MCU X-Men - Part 3

[Jh7058622]

Wolverine ... Jack O'Connell (Starred Up)

Pass there's other relatively short actors to choose from outside of him constantly being suggested. Some that look far better for the role.

All these guys are 5'10 and 1/2 or less 5'7 the shortest.

YesI'm ignoring the abomination that is The Inhumans tv show.

 

[fan4stic]

Most of them seem either too pretty boyish to me and/or too old to play Wolverine. I don't even know the 3rd image actor. Plus I think skewing shorter, with young age and unconventional handsomeness works better. Ignoring shows isn't really my thing either.

 

[pixen]

I’d prefer no Apocalypse or any repeat villains for the X-Men. For the former, visually, he’s similar to Thanos. His goal is similar? Wants to destroy the world or something like that. I feel like there are many villains who have never been touched by Fox that could make for great conflict.

 

[Marvel united]

I’d prefer no Apocalypse or any repeat villains for the X-Men. For the former, visually, he’s similar to Thanos. His goal is similar? Wants to destroy the world or something like that. I feel like there are many villains who have never been touched by Fox that could make for great conflict.

Apocalypse's motives usually boil down to him wanting to destroy the weak so the strong can thrive. He really isn't anything like Thanos. There is a lot that distinguishes him from Thanos including his look (which is nothing like Thanos outside of his size, which he constantly changes anyway) and powerset.

Repeat villains are going to happen at some point. Magneto, Stryker, Kelly, Trask etc will come sooner or later.

 

[pixen]

Apocalypse's motives usually boil down to him wanting to destroy the weak so the strong can thrive. He really isn't anything like Thanos. There is a lot that distinguishes him from Thanos including his look (which is nothing like Thanos outside of his size, which he constantly changes anyway) and powerset.

Repeat villains are going to happen at some point. Magneto, Stryker, Kelly, Trask etc will come sooner or later.

I mean... Thanos is blue/purple/grey with some gold... Apocalypse is blue/purple/grey with some silver. They both want to destroy something to make the others survive/thrive. Both are tall.

And yes, they will repeat villains but there are a ton that could be touched. Stryker has been in most of the films as a villain and it’s gotten so tiring. Same goes for Charles and Erik and Dark Phoenix. I would love a good version of them but it’s like, how many times can a story be redone when there are so many more interesting aspects of the X-Men that haven’t been shown.

 

[Silvermoth]

you're assuming its intentional. It most likely would be some unforeseen side effect. Id have it that the X-gene already exists out there and IW just activates them in latent mutants

Good point, it could be like the end of house of m. If half the universe disappears, all that energy has to go somewhere.

That said though, it would put a time stamp on when people become mutants (everyone becomes a mutant at the same time so there wouldn’t be someone like Charles or magneto working for years)

Probably following the logic of Magneto with the idea that it's an improvement on the human race. You could argue in favor of that pretty easy.

That would be interesting. Maybe someone cracks open a dead celestial or something and it changes the entire timeline

Jack O'Connell to me doesn't have a conventionally handsome look, he's 5'7 and 27 yrs old according to google. I think he's one of the more comic accurate options.

I find him more attractive than hugh but that’s just me. I guess we shouldn’t have an attractive off when it comes to Logan

 

[CaptainWagner]

I mean... Thanos is blue/purple/grey with some gold... Apocalypse is blue/purple/grey with some silver. They both want to destroy something to make the others survive/thrive. Both are tall.

And yes, they will repeat villains but there are a ton that could be touched. Stryker has been in most of the films as a villain and it’s gotten so tiring. Same goes for Charles and Erik and Dark Phoenix. I would love a good version of them but it’s like, how many times can a story be redone when there are so many more interesting aspects of the X-Men that haven’t been shown.

And yet we've never actually gotten Stryker as a preacher. I'd love to get a proper take.

John Nolan would be great. But Stryker aside, I do want to get away from the same old villains. Magneto is inevitable, but should be saved for a second film at least. Get people like Arcade, Black Tom and Juggernaut, Vulcan, Mr. Sinister involved first. Then return to the Apocalypse/Phoenix well once you've firmly established a new franchise.

 

[marcvader]

Of course repeat villains will happen but come on, lets get a couple in before they do that.

 

[Havok83]

Just no to Stryker. He's been in what, 4 films? Enough with him. He'snot that core to the X-men mythos to be as overexposed as he has been and definitely doesnt need to be done again

 

[CaptainWagner]

Of course repeat villains will happen but come on, lets get a couple in before they do that.

I agree. I was just pointing out that we've never gotten a remotely accurate version of Stryker. to get a proper adaptation might as well be a first time character.

 

[Havok83]

I agree. I was just pointing out that we've never gotten a remotely accurate version of Stryker. to get a proper adaptation might as well be a first time character.

