Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Shikamaru]

The floating timeline will fix any continuity problems with introducing mutants. All the Phase 1-3 movies will eventually have happened "a few years ago", so there'd be nothing unusual about mutants popping up.

 

[Marvel united]

I think that Xavier going to great lengths to hide the mutant presence is consistent with the character. SHIELD and other governments have surely encountered mutants over the years but never known where their powers came from. We know that Fury had at least one huge metahuman experience before the Avengers era (Carol and the Skrulls) that the Avengers never knew about. No reason there can't be more. Fury never tells anyone more than they need to know.

In that case, they could take a fair bit of inspiration from Ultimate X-Men. And establish a long history between Fury/Charles. In the Ultimates, the Weapon X project was sanctioned by SHIELD. Later when the X-Men saved Miami and the North Pole from Magneto's machine, Fury assimilated the X-Men/School for Gifted under SHIELD jurisdiction to protect it and make the X-Men legal.

In the MCU, it could be established that Fury/SHIELD worked in unison with Charles and Erik to keep mutants under wraps. At this point, there few enough in the world where it's not impossible. They can identify individuals with the X-Gene using a prototype of Cerebro and save them before any incidents occur. And if any incidents do, SHIELD sweeps it under the rug, covering it up. Of course, come time for the X-Men's first film, mutant births skyrocket to an insanely high number blowing the lid off the cover for everybody to see.

Wouldn't be surprised if they go that route

 

[Iceman]

I think that Xavier going to great lengths to hide the mutant presence is consistent with the character. SHIELD and other governments have surely encountered mutants over the years but never known where their powers came from. We know that Fury had at least one huge metahuman experience before the Avengers era (Carol and the Skrulls) that the Avengers never knew about. No reason there can't be more. Fury never tells anyone more than they need to know.

Yeah, all make sense. It fits with Xavier's character (Fury's too). And even if someone discovers a mutant before people know about mutants, they are just going to think it's another super-powered individual.

 

[Marvel united]

This is so epic. Brings me back to my childhood


The TAS Wasserman theme will probably be in the movie in some form or fashion, it's just as iconic as the 60s Spider-Man theme Marvel sampled in the intro of Homecoming. But what if Marvel incorporated it into the theme itself and made it the X-Men motif? Anytime the X-Men show up or have a triumph moment, we get a version of that theme in a beautiful orchestra.


That would make a lot of fans happy.

 

[Frankeh]

I'm not against Xavier mindwiping mutants from memory with Cerebro for the time being. At least until they have to be revealed, most likely through force by someone else (Magneto).

 

[Iceman]

We live in a world where minor petty crime exists in every country even though those countries have armies of millions of soldiers. Wouldn't it be quite straightforward to sort out which kid stole a mayo packet from the school tuck shop at lunch if you put the FBI and a thousand soldiers on the case? The big guys like the Avengers deal with the biggest threats. Thor and Dr Strange could sort out crime in NY in a week, but they have consistent larger scale cosmic threats to deal with. It shouldn't take that much suspension of disbelief as to why not every hero is brought in for every major threat when it happens in real life.

 

[Shoppy]

- Mutant boom happens (Mid-2019)

- Storm introduced in Black Panther 2 as as a young woman being worshipped as "the wind rider Goddess" by the Serengeti tribe in Kenya (2020)

- School for the Gifted is founded (2020)

- Rogue introduced in Captain Marvel 2 under the manipation of Mystique. She parts ways with Raven after realizing the error of her ways (2021)

- The O5 introduced In Spider-Man 3 in a small role. They help Spidey stop Goom and the other monsters from Planex from rampaging through Manhattan. Picture this but with the O5 instead of Johnny Storm.

Now we get to what everybody is waiting for Uncanny X-Men in 2022.

Not happening for many reasons...

We get Endgame and Spidey 2 this year and with GOTG 3 on hold indefinitely we're only getting two not three in 2020. One of those, probably the summer one, will be Black Widow and the November one will be either Eternals or Doctor Strange 2, probably the latter with the other taking the Nov slot in 2021
That leaves two slots in 2021 for Black Panther 2 and Shang Chi with Captain Marvel 2 then coming in the following year along with two others (Spidey 3 not being one of these because that will be announced separately on Sony's releases)
Throw in a third Ant-man movie in the summer of 2022 and that leaves one slot for something like Nova or Black Knight which are both rumoured to be in development and would fill the one new property a year quota If DS2 and Eternals end up the other way round.

