Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Frankeh]

Nothing really. People are just spinning the wheels until we hear some news whenever.

Not really nothing, Feige went from giving vague responses to acknowledging he's getting control of these characters soon.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not really nothing, Feige went from giving vague responses to acknowledging he's getting control of these characters soon.

I mean we've known that for a while. Bob Iger already mentioned this.

 

[Marvel united]

Wait what is happening??? I’ve been trying to catch up with everything.

Listen: Kevin Feige Reflects on Oscar Player ‘Black Panther’ and 10 Years of Marvel Studios

 

[Lip]

I don't think it's realistic to expect Marvel to have this huge X-Men movie events with no involvement from any other group besides mutants. Doctor Strange, T'Challa and Spider-Man weren't Avengers but they all got involved with the Thanos conflict because he's a threat to the entire planet.

Recently I saw someone in the Avengers thread pointing out how The Avengers movie should be about The Avengers, and I 100% agree. Huge events like IW and Endgame are absolutely fantastic to watch, but The Avengers also deserve more "intimate" stories focused more on the team.

Once the FOX deal is done, the MCU will have at least 50+ big heroes in a few years. I don't want them joining forces everytime a big villain show up.

An Apocalypse or Proteus or Onslaught or Phoenix-Force Jean (*which whenever Marvek gets around to adapting Dark Phoenix will likely include other non-mutant heroes for differntation) would have to have everybody involved. A world-ending event concerns more than just mutants.

So you'll have Hulk, Thor, Captain Marvel, Strange, FF, Guardians, the X-Men, New Mutants and X-Force to battle Proteus? Or even Apocalypse? I mean, the X-Men and the mutants deserve their stories of their own, don't you think? If you put some of the Avengers, Spidey, Panther and some FF, you'll have to share screentime with them. And as much as Marvel has handled well ensembles, it's too much characters to handle.

Why the X-Men and the mutant heroes can't have their own crossover events? You think they don't deserve it? They need the Avengers there to be popular? And why not have both: mutant crossover events and big MCU events?

Otherwise, what's the point of them being in the MCU in the first place?

So they can be done right. Having Rogue and Mystique facing Carol to get her right is one of the reasons. And, for me, it's mostly about the X-Men characters finally being treated right.

 

[Iceman]

Listen: Kevin Feige Reflects on Oscar Player ‘Black Panther’ and 10 Years of Marvel Studios

I love the bit about permission to plan X-Men stuff expected within 6 months. This would have all seemed like a pipe dream so recently.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

I think that approach could work for the MCU.

Govenment knows mutant have been here since centuries, and keep them secret with some proceedings

In 2000's, old friends Magneto and Xavier come into ideology conflict,
Magneto wants mutants supremacy to prevent government's persecution like he was persecuted by nazis, as child survivor of WWII)
Xavier founded x-men to etablish pacific coexistence humans/mutants and teach them at Xavier'school. They are clandestins and are unknown until post-Avengers4

As old timeline x-movies, Charles Xavier have already founded x-men before 2000, anti-mutants phenomenon

 

[Marvel united]

Recently I saw someone in the Avengers thread pointing out how The Avengers movie should be about The Avengers, and I 100% agree. Huge events like IW and Endgame are absolutely fantastic to watch, but The Avengers also deserve more "intimate" stories focused more on the team.

They absolutely do and they'll get that what with them winding down after Endgame.

Once the FOX deal is done, the MCU will have at least 50+ big heroes in a few years. I don't want them joining forces everytime a big villain show up.

They have to, if the villain threatens the entire planet. Are the Avengers, F4 and Spider-Man suppose to just sit by and do nothing while Apocalypse destroys California or Jean starts blowing up planets in the solar system? Other people getting involved just makes sense.

you'll have Hulk, Thor, Captain Marvel, Strange, FF, Guardians, the X-Men, New Mutants and X-Force to battle Proteus? Or even Apocalypse? I mean, the X-Men and the mutants deserve their stories of their own, don't you think? If you put some of the Avengers, Spidey, Panther and some FF, you'll have to share screentime with them. And as much as Marvel has handled well ensembles, it's too much characters to handle.

