MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Endeavor]

I don't either.


There are mutant chars from all 7 continents. Marvel can make anyone popular just put some POC on the team and build them up.

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Agreed

 

[Marvel united]

I don't either.


There are mutant chars from all 7 continents. Marvel can make anyone popular just put some POC on the team and build them up.

So then the question of who gets committed arises. If you ommited Beast from the team in favor of Forge, would most be okay with that? Or other staples getting ommitted for b-list characters like Indra or Sunfire.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So then the question of who gets committed arises. If you ommited Beast from the team in favor of Forge, would most be okay with that? Or other staples getting ommitted for b-list characters like Indra or Sunfire.

Well my idea for this most won't agree with anyways.


But I'd love Forge to take over the tech role honestly he serves multiple purposes.

Cheap Power Set budget wise
Storm Love Interest
Create amazing tech for X-MEN


Beast can be a Avenger character imo


But I see the X-MEN as characters that can go in and out of the main roles for each film.

Someone like Darwin/Bishop/Frenzy/Dr Reyes can just be a background support role as a Teacher or Mansion staff in one movie to moving to a larger role in sequel.


Cyclops, Storm, Rogue & Wolverine should be the main characters imo and everyone else should play off them

Then when you bring in whoever else in sequels like Psylocke or Gambit or whoever it makes their intro more impactful.


My initial roster (which would never happen would be a mix of First Class, Second Genesis, & Deadly Genesis roster)

Cyclops
Marvel Girl
Storm
Thunderbird
Sunfire
Sway
Darwin


Bring in Wolverine in a post credit after introducing in a Wolverine Vs Movie (Basically Wolverine Vs Hulk)

Then have your support staff at the mansion

Xavier
Moira
Forge
Steve Hunter or Dr Reyes


That would be racially and gender balanced group



But it's just wishful thinking


Then sprinkle in more fan favorites in sequels

 

[Fallen]

Juana Gris

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[Marvel united]

Well my idea for this most won't agree with anyways.


But I'd love Forge to take over the tech role honestly he serves multiple purposes.

Cheap Power Set budget wise
Storm Love Interest
Create amazing tech for X-MEN


Beast can be a Avenger character imo


But I see the X-MEN as characters that can go in and out of the main roles for each film.

Someone like Darwin/Bishop/Frenzy/Dr Reyes can just be a background support role as a Teacher or Mansion staff in one movie to moving to a larger role in sequel.


Cyclops, Storm, Rogue & Wolverine should be the main characters imo and everyone else should play off them

Then when you bring in whoever else in sequels like Psylocke or Gambit or whoever it makes their intro more impactful.


My initial roster (which would never happen would be a mix of First Class, Second Genesis, & Deadly Genesis roster)

Cyclops
Marvel Girl
Storm
Thunderbird
Sunfire
Sway
Darwin


Bring in Wolverine in a post credit after introducing in a Wolverine Vs Movie (Basically Wolverine Vs Hulk)

Then have your support staff at the mansion

Xavier
Moira
Forge
Steve Hunter or Dr Reyes


That would be racially and gender balanced group



But it's just wishful thinking


Then sprinkle in more fan favorites in sequels

This is a pretty good lineup and pitch. (Although I'd replace Sunfire with Bobby) but what about the sequels? The X-Men will become less racially balanced when they start bringing all of the A-listers most of whom are Caucasion, so race changes to a few characters may still have to happen.

 

[Lip]

Oh yes!

And nice images

This one is better:

Although I prefer the 90's Jean:

The possibilities are endless now and we can see aspects of X-Men that have never been considered on film before.

Yes, the possibilities are endless since Charles/Logan/Eric are only 1% of the x-universe. And I can't contain my excitement!

Finish this deal already!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

This is a pretty good lineup and pitch. (Although I'd replace Sunfire with Bobby) but what about the sequels? The X-Men will become less racially balanced when they start bringing all of the A-listers most of whom are Caucasion, so race changes to a few characters may still have to happen.

Well as long as the ratio is better than Avengers. Avengers movies are like 5 or 6 to 1 Male/Female. And even worse with Majority to Minority characters.


As long as Bishop or Psylocke etc can squeeze in the roster I'm fine with mainly White cast because that's what the X-MEN are.

There's also imo a difference when doing whatever with the characters because unlike Avengers & Guardians. Alot of the GA has at least basic knowledge of the X-MEN and the characters. The movies were unrecognizable but people still know what the X-MEN is supposed to look like.


