MCU X-Men - Part 3

[Shinobi Shaw]

I really dont see what would be so stressful about introducing mutants to this universe. Its not as complicated as people are making it out to be

Thanos snaps his fingers again, or someone uses the Infinity Gauntlet to undo the snap and bring everyone back and then boom: half of the population are mutants.

It's not that hard.

 

[Marvel united]

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I will be sorely disappointed if the Mutants remained a separate universe under Disney from the wider MCU. I want these characters to interact and cross pollinate the way they have for over five decades in the comics.

 

[Havok83]

Thanos snaps his fingers again, or someone uses the Infinity Gauntlet to undo the snap and bring everyone back and then boom: half of the population are mutants.

It's not that hard.

I think half would be way too much but even a small percentage would be a significant number. Especially after the destruction that IW caused and now a large amount of people are powered beings, that would take care of the fear and hate towards the unknown (mutants). Thats definitely one way to tackle this

 

[Iron_Stark]

Except Heimdall and Valkyrie are not real. They are based on Greek myths and the Marvel version of Asgard is not a slave to Norse mythology anyway and never has been in the comics.

Egypt is still based in reality despite the story beibg fictional and they still hired all white actors to play people who were people of color

Set and Horus are as fictional as Heimdell and Valkyrie.

Like Heimdall and Valkyrie, in that movie, Set and Horus came from outer space. Like Heimdall and Valkyrie, who weren't native to Norway, and didn't need to look like your typical Norse person, neither Set and Horus, are native to Earth or Egypt and don't need to look like the typical Egyptian.

Like I said, why can fictional, outer space faring, Marvel Norse mythology have blacks, but fictional space faring Egyptian mythology not have whites?

I absolutely see the point you and others are trying to make, but Gods of Egypt is not a fact based movie like that Christian Bale Exodus movie. Gods of Egypt was as fictional as a Marvel movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think half would be way too much but even a small percentage would be a significant number. Especially after the destruction that IW caused and now a large amount of people are powered beings, that would take care of the fear and hate towards the unknown (mutants). Thats definitely one way to tackle this

Given the IG is the biggest get out of jail free card macguffin ever produced by Marvel Comics, and considering the way the comic story concludes I have no doubt that the wide spread chaos, death and destruction Thanos caused with his use of the IG will be negated as if it never happened. New MCU films and shows on cable, network or streaming are not going to take place in a world where either half the population died in an instant and now stories deal with the ramifications thereof or in reality where people are aware of half of the people disappearing and then suddenly reappearing and then having reality reflect that occurrence. Before anyone says that just because the comic story ends with a return to status quo ending doesn't mean A4 has to end the same way I will just remind some that there were adamant voices here on the Hype that thought "the snap" wouldn't happen either and that Marvel wouldn't make a film with a "downer" ending to it.

At best we will have a this explored in a limited fashion in A4 and A4 only with a return to the general status quo by film's end likely with the only real ramifications being foisted upon certain characters, say some heroes having to sacrifice their lives to set it all right.


I could see events involving time travel and the "evolutionary" properties of the Quantum Realm be a way to backdoor set up mutants unbeknownst to our heroes. I still geel they dropped those lines by Janet into A&W for a reason. Some of the moments with Jan as well as the post cred felt like quickie reshoots done post the reality of the Disney acquisition of Fox.

 

[Marvel united]

Ugh, no thanks to the Quantum Mutants theory

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ugh, no thanks to the Quantum Mutants theory

Hey, I would prefer a more comic accurate route myself but there is just an oddness to those lines in A&W and what's done with Jan. They got a place in the MCU where they got gene altering energy as well as "time vortexes" or what have you. It's not surprising that some are thinking this could be used to retroactively place Mutants into the mix. During A4's time travel shenanigans that energy gets spread all over through time affecting genes, those affected have offspring, BOOM, a good amount are born mutants who as per the classic comics have their powers show up upon adolescence.

Because this happened through time travel it's a retroactive thing so that they've always been there. You explain the X-Men's lack of appearances during the various crisis moments of the last few years by saying they were too young and still in training under Xavier.

Is any of that simple? No. It's convoluted as all get out. But... It is an explanation and there is an elegance in it tying into A4 and the fight against Thanos as in solving one problem a whole other can of worms is opened.

And yeah as stated it's not my preferred method. I honestly don't think you need a huge rationalization for the mutants any more than I needed a rationalization for wizards and space gods and men that shrink even though none of that was evident in IRON MAN 1.

Still... The lines given to Janet and the description of the Q realm's affect as being "evolutionary" stick out like a sore thumb in A&W.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yeah no thanks. Literally the reason why I hate that they didn't ever think about the ramifications of removing themselves from mutants so much they are dug into a hole of convolutions. Like why are some super powered people hated and some loved even though they can be just as much of a menace? It makes zero sense in the comics and it won't in the films.