To be fair, Proteus can warp reality, time and space. At full power, he is one of the most dangerous mutants on the planet.

The X-Men will have stories of their own. Just like every other franchise in the MCU leading up to the Avengers. The difference is, the X-Men have multiple world-ending, apocalyptic threats. Look at it this way: in the comics, the Infinity Gauntlet storyline (from which IW was based on) was not called "Avengers: Infinity Gauntlet" simply "Marvel: Infinity Gauntlet". Marvel uses the Avengers as an anchor point to usher in each new Phase of their universe. The X-Men will undoubtedly have some enemies in their roster the same way the Avengers did -- that bring everybody together In the MCU.

Why the X-Men and the mutant heroes can't have their own crossover events? You think they don't deserve it? They need the Avengers there to be popular? And why not have both: mutant crossover events and big MCU events?

No, I just don't think its remotely realistic. With the way the MCU is going, it will take them at least 8 years to a decade for them to establish all of the various different branches of the X-Men like X-Force, X-Factor, Starjammers and Excalibur etc. Because it's not the "The Mutant Cinematic Universe". This is the Marvel Universe where interconnectivity is key to it's success. There is wayyy too much on their plate to set major crossover events built off of the X-Men universe alone. The only way it will be possible is if the MCU starts to shift into a mutant-oriented focus in the 2020s.

So they can be done right. Having Rogue and Mystique facing Carol to get her right is one of the reasons. And, for me, it's mostly about the X-Men characters finally being treated right.

But we both know this is not the main reason why people are excited over this deal. The X-Men being integrated into the wider Marvel universe, having crossovers with other Marvel heroes is a major selling point of this acquisition. That premise alone is how Sony marketed Homecoming and it worked. Why, then, should they be isolated away from the rest of the MCU? Making them coming to the MCU (where interconnectivity and crossovers are the building blocks of the entire thing) counterintuitive and completely pointless. Marvel may as well just make the X-Men universe seperate from the MCU.

 

[Jordacar]

I feel like once the MCU X-Men gets going, we're gonna get to Astroid M pretty quick. That first showed up in issue #5 of the old comics, but not a hint of it from the Fox films after two decades.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I definitely agree that once they have x-men back in their arsenal, the big universe crossover films don't need to be marketed/titled as 'Avengers: Enter Subtitle Here." They could just go with an event title, like Marvel Studios' Secret Wars.

The x-men, once they are re-established under marvel studios, will probably be as big, if not bigger, than the avengers brand once again.

 

[Marvel united]

I definitely agree that once they have x-men back in their arsenal, the big universe crossover films don't need to be marketed/titled as 'Avengers: Enter Subtitle Here." They could just go with an event title, like Marvel Studios' Secret Wars.

The x-men, once they are re-established under marvel studios, will probably be as big, if not bigger, than the avengers brand once again.

I agree and that's my ultimate hope as well. I just don't think a mutant-only adaption of Age of Apocalypse is realistic, because the X-Men will not exist in an alternative universe secluded from everybody else. Something like that would affect EVERYBODY in the MCU. So it stands to reason that more people than just the mutant heroes will be involved.

Dark Phoenix is probably not happening for a verrrrrry long time. And when it does, I'm willing to bet my left eye that it's going to be a hybrid of Avengers vs X-Men and the classic story from the comics. Marvel I could see wanting to use the full advantage the MCU gives them in differentiation to tell a fresh version of the story. Making It bigger than either Fox adaptation and bigger than it was in the original story.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The x-men, once they are re-established under marvel studios, will probably be as big, if not bigger, than the avengers brand once again.

Life is just one big circle. They were at one point Marvel’s hottest property and now they will be again soon. This whole Fox acquisition is just icing on a big ass cake for Feige. It helps that he loves the team.



They’re baaaaaaack.

 

[Marvel united]

Kevin Feige Says Diversity Will Be A Big Part Of The MCU In Phase 4

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Kevin Feige Says Diversity Will Be A Big Part Of The MCU In Phase 4

Has to be diversity for the next phase bro. Got Storm, Bishop, Jubilee, and a onslaught of blue people coming lol.

