Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[SumT]

I seriously don't need another solo Wolverine trilogy.

ugh, me neither. at least not that soon.
as long as Marvel puts the spotlight on a few other x-men in the first years, I'll be happy

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

If Wolverine is the Spider-Man or the Iron Man of the X-Men. The X-Men is the equivalent of the Avengers and the X-Menwere bigger @ one point. that's how big the X-Men are in the comics, thats why we got a handful of X-Men cartoons and videogmes and that's why the term Xbooks was created.

And by your example Wolverine is the most popular. So there's no reason to go 10-15 years without the most popular character.

And Wolverine has a large number of comic books, video games, and also cartoons.

 

[psylockolussus]

And by your example Wolverine is the most popular. So there's no reason to go 10-15 years without the most popular character.

And Wolverine has a large number of comic books, video games, and also cartoons.

You were saying that the Wolverine is Bigger than the X-Men. Thats not true at all. X-Men comics sell more than Wolverine comics. FoXverse peaked with Dofp not any of those Wolverine movies. Thats like saying Iron Man is bigger than the Avengers.

Also anyone can join the other ips. Storm in Bp, Rogue in CM, Psylocke in CB, Storm, Beast, Rogue, Havok in A, Storm in FF... that doesn't mean any of them are bigger than the X-Men.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

You were saying that the Wolverine is Bigger than the X-Men. Thats not true at all. X-Men comics sell more than Wolverine comics. FoXverse peaked with Dofp not any of those Wolverine movies. Thats like saying Iron Man is bigger than the Avengers.

In the year 2019 Wolverine is the most popular X-MAN. That's not a debate. If you think he won't be in a X-MEN movie until 2036 youll be dissapointed

 

[psylockolussus]

In the year 2019 Wolverine is the most popular X-MAN.

He's big enough to cross over and headline solo stuff. And so what he's the most popular? still not bigger than the X-Men. Show me the receipts in which Wolverine alone is more marketable/ successful than the X-Men.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Show me the receipts in which Wolverine alone is more marketable/ successful than the X-Men.

Logan made more than X-MEN: Apocalypse

 

[SumT]

I seriously don't need another solo Wolverine trilogy.

It won't matter how tired he is if Marvel signs him to a 9 movie contract like they did Samuel L. Jackson and Sebastian Stan. He'd be contractually obligated to play the part for as long as he's signed. And really, why would he get tired? It's an annual paycheck coming in for him every year and especially if it's an unknown actor like Jackman was, they'd want to hold onto the role for as long as they can. The MCU is thd biggest franchise in the world right now


Wolverine is extremely long-lived. The only way him "retiring" would make sense is if he's dead. He's always the one at the very beginning and the very end. He outlived all of the X-Men in Old Man Logan. That's part of the tragedy of the character imo

if he signs a 9 movie contract, then that would mean a 9 years run

I honestly think you are overestimating his stay in the franchise. comparing him to Fury/Jackson is not a good example, since Fury is a supporting/minor role in the universe, not an actual avenger (A-list). Wolverine will be an A-list, so appearing almost each year. so his contract will be done pretty soon. Specially if he appears twice on the same year (something I think none here has considered)
if Marvel does X-Men 3 and Hulk vs Wolverine in the same year, that would be 2 movies less in his contract.
next year Wolverine 2 and Avengers event, another 2.
so keep counting lol.

He wont appear during 15 years. its too much

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope the characters will be:
Late 20s/Early 30s for their first film: Cyclops, PhoeniX, Storm, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Bishop, Dazzler, Polaris, Havok, Cecilia Reyes, Sage, Thunderbird, Sunfire
Mid 20s: Jubilee (if they will introduce her similar to the comics, then a teenager), Iceman, Shadowcat, Prestige, Marrow
Teenage dream: X-23, EliXir, Wind Dancer, Tag, Wither, Hellion, Surge, Rockslide, Mercury, Prodigy, Wallflower, Gentle, Bling, Armor, Trance, Indra, Nature Girl, Oya, Mirage, Cannonball, Wolfsbane, Magik, Karma, Magma, Sunspot, Cypher, Wolf Cub, Ink, Pixie, Blindfold, Graymalkin, Loa, Squid Boy, Omega Kid
Mid 30s: Beast, Banshee, Moira MacTaggert, Forge
Late 40s/50s: The Wolverine, Professor X, Cable
Late 50s: Ernst

 

[psylockolussus]

Logan made more than X-MEN: Apocalypse

Logan didntmake more than Days of Future Past and X3 in America.