But there's plenty of characters Marvel can sneak on the team even though the rosters will be mostly white like Monet or Frenzy etc

 

[Marvel united]

Well as long as the ratio is better than Avengers. Avengers movies are like 5 or 6 to 1 Male/Female. And even worse with Majority to Minority characters.


As long as Bishop or Psylocke etc can squeeze in the roster I'm fine with mainly White cast because that's what the X-MEN are.

There's also imo a difference when doing whatever with the characters because unlike Avengers & Guardians. Alot of the GA has at least basic knowledge of the X-MEN and the characters. The movies were unrecognizable but people still know what the X-MEN is supposed to look like.


But there's plenty of characters Marvel can sneak on the team even though the rosters will be mostly white like Monet or Frenzy etc

Yes, that's what the X-Men are (which is a result of the time it was made and the Claremont run wad considered diverse for it's time) but the question is, is that what the X-Men SHOULD be? They are a direct allegory to real minorities and oppressed group. So the question is: should a story that is a direct parallel to racism, discrimination, homophobia, bigotry etc against actual minorities be made up of a mostly non-minority cast in 2020?

The answer to that question imo, is no. Just like how Homecoming had a diverse cast because New York City - Queens in particular is very multi-cultural, Marvel's X-Men should be as well.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The answer to that question imo, is no. Just like how Homecoming had a diverse cast because New York City - Queens in particular is very multi-cultural, Marvel's X-Men should be as well.

Racebending The Beast or The Angel is way different than Flash Thompson imo.


And honestly this is a White Film Company in a predominantly White Country it is what it is.


If the X-MEN rosters vary from 6-8 members per film there's plenty of Minority X-MEN to fill in spots 4-8 of any team.


The members will just have to rotate from film to film which is what they do in the X-MEN comics anyway.


Cyclops & Jean leave for a honeymoon and Storm takes over leadership.

Gambit goes to N.O. for solo adventure

Rogue goes to Captain Marvel franchise for awhile

Beast goes to Avengers

Iceman goes to Spider-Man franchise etc etc



But me personally I've always been the type of X-MEN fan who prefers the lesser known members anyways so my opinion isn't the best for this. I'm a Warpath/Monet/Bishop/Sunfire fan myself.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Basically my thing with racebending is that it won't elevate the characters outside of the film world. If you make Bishop super awesome in the movie then publishing will be basically forced to finally make him cool again in the books. He'll get a nice role in the new game or cartoon.


If you just racebend Beast or Angel they'll still be white in the books. Like how Domino was raceswapped in the film but her new solo book looks just like regular Domino has always looked


The movies make the rules now so if they really try and elevate the non white characters (While still having the awesome White X-MEN who should definitely have juicy roles like Cyclops & Rogue etc) it's s win/win imo

 

[Marvel united]

Racebending The Beast or The Angel is way different than Flash Thompson imo.

It's a similar idea behind it. The HC cast is reflective of what NYC looks like in 2017

And honestly this is a White Film Company in a predominantly White Country it is what it is.

Uh, what? This is an odd excuse. Black Panther; an all-black cast was made by a white film company in a majority white country. So was Homecoming. And mutants are persecuted minorities just like real minorities today. Them not being the majority is kinda the entire point and it only strengthens my argument.

If the X-MEN rosters vary from 6-8 members per film there's plenty of Minority X-MEN to fill in spots 4-8 of any team.

But that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the new X-Men coming in will be overwhelmingly Caucasian. The fact that you'd have to send white characters away to different films just to keep the team somewhat racially balanced is ridiculous and a problem in itself

me personally I've always been the type of X-MEN fan who prefers the lesser known members anyways so my opinion isn't the best for this. I'm a Warpath/Monet/Bishop/Sunfire fan myself.

I agree, Bishop and Warpath are awesome. And it sucks that both of them got barely any to zero lines in DOFP. So many characters Singer wasted

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

If they race bend anyone I hope it's Rogue and Gambit.

They always had flavor to me, I'd buy them being black lol.

 

[Havok83]

Uh, what? This is an odd excuse. Black Panther; an all-black cast was made by a white film company in a majority white country. So was Homecoming. And mutants are persecuted minorities just like real minorities today. Them not being the majority is kinda the entire point and it only strengthens my argument.

They are already going to be minorities in this universe. They dont need to be double or triple minorities in order for their stories to be told

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Idk I just see love interests like Liz & MJ as not the same tier as a MCU Beast or Angel.

And the racebent characters in HC didn't do anything really important. It seemed more like window dressing imo.