Whatever Marvel's plans for Phase 4, they aren't going to be focussing on the X-Men yet .......... We don't get Dark Phoenix until late 2019 so unless they intended to merge the extant franchise into the MCU (which would seriously devalue the work put into the MCU timeline) they need time for a rebooted set of X-Men to seem fresh.

Maybe hints at mutants might happen towards the end of Phase 4 but it won't be in any of the films that fill the release dates between now and 2022.

It's more likely we'll get a Fantastic Four appearance or mention first.

It's going to be 3-5 years before mutants get a mention unless they stupidly decide to smash the universes together, re-write the Avengers' memories and ignore the fact the X-Men timeline is broken in multiple ways.

 

[Marvel united]

Not happening for many reasons...

We get Endgame and Spidey 2 this year and with GOTG 3 on hold indefinitely we're only getting two not three in 2020. One of those, probably the summer one, will be Black Widow and the November one will be either Eternals or Doctor Strange 2, probably the latter with the other taking the Nov slot in 2021
That leaves two slots in 2021 for Black Panther 2 and Shang Chi with Captain Marvel 2 then coming in the following year along with two others (Spidey 3 not being one of these because that will be announced separately on Sony's releases)
Throw in a third Ant-man movie in the summer of 2022 and that leaves one slot for something like Nova or Black Knight which are both rumoured to be in development and would fill the one new property a year quota If DS2 and Eternals end up the other way round.

Whatever Marvel's plans for Phase 4, they aren't going to be focussing on the X-Men yet .......... We don't get Dark Phoenix until late 2019 so unless they intended to merge the extant franchise into the MCU (which would seriously devalue the work put into the MCU timeline) they need time for a rebooted set of X-Men to seem fresh.

Maybe hints at mutants might happen towards the end of Phase 4 but it won't be in any of the films that fill the release dates between now and 2022.

It's more likely we'll get a Fantastic Four appearance or mention first.

It's going to be 3-5 years before mutants get a mention unless they stupidly decide to smash the universes together, re-write the Avengers' memories and ignore the fact the X-Men timeline is broken in multiple ways.

None of the scripts for any of the 2020-onward MCU films have been written yet. If the deal closes between January and March, and Black Panther 2's script is drafted in May or July, Marvel will legally be able to start incorporating the Fox characters into the MCU. And even if the script is penned before the deal is finalized, any subsequent rewrites (standard for the MCU) will be able to use the mutants. Storm will be available to the MCU. Ditto for the Captain Marvel 2 script. That will not be penned until late 2019-early 2020 and the deal will have long been finalized by then. Rogue is available. And so on and so fourth for any other MCU film that goes into pre-production after the first quarter of 2019.

There's no way Marvel will sit on the goldmine that is the X-Men property for 5 years and not even do so much as mention them in that time frame. Not with how much Bob Iger talks about the potential of the X-Brand.

None of the post 2020 films are even set on their slate. Hell, at point Disney has left all of the 2020 slots blank. Nova was rumored yeeearrss ago (even though I would love to see that movie), Shang-Chi has no release date and is in an early enough stage of development that it could be put on the backburner for any potential X-Men movie. Black Knight is nothing but weightless POSSIBLITY at this point. And the one thing all of these movies have in common is that they are being made out of necessity because of the fact that they do not have acesss to the X-Men, or the Fantastic Four for that matter. That could literally change this month if NBC is correct about the deal closing in the final week of January and Feige has made it clear that he's simply waiting for the call.

Once the deal closes, they are going to revaluate their plans and start planning the future of the MCU with the X-Men/F4 in mind. And it's not going to take 5 years for that to happen. We could see the effects of the deal start to materialize as early as THIS year if they sneak something into Endgame.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is so epic. Brings me back to my childhood


The TAS Wasserman theme will probably be in the movie in some form or fashion, it's just as iconic as the 60s Spider-Man theme Marvel sampled in the intro of Homecoming. But what if Marvel incorporated it into the theme itself and made it the X-Men motif? Anytime the X-Men show up or have a triumph moment, we get a version of that theme in a beautiful orchestra.


