Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Tg11]

I mean Patrick Schwarzenegger...Arnie's son was my 2nd choice for Angel believe it or not

 

[Marvel united]

New 4chan rumors

/co/ - Marvel - New Rumours About X-Men and Fant4stic - Comics & Cartoons - 4chan

 

[CaptainWagner]

I know that some stuff that turned out to be true has popped up on 4chan before, but that all sounds like a heaping pile of BS. Has that source ever posted anything before?

Also, the comments on that post... I forgot how disgusting 4chan is

 

[Heretic]

BREAKING NEWS: Anonymous person on the most ridiculous anti-Captain Marvel forum posts baseless claims about the next Marvel movie.

 

[Zorro]

I'd introduce Wolverine in a post-credit scene in the first X-Men film. It would be similar to the Fury post-credit scene in Iron Man. Logan would show up and Charles would be there waiting for him to invite him into the X-Men.

Perfection right there!

 

[Marvel united]

I wonder when the earliest we'll see the New Mutants kids in the MCU and whether "X-Factor" will be the same as it is in the comics i.e the O5 disguised as a task force company that collects problematic mutants

 

[Mad Ones]

I wonder when the earliest we'll see the New Mutants kids in the MCU and whether "X-Factor" will be the same as it is in the comics i.e the O5 disguised as a task force company that collects problematic mutants

I wouldn’t mind if the movies unfolded a franchise slowly in the same way the comics did, but not super strictly beholden to the exact casts and stories.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I wonder when the earliest we'll see the New Mutants kids in the MCU and whether "X-Factor" will be the same as it is in the comics i.e the O5 disguised as a task force company that collects problematic mutants

I would go with never doing that "secretly we pretend to be Mutant Busters but we are gathering them in reality" angle with X-Factor as well as keeping them from being made up of characters Like Scott, Jean, Hank etc. keep them X-Men. I would introduce X-Factor as the public, government backed task force with Val Cooper as their Fury styled handler.

We shouldNever Expect these movies to slavishly follow five decades of continuity. No MCU film so far has. Broad strokes, yes. I would love to see things like X-Force, New Mutants and Excalibur emerge years after the X-Men have had a few films under their belt in the MCU but I will understand if say they do an X-Force film before they do a New Mutants film or if X-Factor starts off with the Alex, Lorna, Maddox line up without the comics history leading up to it.

This was the case with the other properties and the Mutants will be no different.

As fans I think we should really temper our expectations with this stuff. Films are not produced in the volume comics are. They can't get to the same points stretched out over decades like comics. Truncation and adaptation is the name of the game, sometimes even total elimination is what happens for a variety of good and practical reasons. I don't have to like it but I think by now we fans would understand and accept it rather than build up these sky high expectations.

 

[Mad Ones]

I dont think anyone actually has those expectations

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, it’s fun to speculate wildly but I don’t think anyone (here at least) has expectations around that level. We’re all hoping for the best of course but X-fans (unlike MCU fans) have had plenty of false dawns to keep expectations from getting too crazy.

 

[Marvel united]

I would go with never doing that "secretly we pretend to be Mutant Busters but we are gathering them in reality" angle with X-Factor as well as keeping them from being made up of characters Like Scott, Jean, Hank etc. keep them X-Men. I would introduce X-Factor as the public, government backed task force with Val Cooper as their Fury styled handler.

We shouldNever Expect these movies to slavishly follow five decades of continuity. No MCU film so far has. Broad strokes, yes. I would love to see things like X-Force, New Mutants and Excalibur emerge years after the X-Men have had a few films under their belt in the MCU but I will understand if say they do an X-Force film before they do a New Mutants film or if X-Factor starts off with the Alex, Lorna, Maddox line up without the comics history leading up to it.

This was the case with the other properties and the Mutants will be no different.

As fans I think we should really temper our expectations with this stuff. Films are not produced in the volume comics are. They can't get to the same points stretched out over decades like comics. Truncation and adaptation is the name of the game, sometimes even total elimination is what happens for a variety of good and practical reasons. I don't have to like it but I think by now we fans would understand and accept it rather than build up these sky high expectations.

