Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Iceman]

This is the same point I’ve been making for months to no avail. Because Singer’s X-Men somehow show the only way this could turn out, even though the SCRIPT was at fault there, NOT the characters ages. Not to mention Singer’s LIMITED vision of this property and it’s characters.

Marsden’s Cyclops could have absolutely had development. If Wolverine’s backstory was explored by having Stryker show up as a villain, Cyclops’ backstory could have been explored by having Sinister show up as a villain. It’s really not that hard and it writes itself.

I would have loved X3 to go down that route instead.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't really think there's any need or reason to expect them to be sticklers about the traditional age groupings. The only ones that should be the same age are those who have specific relationships with each other.

This is another detail I missed. Everybody is so busy trying to make sure Logan and Charles' origins are still rooted in the past. We're forgetting about the characters whose origin stories are important to the present i.e Rogue, Kurt, Northstar etc. If we're to assume there was only a small number of mutants before the spike in mutant birth happens in the 2020s (The O5 were some of these very few), some of the classical peers of the core X-Men are going to have to have to be teenagers/much younger than the main group to reflect the newest generation of mutants. We could end up with a teenage Rogue and Gambit to a mature adult Bobby Drake. A consequence of trying make the O5 older

I think the missing point is that I don't envision Scott being the focus of the stories. The sort of development you talk about would happen with the focal mutants. Scott would be support. I'm just personally more interested in seeing him grow in relation to his own students and potentially questioning Xavier's more dubious actions than see him struggle to become a leader. At this point, that arc has kind of become cliched within the MCU.

Also, I really don't think Cyclops having more experience than other heroes is illogical. He's been training and operating in secret for years. It establishes him as a big deal. And let's face it, odds of Scott meeting Tony or Steve at this point are sadly pretty slim.

Then we're arguing for and against two very different things, dude. I think that this is the only way that the Cyclops that exists in your pitch can work in the MCU and serve the story. If the character is not a lead but a supporting beam for a younger group of characters who are the main protagonists of the story. Cyclops and others play the sage-like mentor i.e Hank Pym in THEIR journey to self-discovery.

I'm not there for that idea but at least it makes some semblance of sense for why and how Cyclops would exist in that form in the narrative of your story. Many other pitches I've seen champion a mid 30s MCU Cyclops as the lead -- seemingly nescient of how it makes no sense.

Your story would still be a Harry Potter-esque coming of age centered around a group of kids trying to find their footing in the world. The only difference to my pitch and @DrCosmic pitches is that Cyclops & Jean are Gandalf and Dumbledore instead of Harry & Hermione.

Your idea of what the MCU X-Men should be is not that different from mine in concept.

 

[sleekstereo]

After watching some clips, I'm sold on Lucas Hedges playing Cyclops.

I still think they'll go with a leading lady for Jean Grey. I'm leaning on Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan right now.

 

[sleekstereo]

Also, The Cosmic Wonders theory of how mutants are going to enter the MCU is really solid:

Theory: The mind stone is the Phoenix force from the last universe and if destroyed in Endgame, it unlocks the mutant gene in the Universe. They reference the Age of Ultron movie comic, which said the mind stone "unlocked" Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's powers. In other words, it activated the mutant gene.

 

[Marvel united]

How about Brandon Flynn as Scott?

 

[Iceman]

After watching some clips, I'm sold on Lucas Hedges playing Cyclops.

I still think they'll go with a leading lady for Jean Grey. I'm leaning on Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan right now.

Hailee is getting cast as everyone lol, which is cool. Sign her up!

 

[Dark Raven]

I highly doubt they will. They aren't going to get the X-Men back: their crown jewelry, and have Scott and the other X-Men in the background -- playing Hank Pym to a young group of mutants.

Those characters can be on the roster but I don't want Scott and the signature as the grizzled Dumbledore-like figures in the background

They should go further and more extreme than Hank Pym. Get Kirk Douglas as Scott. He is 102 years old. But they need to hurry up before he gets too old to play him.

 

[BoredGuy]

Your story would still be a Harry Potter-esque coming of age centered around a group of kids trying to find their footing in the world. The only difference to my pitch and @DrCosmic pitches is that Cyclops & Jean are Gandalf and Dumbledore instead of Harry & Hermione.