 

[BoredGuy]

Has to be diversity for the next phase bro. Got Storm, Bishop, Jubilee, and a onslaught of blue people coming lol.

lol yea, between the Kree having a bigger and bigger profile, including the possible start of a larger kree/skrull war story
added to nightcrawler, mystique, beast, and any number of other blue mutants
there's gunna be more blue people than white, black, and brown combined

 

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't hold my breath on a Marvel/Mystique/Rogue fight.

Marvel Studios doesn't always hew closely to the comics.

 

[Iceman]

I feel like once the MCU X-Men gets going, we're gonna get to Astroid M pretty quick. That first showed up in issue #5 of the old comics, but not a hint of it from the Fox films after two decades.

It was probably considered too out-there early on. The MCU has already been and is preparing to go all over space, so there's no reason not to introduce it reasonably quickly.

 

[TheVileOne]

That doesn't mean they will.

 

[Iceman]

I definitely agree that once they have x-men back in their arsenal, the big universe crossover films don't need to be marketed/titled as 'Avengers: Enter Subtitle Here." They could just go with an event title, like Marvel Studios' Secret Wars.

The x-men, once they are re-established under marvel studios, will probably be as big, if not bigger, than the avengers brand once again.

I would hope X-Men and Avengers films continue to be released regularly and all do huge numbers, and then we have Marvel Event Films (CW, IW and EG would have fallen into this category of the films released so far) which are the biggest MCU films of the lot. These team films with the ability to rotate characters across a huge potential roster can theoretically keep going and stay fresh long term.

 

[Iceman]

That doesn't mean they will.

This could be added after any post of this nature. It's surely obvious from the wording. There's no reason for me not to post this post. That doesn't mean I will. (whoops I just did!)

 

[TheVileOne]

The truth is, none of us know how they are going to present these characters yet and what we are going to see. Fans are simply fantasizing about what they want to see.

And it doesn't change the fact that Marvel Studios has in the past dramatically changed the backstories and origins and connections for many characters. So I think fans need to pump the breaks about how they are going to interpret things.

We are also still years away from seeing any finished products either.

 

[Iceman]

Govenment knows mutant have been here since centuries, and keep them secret with some proceedings

In 2000's, old friends Magneto and Xavier come into ideology conflict,
Magneto wants mutants supremacy to prevent government's persecution like he was persecuted by nazis, as child survivor of WWII)
Xavier founded x-men to etablish pacific coexistence humans/mutants and teach them at Xavier'school. They are clandestins and are unknown until post-Avengers4

As old timeline x-movies, Charles Xavier have already founded x-men before 2000, anti-mutants phenomenon

I agree all of the above could work with a smaller number of specific mutants having existed a long time, and numbers being confined to the hundreds worldwide till recently, and then numbers exploding after some event triggering the to-that-point latent gene in young mutants everywhere.

 

[Iceman]

The truth is, none of us know how they are going to present these characters yet and what we are going to see. Fans are simply fantasizing about what they want to see.

And it doesn't change the fact that Marvel Studios has in the past dramatically changed the backstories and origins and connections for many characters. So I think fans need to pump the breaks about how they are going to interpret things.

We are also still years away from seeing any finished products either.

Right. But this is a speculation thread. Isn't this how it has always worked at the Hype? The point of these threads, when there is no news, is for fans to speculate/fantasise about the possibilities with other fans. That's why I joined and why I keep coming back. It's a lot of fun to me. I understand if others just want to wait for official confirmations and not engage before that.

 

[Iceman]

Kevin Feige Says Diversity Will Be A Big Part Of The MCU In Phase 4

Sounds like they're really committing to it with this on the back of the comments last month.

 

[Darkprime]

Random thought. Charlie Cox for Cyclops if they don't use him as Daredevil again.

 

[Jordacar]

Random thought. Charlie Cox for Cyclops if they don't use him as Daredevil again.

Yeah, because Cyclops is soooooooo hard to cast