Also Wolverine is just one of X-Men's many branches... He is first and foremost a X-Men character. And lets see how much a Mcu X-Men film makes compare to a Mcu Wolverine film.

 

[Marvel united]

if he signs a 9 movie contract, then that would mean a 9 years run

I honestly think you are overestimating his stay in the franchise. comparing him to Fury/Jackson is not a good example, since Fury is a supporting/minor role in the universe, not an actual avenger (A-list). Wolverine will be an A-list, so appearing almost each year. so his contract will be done pretty soon. Specially if he appears twice on the same year (something I think none here has considered)
if Marvel does X-Men 3 and Hulk vs Wolverine in the same year, that would be 2 movies less in his contract.
next year Wolverine 2 and Avengers event, another 2.
so keep counting lol.

He wont appear during 15 years. its too much

Well, even then, 9 years is a long time. He wouldn't be done playing Wolverine until the early 2030s because that amount of films even if they are relatively concurrent - would still stretch to 10-11 years just as long as Downey has played Iron Man. And once he finishes his current contract, if Marvel had more stories to tell, he could sign for more films.

And it's not realistic to expect Marvel to hold off on him for 10-16 years nor for Logan to be played by a 50 year old imo

 

[SumT]

hold off? I think you misunderstood psyckolosus.

none has said Marvel should use Wolverine during 10 years, at least I havent read that ever on the net. Marvel will use him as soon as they can/want, but he wont be the be all end all of the MCU's XMen world, like happened at Fox.

 

[Marvel united]

hold off? I think you misunderstood psyckolosus.

none has said Marvel should use Wolverine during 10 years, at least I havent read that ever on the net. Marvel will use him as soon as they can/want, but he wont be the be all end all of the MCU's XMen world, like happened at Fox.

So he's saying that once Wolverine shows up, he won't be around the MCU for very long hence them casting someone the same age as Downey cuz they don't have longevity in mind? I don't see that happening either. Once Logan shows up, they're going to want to milk him as long as they milked Downey/original 6 Avengers. Of course the X-Men franchise should absolutely not revolve around him (i'm one of the biggest critics of Wolverine overexposure) but they're going to want to use him for more than 3 movies in the MCU

 

[SumT]

my guess is he will appear in 4-5 x-men movies (at most) and 2-3 avengers related movies. and some solos (2 or 3).

I dont see much more than that, and all of this can be done in one decade/11 years.

 

[CaptainCommando]

I imagine a scene where Wolverine nods at Banner saying "Hey there bub" where Banner awkwardly tells the others "Things happened in Canada."

You can even have the Hulk be a villain in a Wolverine throwback solo if it does come to fruition. Its free to dream.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Also Wolverine is just one of X-Men's many branches... He is first and foremost a X-Men character.

I really don't understand your argument here. You say he's first and foremost a X-MEN character but don't want him appearing in X-MEN movies.

is it oochie wally wally or is it one mic?

Wolverine doesn't need to be in a X-MEN movie to be successful. Others have already said he can support his own trilogy. You just seem to want people to forget he even exist or something. No solo or team appearances.