That would be one old ass Scott and Jean lol
I'd picture them more like the Weasely twins or Cedric Diggery to Kitty and Rogue's Harry & Ron, aged as they were around Deathly Hallows

 

[CaptainWagner]

Then we're arguing for and against two very different things, dude. I think that this is the only way that the Cyclops that exists in your pitch can work in the MCU and serve the story. If the character is not a lead but a supporting beam for a younger group of characters who are the main protagonists of the story. Cyclops and others play the sage-like mentor i.e Hank Pym in THEIR journey to self-discovery.

I'm not there for that idea but at least it makes some semblance of sense for why and how Cyclops would exist in that form in the narrative of your story. Many other pitches I've seen champion a mid 30s MCU Cyclops as the lead -- seemingly nescient of how it makes no sense.

Your story would still be a Harry Potter-esque coming of age centered around a group of kids trying to find their footing in the world. The only difference to my pitch and @DrCosmic pitches is that Cyclops & Jean are Gandalf and Dumbledore instead of Harry & Hermione.

Your idea of what the MCU X-Men should be is not that different from mine in concept.

Yeah, like I said I feel like we've just been failing to understand where each other was coming from. Sorry about that.

I just personally don't think Cyclops will be the lead of the new franchise. I'll admit part of that is from personal preference, but I really do think that Feige and company will want the focus to be on mutants who haven't been leads in the previous series.

 

[Iceman]

I would like Cyke and Storm as co-leaders.

 

[Lip]

I just want to say that we're finally getting more relevant infos from Feige. He recently talked about Adam Mckay and a Silver Surfer movie, and that he's excited to get his hands not only on the big characters, but the small ones too. Well, by "small", I'm not sure if he's talking about properties not big as X-Men, like New Mutants or other mutant groups. Or if he's talking about obscure properties like Guardians. Either way, I'm excited.

He's starting to spill the t, y'all...

 

[Iceman]

I just want to say that we're finally getting more relevant infos from Feige. He recently talked about Adam Mckay and a Silver Surfer movie, and that he's excited to get his hands not only on the big characters, but the small ones too. Well, by "small", I'm not sure if he's talking about properties not big as X-Men, like New Mutants or other mutant groups. Or if he's talking about obscure properties like Guardians. Either way, I'm excited.

He's starting to spill the t, y'all...

Yes, that was awesome to read after all the guarded non-statements we've had to endure of late. I would love to know what his favourites are. Hopefully he spills the beans on that too at some point.

 

[Lip]

Yes, that was awesome to read after all the guarded non-statements we've had to endure of late. I would love to know what his favourites are. Hopefully he spills the beans on that too at some point.

I'm curious about his plans. There. Is. So. Much. He can do it those characters. So much properties and possible film franchises...
It's mindblowing

 

[Iceman]

I'm curious about his plans. There. Is. So. Much. He can do it those characters. So much properties and possible film franchises...
It's mindblowing

There's decades of material available. There can't be many banks of fiction that have more content than the history of Marvel and DC comics. When you can turn the likes of the Guardians into blockbuster successes it means there are endless options on the table, and even just with X-related properties. I need that 4 film a year announcement as soon as possible.

 

[Lip]

There's decades of material available. There can't be many banks of fiction that have more content than the history of Marvel and DC comics. When you can turn the likes of the Guardians into blockbuster successes it means there are endless options on the table, and even just with X-related properties.

Of course I'm super excited to see the big ones on the big screen like X-Men, New Mutants, X-Factor, X-Force, etc... But I'm also very curious about what kind of "obsucure" property they can pull out of the mutant universe.

David wasn't an obsucure character such as the GoTG, but he was a very odd choice the first time I heard. But Legion turned out to be great.

I need that 4 film a year announcement as soon as possible.

Me too!

 

[Iceman]

Of course I'm super excited to see the big ones on the big screen like X-Men, New Mutants, X-Factor, X-Force, etc... But I'm also very curious about what kind of "obsucure" property they can pull out of the mutant universe.

David wasn't an obsucure character such as the GoTG, but he was a very odd choice the first time I heard. But Legion turned out to be great.



Me too!

I think especially with the additional possibilities of the big budget mini-series and Disney’s need for content for their streaming app, we could be getting all kinds of weird and wonderful propositions and combos. Times have never been more exciting for CBM fans, and particularly X-Men/F4 fans.