That would make a lot of fans happy.

I'd want it to be the main theme for the film, but I don't see it being more than just an intro reference like they did in Homecoming. It's unfortunate as that was the best piece of music in the entire movie.

 

[Iceman]

This is so epic. Brings me back to my childhood


The TAS Wasserman theme will probably be in the movie in some form or fashion, it's just as iconic as the 60s Spider-Man theme Marvel sampled in the intro of Homecoming. But what if Marvel incorporated it into the theme itself and made it the X-Men motif? Anytime the X-Men show up or have a triumph moment, we get a version of that theme in a beautiful orchestra.


That would make a lot of fans happy.

That sounds really good. I'd love to at least hear a hint of it in the MCU X-film.

 

[Shoppy]

None of the post 2020 films are even set on their slate. Hell, at point Disney has left all of the 2020 slots blank. Nova was rumored yeeearrss ago (even though I would love to see that movie), Shang-Chi has no release date and is in an early enough stage of development that it could be put on the backburner for any potential X-Men movie. Black Knight is nothing but weightless POSSIBLITY at this point. And the one thing all of these movies have in common is that they are being made out of necessity because of the fact that they do not have acesss to the X-Men, or the Fantastic Four for that matter. That could literally change this month if NBC is correct about the deal closing in the final week of January and Feige has made it clear that he's simply waiting for the call.

Once the deal closes, they are going to revaluate their plans and start planning the future of the MCU with the X-Men/F4 in mind. And it's not going to take 5 years for that to happen. We could see the effects of the deal start to materialize as early as THIS year if they sneak something into Endgame.

I hope they dont sneak something into Endgame because for that to happen would imply a merger with the current x-men franchise and it's too broken to throw them together.

As for the release dates ......... Are you seriously saying that movies already announced to be in development that dont have a script yet are going to get put back for movies that aren't even being considered for development yet?

 

[Abudefduf]

I dunno about Shang-Chi but there's no way Black Widow and Eternals get postponed in favor of the X-Men or FF. Both movies already have a script, a director and one of them is probably about to enter production. They won't get delayed

 

[Iceman]

Nothing really needs to get delayed. There’s plenty of time to introduce F4 and X-Men after the already announced films have come out. They can start planning and working on them now but they don’t need to come out all that soon.

 

[Marvel united]

I hope they dont sneak something into Endgame because for that to happen would imply a merger with the current x-men franchise and it's too broken to throw them together.

As for the release dates ......... Are you seriously saying that movies already announced to be in development that dont have a script yet are going to get put back for movies that aren't even being considered for development yet?

Well, it would have nothing to do with the current X-Men franchise. It would likely be a small mention/acknowledgment that the world is now aware that mutants exist. Dark Phoenix has no bearing on that, the movie is gonna come out and hopefully if Disney is smart, they'll find a way to bring it to Disney+ to stop damage to the brand.

Yes, yes I am. Because those movies are only being made because Marvel has gone deeper into the Rabbit hole trying to scavenge obscure properties to make up for the lack of X-Men/F4. Any movie that has merely been "announced" but is very early into pre-production can be delayed or even outright cancelled. We saw it happen with Inhumans after Perlmutter was fired and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again now that Marvel has their crown jewels back.

In short -- If Marvel had gotten the rights back to the X-Men and Fantastic Four 6 months ago, Shang-Chi wouldn't have been greenlit and we wouldn't be hearing second hand rumors about Black Knight.

I dunno about Shang-Chi but there's no way Black Widow and Eternals get postponed in favor of the X-Men or FF. Both movies already have a script, a director and one of them is probably about to enter production. They won't get delayed

I'd say both of those movies are too far in development now to get delayed although it's not impossible -- as we saw with Marvel basically rearranging their Phase 3 slate to make room for Spider-Man's movie. We've seen how flexible they can be with their slate.

But either way, Shang-Chi/anything else that does not even have a script written yet is subject to being reevaluated for the new properties.

 

[psylockolussus]

Now we get to what everybody is waiting for Uncanny X-Men in 2022.

- Cyclops
- Marvel Girl
- Storm
- Rogue
- Iceman
- Rictor
- Jubilee.