I'm sure we're all aware that these movies are definitely not going to be a 1:1 adaption of the source material. I really dug the original X-Factor but I guess I'd be fine with them doing the Government-created strike force team from jump.

X-Force on the other hand... Now that's a bit more tricky because it was primarily made up of retired New Mutants members. Now this is probably why Reynolds' version is based on the 2010 Uncanny X-Force lineup. And of course, the New Mutants were created by Charles as a successor to the original five and X-Force was created by Cable as a successor to the New Mutants.. So there's definitely a lot of significant history there. I'd prefer to see that story unfolded in a similar way to the comics for the MCU X-Force.

Since Reynolds is already doing the Uncanny team, It makes sense for the MCU to use the 90s team when they get around to it

 

[Lip]

I really love this team and Peter David's run. I'd love to see them on the big screen:

I really love Investigations as well, but I feel it should be a TV show.

 

[Raiden]

Early to mid 30s is ideal for Logan. Jackman was only 30 when he was cast

Very nice fancast I have a lot of the same choices. I haven't done a fancast list in a longtime so I have a lot of new choices

Charles - Billy Crudup
Scott - Dylan O'Brien
Jean - Eleanor Tomlinson
Storm - Kiki Layne
Forge - Kiowa Gordon
Bobby - Charlie Plummer
Rogue - Hailee Steinfeld

Psylocke - Gemma Chan

I don't care that she already played a Kree; they can pretend there's a mutant who looked like her.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I find it interesting that so many want the films to follow the books... But then with Psylocke they want to jump right into her sexy Asian female form and totally forget about her being born an English woman and actually being around for years in the comics like that before the whole convoluted plot where she changed places with a ninja chick.

 

[Raiden]

I find it interesting that so many want the films to follow the books... But then with Psylocke they want to jump right into her sexy Asian female form and totally forget about her being born an English woman and actually being around for years in the comics like that before the whole convoluted plot where she changed places with a ninja chick.

That's because the original Psylocke was beautiful but bored. It's the same reason why people don't pay attention to the Rogue that has no Ms. Marvel powers of flight and super strength.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That's because the original Psylocke was beautiful but bored. It's the same reason why people don't pay attention to the Rogue that has no Ms. Marvel powers of flight and super strength.

I think it's more age. The kids that grew up with the Jim Lee era X-Men have that and the cartoon as their reference. Let's also be honest... Both went from being rather plain in presentation to suddenly having perfect porn star bodies. Original Rogue is a short haired and slender bodied young woman that was evocative of the punk aesthetic. Betsy was a chirpy but innocent looking young woman. Both got popular once the sex appeal factor was turned up to 11.

 

[Heretic]

Is that whole convoluted story worth telling? Nope. In that case, you might as well start her where you want her to end up, looks wise.

 

[Lip]

It has nothing to do with her being "sexy"

That whole "changing" bodies thing is very confusing and in mine (and many others) opinion is silly to adapt in a movie. So most of us don't want that story adapt. Just like many of us don't want Madelyne Pryor adapted. And since there is a lack of representation on the X-Men, it sounds like a no brainer making Betsy as asian from the start.

 

[Marvel united]

I think it's more age. The kids that grew up with the Jim Lee era X-Men have that and the cartoon as their reference. Let's also be honest... Both went from being rather plain in presentation to suddenly having perfect porn star bodies. Original Rogue is a short haired and slender bodied young woman that was evocative of the punk aesthetic. Betsy was a chirpy but innocent looking young woman. Both got popular once the sex appeal factor was turned up to 11.

Lol luckily I grew up with a wide variety of X-Men exposure from all eras due to my dad being an og comic nerd. But in all seriousness, I think a major problem with Betsy though is the mind swap ordeal with Kwannon. That's highly problematic in today's climate. So I'm guessing that's another reason why people automatically fancast with Psylocke in mind only..