 

[Heretic]

There are certainly decades of movie material that can be mined from the comics...which is why it baffles me that people are dream casting actors in their mid-30s for a franchise about teenagers. I'm still thinking of actors like Alyvia Alyn Lind (11 years old, I think) and Jacob Tremblay (12 years old)...just to pick two age appropriate actors out of a virtual hat. I would HATE it if Cyclops debuted as a guy in his 30's as a student at a school who developed powers during the puberty he just went through.

 

[Lip]

I think especially with the additional possibilities of the big budget mini-series and Disney’s need for content for their streaming app, we could be getting all kinds of weird and wonderful propositions and combos.

Great place to expand the mutant universe.

Times have never been more exciting for CBM fans, and particularly X-Men/F4 fans.

Exactly!

 

[Lip]

I'm still thinking of actors like Alyvia Alyn Lind (11 years old, I think) and Jacob Tremblay (12 years old)...just to pick two age appropriate actors out of a virtual hat. I would HATE it if Cyclops debuted as a guy in his 30's as a student at a school who developed powers during the puberty he just went through.

 

[Nardz937]

That interview was great. Feige was talking like it is pretty much a done deal. Very exciting

 

[Abudefduf]

I bet Feige is very relieved that this timely deal is going to spare him the hassle of having to make a Black Knight movie. lol

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, like I said I feel like we've just been failing to understand where each other was coming from. Sorry about that.

I just personally don't think Cyclops will be the lead of the new franchise. I'll admit part of that is from personal preference, but I really do think that Feige and company will want the focus to be on mutants who haven't been leads in the previous series.

Fair enough. I think Scott qualifies for "mutant who hasn't been a lead". He has never been a lead in an X-Men movie. He structurally functions as a supporting character in every X-Men he's appeared. Either to Wolverine, Charles/Erik and/or Mystique. For that reason, I could see Feige taking great interest in building a compelling character in Summers and making a spiritual successor to Evans' Steve Rogers.

There are certainly decades of movie material that can be mined from the comics...which is why it baffles me that people are dream casting actors in their mid-30s for a franchise about teenagers. I'm still thinking of actors like Alyvia Alyn Lind (11 years old, I think) and Jacob Tremblay (12 years old)...just to pick two age appropriate actors out of a virtual hat. I would HATE it if Cyclops debuted as a guy in his 30's as a student at a school who developed powers during the puberty he just went through.

You and me both, bud. Although I'd cast actors in the same age-range as Tom Holland for Scott. I got a feeling that Marvel will want that synergy between Spider-Man and the X-Men in the MCU.

Kitty Is the character who should be being fancast with actors that are currently in the 12-15 age range.

I would like Cyke and Storm as co-leaders.

This is a great idea that sets up a new dynamic for the franchise. I could see this becoming a subplot. At this point - Scott has more field experience than Storm, more experience leading the X-Men. But Ororo is older than him and has more control over her powers. Ororo as more of an older sister to him and Charles made her supervisor over the team basically a co-leader. I know Charles was trying to step on Ororo's toes on Batteplanet when it came to leading the X-Men and she wasn't having it.

It would be a good source of drama and set up for an arc that will have a very satisfying payoff. If we had Scott and Ororo butting heads at times over how to lead the X-Men.

 

[Iceman]

This is a great idea that sets up a new dynamic for the franchise. I could see this becoming a subplot. At this point - Scott has more field experience than Storm, more experience leading the X-Men. But Ororo is older than him and has more control over her powers. Ororo as more of an older sister to him and Charles made her supervisor over the team basically a co-leader. I know Charles was trying to step on Ororo's toes on Batteplanet when it came to leading the X-Men and she wasn't having it.

It would be a good source of drama and set up for an arc that will have a very satisfying payoff. If we had Scott and Ororo butting heads at times over how to lead the X-Men.

Well explained, that's exactly how I was seeing it

After any teething issues I would love when it all came together and the leadership structure started running smoothly with them complementing each other and working well together.

 

[Iceman]

That interview was great. Feige was talking like it is pretty much a done deal. Very exciting

Yep, haven't heard that kind of language and response before. It really feels different and awesome to hear.

 

[Iceman]

Great place to expand the mutant universe.



Exactly!

I could never have predicted that mini-series would become an avenue for us to get a wealth of new material, but when they mentioned big budget it sounded hopeful. And now that they will be competing with the likes of Netflix and Amazon Prime for streaming shows they will be screaming out for content. And if they get this stuff right from the outset it could be the case that the GA chooses to watch all of it as one huge supporting show to the films, rather than treating them all individually and picking and choosing in the way that regular shows find themselves.