensemble cast. Spider-man is a solo hero. I dont get how you even go there with that comparison. FYI last time I checked Storm helped define the X-men. More so than Rogue and Gambit or even Iceman

Look at the Avengers. They didnt go an race swap any of the team when they were brought together for the first film. Since then they've slowly added more lesser known characters of other races to the team. There are a number of mutants in the X-universe to follow that same progression.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mean I wouldn't say entertainment. But looking at "MJ" and Ned Leeds, and Liz Allen, and Aunt May in the MCU? The X-Men lend themselves to that kind of update much more naturally, and in the case of some of the exhausted characters (especially Xavier and Magneto), it will be welcome.

I'm just aware that Feige is going to think strategically here. And yes, just as I was interested at watching fans losing their minds over Domino and Mary Jane castings, I'll be curious to see what happens here.

Well its pretty obvious some fans want certain things to happen... Like looking like their comic book counterpart.... I mean do you really think majority of the fanbase to hope that the character that have been eXposed to in the comics for decades tolook totally different? Well not me.

 

[Orba]

I would put Forge as a must have character in the MCU X-Men, even if it is only in a support role. His ability to intuitively recognise and understand any technology he sees (as well as know how to improve or create countermeasures to) gives an easy way of explaining to the audiences how pretty much all of the technology the X-Men use was created.

 

[psylockolussus]

And Fox hasn't even used Forge. So why continue to ignore him?

 

[Marvel united]

I mean I wouldn't say entertainment. But looking at "MJ" and Ned Leeds, and Liz Allen, and Aunt May in the MCU? The X-Men lend themselves to that kind of update much more naturally, and in the case of some of the exhausted characters (especially Xavier and Magneto), it will be welcome.

I'm just aware that Feige is going to think strategically here. And yes, just as I was interested at watching fans losing their minds over Domino and Mary Jane castings, I'll be curious to see what happens here.

I'll admit, I was pretty angry when the MJ casting happened. But I was even more angry when the set pictures came out and she looked nothing like MJ. And then Zendaya, Tom and Kevin all said she wasn't Mary. Then the movie came out and she was MJ but at the same time not. Which just made me go "whyyy??" That was the only change in Homecoming that I really hated.

But either way, X-Men doesn't need a massive reinvention like Spider-Man: Homecoming. Which changed wayyy more than the races of the characters. I was fine with Homecoming because both previous series embraced the source material, it made sense to try something different. But If Marvel went the Homecoming route creative-wise on the X-Men- I would not be okay with that. We have never seen the true comic book X-Men on the big screen. The closest we've gotten is the world of Deadpool

 

[psylockolussus]

X-men is an ensemble cast. Spider-man is a solo hero. I dont get how you even go there with that comparison. FYI last time I checked Storm helped define the X-men. More so than Rogue and Gambit or even Iceman

Look at the Avengers. They didnt go an race swap any of the team when they were brought together for the first film. Since then they've slowly added more lesser known characters of other races to the team. There are a number of mutants in the X-universe to follow that same progression.

I also think just having Storm and Psylocke in a group of eight is fine. It doesn't need to be 50/50 or 30/70. Having those two around or just even Storm is already showing diversity. I'm all for diversity, but I certainly don't want Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Jean to look like they came from some unknown alternate reality from the comics and have a reaction of "wait that's Rogue?".

 

[Rorschach2012]

I’m gonna say no to Sunspot. For now. Keep it to the iconic heroes at first

 

[Marvel united]

X-men is an ensemble cast. Spider-man is a solo hero. I dont get how you even go there with that comparison. FYI last time I checked Storm helped define the X-men. More so than Rogue and Gambit or even Iceman

Look at the Avengers. They didnt go an race swap any of the team when they were brought together for the first film. Since then they've slowly added more lesser known characters of other races to the team. There are a number of mutants in the X-universe to follow that same progression.

When people think of X-Men who do you think comes to mind first? Iceman, Rouge and Gambit or Forge, Karma and Warpath? The answer is why I made that comparsion. And Scott, Jean and Hank undoubtedly defined the team as well. Cyclops and Jean have been on most lineups as well. If I had to pinpoint the main characters of the franchise- it would be Scott, Jean, Storm and Beast. They must appear in the MCU.

The MCU Avengers didn't race swap anyone but several of the founding members were STILL founding members in the MCU

 

[Havok83]

And Fox hasn't even used Forge. So why continue to ignore him?

To be fair, Forge is a boring character. Im fine with him not being used.

When people think of X-Men who do you think comes to mind first? Iceman, Rouge and Gambit or Forge, Karma and Warpath? The answer is why I made that comparsion. And Scott, Jean and Hank undoubtedly defined the team as well. Cyclops and Jean have been on most lineups as well. If I had to pinpoint the main characters of the franchise- it would be Scott, Jean, Storm and Beast. They must appear in the MCU.

Did you see me mention Forge, Karma or Warpath in the post you quoted? I talked about Storm, whom you initially disregarded and pointed to other characters being more integral to defining the X-men than her

The MCU Avengers didn't race swap anyone but several of the founding members were STILL founding members in the MCU

What does that have to do with my point? The only founding members in the original lineup were Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. The other three were later additions and later white ones at that. If the MCU were to have Jean, Cyclops, Beast (originals) + Storm, Wolverine and Psylocke, that already is doing better than the Avengers, and no race swap is needed

 

[Iceman]

To be fair, Forge is a boring character. Im fine with him not being used.

I like him being a background mansion character. He's like part of the furniture to me (in a god way).

 

[psylockolussus]

Cyclops
Jean
Rogue
Storm
Psylocke
Emma
Beast
Gambit
Angel
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Banshee
Forge
Bishop
Polaris
Jubilee
Dazzler
Havok

Those are the X-Men staples, why go to someone who is more integral to the New Mutants and X-Force?

 

[Iceman]

If the X-Men make a big enough deal out of Storm it will have more of a Black Panther level impact where people sit up and take notice rather than a lot of small nods which would be the equivalent of including Nick Fury, War Machine, Falcon and Heimdall combined that go a bit more under the radar.