Do people really want Rictor in the team?? He's not even a member of the team innthe comics.

 

[Marvel united]

Do people really want Rictor in the team?? He's not even a member of the team innthe comics.

Do they? I wouldn't know as it's my roster. I got the idea after reading X-Factor investigations. He's been on practically every X-Team besides the X-Men and he's fought alongside them countless times so him being brought in as a main player is not that unbelievable. And he brings more diversity to the team in both race and LGBTQ representation so he's a good candidate.

Lesser known minority character that Marvel can make a bigger deal.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Factor is a splinter team, not the main X-Men.

Also why use Rictor, when the films haven't featured Northstar, who actually joined the X-Men.

 

[Lip]

And he brings more diversity to the team in both race and LGBTQ representation so he's a good candidate.

I'd rather see Rictor on a X-Factor Investigation TV Show. I think the TV format would be the best place to develop his relationship with Shatterstar.

 

[Marvel united]

X-Factor is a splinter team, not the main X-Men.

Also why use Rictor, when the films haven't featured Northstar, who actually joined the X-Men.

Yes, I know that. But he's been a member of New Mutants, X-Force, and both versions of X-Factor. Basically every X-Family team besides the X-Men itself.

You can use Northstar too.

I'd rather see Rictor on a X-Factor Investigation TV Show. I think the TV format would be the best place to develop his relationship with Shatterstar.

I agree. Plus X-Factor Investigations is best suited for a TV show on Disney+. Most of the members are not VFX-heavy


With the exception of maybe M and Guido but you can hire a bodybuilder to play his character.

 

[psylockolussus]

No he's more suited to those splinter teams not the actual X-Men. You won't be honoring the source material if you just put anyone in the team, that wasn't even a member in the comics, especially the X-Men. Bishop, Northstar, Mimic, Cecilia Reyes, Psylocke, Revanche.... I could mention dozens of characters more deserving than Rictor to appear alongside the A-list X-Men especially for the first film.

As for a X-Factor or X-Factor Investigations, I would rather see it get a film trilogy treatment as Marvel Television always have restrictions with their tv shows.

 

[Iceman]

I would rather get Rictor on one of the splinter teams too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I actually liked Rictor's cameo in Logan but of course in true foX fashion, they had no intention of using that character after that movie. For the splinter teams, I think Marvel Stud10s would start doing them in the 2030s which is gonna be a long wait. But I hope their plan would be like this (this doesn't include cross overs/cameo in other Marvel Stud10s films)

2020s: Three Uncanny X-Men films
2030s: Three to four Uncanny X-Men films

Early 2030s: First New Mutants film
Mid 2030s: First X-Force film
Late 2030s: First X-Factor film

And then a huge mutants crossover film featuring the X-Men, the New Mutants, the X-Force and the X-Factor. Damn that would be massive!

Those three are the only splinter teams I want to see. Alpha Flight (which isn't a X-Men splinter), eXcalibur, Young X-Men, eXiles, Generation X - I wouldn't mind those but I can live without them. Its crazy how many X-Men spin offs can be released, but keep in mind that Marvel also have plenty of other properties.

 

[Marvel united]

If Marvel can go up to 4 films a year, I wouldn't be surprised if we get some splinter team spinoffs in the mid to late 2020s. Some of them will be going to Disney+ too like Generation X and X-Factor Investigations. They'll have higher budgets than the ABC or the Netflix shows. That's something you don't have to worry about what with them doing a Falcon/Bucky show and a Vision/Scarlet Witch show. Plus they'll be produced by the Marvel Studios crew and directly connected to the MCU, so they'll be able to easily crossover into the movies.

The second X-Men trilogy in the late 2020s-early 2030s should definitely, definitely get into the M-Day stuff. It's been a pretty big part of the comics for the past 12 years or so since House of M. It makes sense for the MCU too as the climax of the Messiah Complex trilogy leads to the X-Men fighting the Avengers. Messiah Complex could be the major mutant crossover with all of the various teams.

 

[BoredGuy]

We all gon' be dead before that happens anyway
lol

 

[Lip]

I'd love to see Val Cooper's X-Factor on the big screen. But the Investigation one I'd rather see as a TV show. It has the right structure.