I'm not saying explain why the white characters leave I'm saying that's what happens from arc to arc in X-MEN comics. And it wouldn't just be the white characters.

Thunderbird could die

Sunfire would quit etc etc

There's literally over 100 X-MEN members they can rotate in and out. It doesn't have to be the same roster for entire triolgy.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Idk I just see love interests like Liz & MJ as not the same tier as a MCU Beast or Angel.

And the racebent characters in HC didn't do anything really important. It seemed more like window dressing.

This is true.

Marvel would've had my respect if they just had the balls to out right make Zendaya and Laura, Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy respectively.

But of course white fanboys across the globe would've had heart attacks.

 

[Marvel united]

They are already going to be minorities in this universe. They dont need to be double or triple minorities in order for their stories to be told

But to stay true to what X-Men is, there should be more minorities in an ideally, majority poc cast imo. If you're going touch on themes, metaphors and issues that real minorities go through from day to day life, then more minorities should be playing these characters. Especially in 2018-2020 and the current political climate (which an X-Men film in 2020-2022 SHOULD parallel)

There's a reason why some of the most iconic X-Men villains (were INTENTIONALLY) made to mirror real groups and historical figures i.e Magneto, Stryker, Senator Kelly, Trask etc

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

But to stay true to what X-Men is, there should be more minorities in an ideally, majority poc cast imo. If you're going touch on themes, metaphors and issues that real minorities go through from day to day life, then more minorities should be playing these characters. Especially in 2018-2020.

It's wishful thinking imo. They rarely have 2 PoC in X-MEN comic rosters at a time.


Maybe they will racebend the characters... I'll hate it because I'd rather have actual black X-MEN like Bishop & Darwin but it's w/e


Just hope Storm gets better cover placement than Fury lol

Spoiler

 

[Iceman]

This one is better:

Spoiler

Although I prefer the 90's Jean:

Spoiler

Yes, the possibilities are endless since Charles/Logan/Eric are only 1% of the x-universe. And I can't contain my excitement!

Finish this deal already!

Very cool! I love that image of Jean.

I just want those 3 and Mystique to have a break and then get the appropriate share of focus they do in the comics rather than becoming all- consuming.

Speculation on future X-films is going to be so much more fun now that all these restrictions will be lifted and any character can theoretically turn up and potentially get a good showing.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Hope we just get some really good villains out the deal.

Stryfe, The Acolytes, Graydon Creed, Arcade, Mojo, Spiral, Matsu'o Tsurayaba..

And then other factors that FOX neglected like the Legacy Virus, all that stuff is still relevant today with the right writers at the helm.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Sinister would be a good starter villain imo. That way Cyclops could get character development at the beginning

 

[Iceman]

Sinister would be a good starter villain imo. That way Cyclops could get character development at the beginning

I'd love for them to kick off with that.

 

[Marvel united]

It's wishful thinking imo. They rarely have 2 PoC in X-MEN comic rosters at a time.

And this a problem. Even the first 2 or 3 90s Claremont lineups had 1 or 2 people of color on a team that was mostly made up of white characters. And again, X-Men is a lore that is directly based on the struggle of being part of an oppressed group. If there's any time for representation in any Marvel film - it is this one. It's a change that that would make perfect sense. Homecoming gives me hope that Marvel will not be afraid to embrace diversity in a film that based in such subjects as tolerance, civil rights and discrimination.

Maybe they will racebend the characters... I'll hate it because I'd rather have actual black X-MEN like Bishop & Darwin but it's w/e


Just hope Storm gets better cover placement than Fury lol

Spoiler

Darwin and Bishop were wasted in FC and DOFP. Especially Darwin His death made zero sense in FC, Darwin is an omega-level mutant, he can adapt to ANYTHING; he has regenerated from being vaporized in the comics before. And he, being the only person of color - was the only member to get killed off, and the only mutant besides Shaw to die in the whole film. But the movie was set in the 1960s so it made sense in a way that the team wouldn't be diverse. The same can't be said for a modern-day X-Men movie.

I have no doubt that Storm under Marvel will be done justice. She should be established as one of the pillars of the X-Men franchise along with Scott and Jean

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

There will definitely be diversity in X-MEN.


The only question will be C/D isters or Racebent A/B Listers.

 

[Abudefduf]

Replace Jubilee with Psylocke, add Nightcrawler and this is the perfect X-Men roster. This is what Marvel should strive to bring to the big screen, even if it takes them more than one movie to do it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

If they give Storm that Mohawk or a pixie cut I'm gonna scream.