I feel like since it's never going to "make sense" you might as well just ignore the absurdity of it all and add them in just as comic accurate as possible.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I mean it wouldn't be that hard to show people distrusting super powers. The avengers are heroes who saved the world on the grandest stage for the world to see in the first movie. Then with the incident on sokovia they're government threats and nearly considered public enemy. But mutants are a much scarier thought than a hand full of costumed public heroes. They're our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, neighbors, teachers, pastors, co workers, they hide in the shadows, the sewers, etc. And all it takes is for them to introduce an instigator, a bigot who can tap into the worst of man kinds fears. It'd be a great reflection of today's America.

There are easier ways to introduce the origin of mutants without having to lean on the snap or the quantum realm. The eternals stuff would work nicely, but as far as actually introducing mutants Isn't it easier to introduce mutants by saying they've been around for ages? They were worshipped as gods, or existed as folk tales, mythical creatures, sewer monsters, circus freaks, internet hoax etc. But say maybe the population of mutants was and has always been very
small? That way when you introduce them, you could say out of 7 billion people on Earth mutants only make up maybe 50 or 60 thousand world wide and slowly growing. Which would make Xavier's mission to protect mutant kind and bring peace to their existence all the more important. The age of the internet and the age of heroes has brought them more into the lime light, but then we also get to see the ugly side of humanity and how they hate and fear some of these super powered characters, which in the mcu we haven't seen.
This kind of keeps people from saying "where have they been", they've always been there but they're sparse and have been hiding really well.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Personally I really don't need an explanation, even the canon one about Celestial interference. They just are and with a population now greater than ever before on the planet combined with modern media more mutants are being born and getting exposed.

 

[Silvermoth]

Thanos snaps his fingers again, or someone uses the Infinity Gauntlet to undo the snap and bring everyone back and then boom: half of the population are mutants.

It's not that hard.

I suppose the next question is, why would someone do that? Like why would they snap their fingers and create the mutants?

I could see KJ Apa as Cyclops.

Apocalypse has to be black though. Nothing irks me more than watching Hollywood movies with white Egyptians.

KJ is actually my fave pic for the Human Torch! And yeah I would love to see more diverse casting for Apocalpse. I’m a huge fan of Adrian Lester, maybe he could do it?

Javier Bardem could do the Mocap for Apoc

You know I was just reading Hickman’s secret wars this morning and Holocaust popped up and suddenly I was like “oh wow I really miss these characters”

 

[Endeavor]

Is anyone opposed to having the X-Men exist outside of the MCU?..

I am.
I want them to exist in the same universe.
You can still have them do independent stuff, just like all the MCU heroes have had solo adventures in which the rest of the Avengers do not show up.

 

[Fallen]

A little reminder:

Ant-Man and the Wasp hasn't been released in some international markets yet.
Please, don't put spoilers in comments.

 

[The Infernal]

I am.
I want them to exist in the same universe.
You can still have them do independent stuff, just like all the MCU heroes have had solo adventures in which the rest of the Avengers do not show up.

Agreed. Non-mcu X-men just be a waste of time.

 

[Chesterfield]

Adrian Lester as Apocalypse? Uh no.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I suppose the next question is, why would someone do that? Like why would they snap their fingers and create the mutants?

Probably following the logic of Magneto with the idea that it's an improvement on the human race. You could argue in favor of that pretty easy.

 

[Havok83]

I suppose the next question is, why would someone do that? Like why would they snap their fingers and create the mutants?

you're assuming its intentional. It most likely would be some unforeseen side effect. Id have it that the X-gene already exists out there and IW just activates them in latent mutants

 

[Boom]

Wolverine ... Jack O'Connell (Starred Up)

 

[Marvel united]

Wolverine ... Jack O'Connell (Starred Up)

He is becoming a popular choice on different forums

 

[Frankeh]

I think Apocalypse needs to be a CGI creation like Thanos. And grey skinned. Any other way he will look awkward, like Singer's creation. X-Men Legends II pulled it off better.

 

[fan4stic]

Jack O'Connell to me doesn't have a conventionally handsome look, he's 5'7 and 27 yrs old according to google. I think he's one of the more comic accurate options.

 

[Boom]

Jack O'Connell to me doesn't have a conventionally handsome look, he's 5'7 and 27 yrs old according to google. I think he's one of the more comic accurate options.

Put some hair on his face and he's perfect.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Even though we have a Wolverine fatigue, I hope they do right by MCU Sabretooth. He's a character that's gotten the shaft in the FOX-verse too which is ironic since they shoved Logan down our throats.

I wasn't really impressed with Liev's interpretation.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Take my money!

Is that a new cartoon, or just some fanart?

 

[CaptainWagner]

I think Apocalypse needs to be a CGI creation like Thanos. And grey skinned. Any other way he will look awkward, like Singer's creation. X-Men Legends II pulled it off better.

Yeah, Apocalypse should definitely be CGI/Mo-Cap. Not sure who would be good to play, him, though. Javier Bardem could be a good choice. For someone from left field, I don't think he's ever played a villain before, but Tony Shalhoub could be an interesting choice, especially if they want to get someone from the right ethnicity.