I think could have her start off as the telepath (who is already Asian) and I guess let her develop the Psi constructs as part of her untapped potential she didn't know she had.

Rogue of course should not start off as a hero right out the gate

 

[Lip]

Also, I was born in the 90s. My first contact with the X-Men was through the animated series. I'm not ashamed of saying that. That animated series and the 90s/Jim Lee's era is strongly connected to my childhood and I have a deep affection to it. So I don't get this condescending way people talk about people who grew up in the 90s

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Lol luckily I grew up with a wide variety of X-Men exposure from all eras due to my dad being an og comic nerd. But in all seriousness, I think a major problem with Betsy though is the mind swap ordeal with Kwannon. That's highly problematic in today's climate. So I'm guessing that's another reason why people automatically fancast with Psylocke in mind only..

I think could have her start off as the telepath (who is already Asian) and I guess let her develop the Psi constructs as part of her untapped potential she didn't know she had.

Rogue of course should not start off as a hero right out the gate

That's pretty much how they did it in the WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN series with Betsy. I also though that was the best version of her costume.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Also, I was born in the 90s. My first contact with the X-Men was through the animated series. I'm not ashamed of saying that. That animated series and the 90s/Jim Lee's era is strongly connected to my childhood and I have a deep affection to it. So I don't get this condescending way people talk about people who grew up in the 90s

That's just what an overly sensitive 90's Kid would say.

 

[Marvel united]

Also, I was born in the 90s. My first contact with the X-Men was through the animated series. I'm not ashamed of saying that. That animated series and the 90s/Jim Lee's era is strongly connected to my childhood and I have a deep affection to it. So I don't get this condescending way people talk about people who grew up in the 90s

Maybe it's more to do with the limited vision some have of what the X-Men should be, which in many cases -- is a live action adaptation of TAS/Jim Lee era. I grew around the same time too but an adaptation of Jim Lee's X-Men is not what I'm looking for in the first outing

 

[Lip]

Maybe it's more to do with the limited vision some have of what the X-Men should be, which in many cases -- is a live action adaptation of TAS/Jim Lee era. I grew around the same time too but an adaptation of Jim Lee's X-Men is not what I'm looking for in the first outing

A limited vision of the X-Men is not connected necessarily to the TAS. I see a lot of people wanting the O5 in the first movies. A see a lot of people strongly against the idea of modernizing the updating the X-Men.

Jim Lee's era and TAS in an undeniable big influence in the X-Men in pop culture. I'm sure it will influence the movies in some capacity in a way or another. And it's not crazy to think that.

And Psylocke being asian has nothing to do with Jim Lee, and more with lack of representation and that silly storyline.

 

[Marvel united]

A limited vision of the X-Men is not connected necessarily to the TAS. I see a lot of people wanting the O5 in the first movies. A see a lot of people strongly against the idea of modernizing the updating the X-Men.

Jim Lee's era and TAS in an undeniable big influence in the X-Men in pop culture. I'm sure it will influence the movies in some capacity in a way or another. And it's not crazy to think that.

And Psylocke being asian has nothing to do with Jim Lee, and more with lack of representation and that silly storyline.

The vast majority of people definitely want Jim Lee era X-Men adapted on the big screen. And It's not wrong to say that because of that huge cultural impact, the 90s is seen by many as the definitive version of the X-Men. So any attempt to stray from that vision tends to alienate a huge portion of the fandom. Hence many not caring about who Rogue was before Jim Lee, ditto for the rest of the X-Men.

I agree completely about Psylocke not going through the Kwannon arc. She should just be Asian from the beginning. But I think what @KRYPTON INC. Is trying to illustrate is that people not wanting to see who Betsy Braddock was before the swap because "it's boring" i.e which in many cases is a result of the 90s "badass Psi Blade wielding ninja!" Betsy being the only one they know or rather, the only one they care about. Which is totally fine and fair and their right but he has a valid point.