His most significant story was God Loves, Man Kills, and that was done in a good film. I see people's arguments for Dark Phoenix but this story doesnt need to be repeated

 

[Marvel united]

Just no to Stryker. He's been in what, 4 films? Enough with him. He'snot that core to the X-men mythos to be as overexposed as he has been and definitely doesnt need to be done again

The Stryker in the Singer Films shares very little with the Stryker in the comics. A comic accurate version with his Purfiyers would be completely fresh; basically a new villain altogether

 

[Havok83]

The Stryker in the Singer Films shares very little with the Stryker in the comics. A comic accurate version with his Purfiyers would be completely fresh; basically a new villain altogether

and as I said in my last post, having him would still be a rehash of X2's plot. If they want to do the Purifiers, then they can go the Friends/Church of Humanity route with Grayden Creed, which hasnt been done

 

[Jh7058622]

Most of them seem either too pretty boyish to me and/or too old to play Wolverine. I don't even know the 3rd image actor. Plus I think skewing shorter, with young age and unconventional handsomeness works better. Ignoring shows isn't really my thing either.

You realize the character isn't a teenager so why does of all people Logan have to be a twentysomething?
Also this Jack O'Connell guy has the most baby face compared to all the actors I suggested and you know... the character of Wolverine. I mean this guy is 32 he's not ancient.

Either way it's not about my choices being best just that that guy looks nothing like the character. I mean have any of you guys actually seen Logan?
This is arguably the most iconic image of Logan does Jack look anything like this character?

Say what you will about Hugh but he did look like this character outside the height.

 

[psylockolussus]

Stryfe
Spiral
Mojo
Shadow King
Avalanche
Destiny
Mr. Sinister
Omega Red
Children of the Vault
Garokk
Zaladane
Sauron
Vertigo
Scalphunter
Bastion
Nimrod
Mastermold
Mikhail Rasputin
Abyss
Gazer
Ozymandias
Jamie Braddock
Emplate
Phalanx
Selene
Madelyn Pyror
Chimera
Unus the Untouchable
Mesmero
Arcade
Blockbuster
Cassandra Nova
Danger
Ord

The list goes on... No need to adapt Stryker again even if he's a Reverend this time.

 

[MilkmanDan]

and as I said in my last post, having him would still be a rehash of X2's plot. If they want to do the Purifiers, then they can go the Friends/Church of Humanity route with Grayden Creed, which hasnt been done

Craydon Creed would be a good replacement for Stryker as the anti-mutant reverend.

 

[The Infernal]

Just no to Stryker. He's been in what, 4 films? Enough with him. He'snot that core to the X-men mythos to be as overexposed as he has been and definitely doesnt need to be done again

Agreed. I'd love to see Nimrod, Mastermold and Bastion.

 

[Herofan]

I get the view that Fox (prequel) Mystique was too different from the comics, becoming a hero, but I personally don't like the version from TAS, at least after the first season (I haven't read a lot of her comics). She was so amoral and terrible it felt like the writers really disliked her and it was hard to find her believable or worth caring about. I think her only bit of decency, all she was able to do, was at the end of "Bloodlines" admitting that she was really bad.

Hopefully if she is in more films her portrayal can have more nuance between those extreme. I think the first three films are actually a fine approach; I can also see the view that she shouldn't work with Magneto but if they have similar goals why wouldn't she?

 

[Havok83]

I get the view that Fox (prequel) Mystique was too different from the comics, becoming a hero, but I personally don't like the version from TAS, at least after the first season (I haven't read a lot of her comics). She was so amoral and terrible it felt like the writers really disliked her and it was hard to find her believable or worth caring about. I think her only bit of decency, all she was able to do, was at the end of "Bloodlines" admitting that she was really bad.

Hopefully if she is in more films her portrayal can have more nuance between those extreme. I think the first three films are actually a fine approach; I can also see the view that she shouldn't work with Magneto but if they have similar goals why wouldn't she?

thats how she is in the books. Mystique is an amoral piece of sh-t. She has very little redeeming qualities. The TAS is more in line with how she should be. She isnt meant to be likeable. She's the worst and if she were in the MCU films, Id hope they'd have her like that and not a gray character. She should be firmly established as an evil person who does awful things

 

[Iceman]

Agreed. I'd love to see Nimrod, Mastermold and Bastion.

Yes please. All good examples of new directions outside of getting more Magneto, Mystique and Stryker. I want all those characters eventually too, but there are many villains out there after all these decades of comics.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The real Raven Darkholme is just a misunderstood mother who cares deeply for her mutant children. She's just a more lethal Selina Kyle.

 

[Endeavor]

She was so amoral and terrible it felt like the writers really disliked her and it was hard to find her believable or worth caring about. I think her only bit of decency, all she was able to do, was at the end of "Bloodlines" admitting that she was really bad.

That IS Mystique.
She's not supposed to be a good guy.
Even when she does something good you're supposed to be left wondering what she's got up her sleeve because she can never be trusted.
What you've seen J-Law play? I don't know what that is, but Mystique it aint.
Maybe a watered down version of Copycat/Vanessa. Maybe.

 

[Endeavor]

The real Raven Darkholme is just a misunderstood mother who cares deeply for her mutant children. She's just a more lethal Selina Kyle.

Eh. She's not completely evil and she does care about her children, but I don't know about deeply. She's been known to disregard their well being if it's in conflict with her agenda... And I'm not even talking about her relationship with Graydon.

 

[Iceman]

Not all villains are supposed to be grey anyway. I don't need the Witch King mellowing out over the course of LotR and buying Frodo pizza at the end.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Mystique always looks out for number one. Some of her actions might benefit her kids but that’s never her primary objective.

And that’s why fans love (to hate) her.