 

[Hellion]

I hope the characters will be:
Late 20s/Early 30s for their first film: Cyclops, PhoeniX, Storm, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Bishop, Dazzler, Polaris, Havok, Cecilia Reyes, Sage, Thunderbird, Sunfire
Mid 20s: Jubilee (if they will introduce her similar to the comics, then a teenager), Iceman, Shadowcat, Prestige, Marrow
Teenage dream: X-23, EliXir, Wind Dancer, Tag, Wither, Hellion, Surge, Rockslide, Mercury, Prodigy, Wallflower, Gentle, Bling, Armor, Trance, Indra, Nature Girl, Oya, Mirage, Cannonball, Wolfsbane, Magik, Karma, Magma, Sunspot, Cypher, Wolf Cub, Ink, Pixie, Blindfold, Graymalkin, Loa, Squid Boy, Omega Kid
Mid 30s: Beast, Banshee, Moira MacTaggert, Forge
Late 40s/50s: The Wolverine, Professor X, Cable
Late 50s: Ernst

Realistically, I don't think we'll see that many characters. Do I want to see them, yeah, of course, ... for me there is a kind of the I want versus what in probability is more realistic. I think most of the mid-20s and teen category above will not appear in a main X-Film, outside of the few main players you have listed there.

I was having a conversation with a few friends who actually follow the current Marvel, whether films, comics, etc., or grew up with it. And I have one friend who kinda feels like X-Men will now at some point override everything else. Almost like the MCU is ending and X-Men will take its place. And it's kinda having to explain, no, X-Men, and FF, they're being integrated into an existing universe

But part of the fun is the speculation…

I think we'll have a main X-Series with the main players. I think there could be a few team spin-offs on film, whether the seeds are planted in a main series, or without teasing. I can see some teams or characters on television.

Wolverine, I'd have be somewhat of an anchor between the overall MCU and the X-World. He can have his solo films, he can be a supporting player in the X-World, and he can pop up in any other teams or characters' worlds he's been a part of.

My wants as far as Spin-off teams for film… I don't think we'll see these, but I'm stuck in the early 90s on some things, and I'd like Excalibur, and early 90's X-Factor.

My wants for television… this is where I see most of you early-20s and teen sections… I'd do a hybrid of New Mutants/GenX/NewX-Men. Outside of Kitty and Jubilee, I don't see some of the teen X-Characters being use. And I know it will never happen, but I'm still wanting an adaption of Milligan/Allred's X-Force/X-Statix.

My wants, I want to show different sides of the mutant world. Excalibur for that international flair and some truly incredible and diverse characters, X-Factor for that government sponsored team, and for X-Factor/X-Statix… that seedy, reality TV celeb take on the mutant phenomenon.

 

[psylockolussus]

I really don't understand your argument here. You say he's first and foremost a X-MEN character but don't want him appearing in X-MEN movies.

is it oochie wally wally or is it one mic?

Wolverine doesn't need to be in a X-MEN movie to be successful. Others have already said he can support his own trilogy. You just seem to want people to forget he even exist or something. No solo or team appearances.

Quote my post in which I said I didn't want him to appear in a single X-Men mcu movie. My recent phase X thread included him there and I just included him in my roster list which featured him in the 2nd movie. You are mixing things up when I posted that I don't another Wolverine solo trilogy.

Iron Man, Captain America and Thor aren't even hitting 11 or 12 years IF they are killed or written out in Endgame. Wolverine can appear in 7 to 8 movies (counting cross overs / cameos) within the neXt ten years but beyond that would be eXcessive. There are so many characters that can carry the X-Men. They can feature a dozen of them in every film without Wolverine. With the right material, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Jean, Gambit, Beast, Psylocke, Angel, Iceman, Colossus, Shadowcat and Nightcrawler can be as popular as the Wolverine. Then there's also Emma, Havok, Jubilee, Polaris, Bishop, Forge, Dazzler (to name a few) that can be featured in supporting roles. They are set for a dozen films even if the Wolverine only appears for 2 to 3 X-Men films.

Also my original comment is, that Wolverine should be old, as old as Rdj. And which led to me disagreeing that Wolverine needs to stay for 15 years in the mcu, no thanks. 3 main X-Men movies, then crossovers and cameos in the other movies, in less than 10 years, thats fine. But not 11 to 15 years as there are other X-Men to utilize.

Then you came in saying that the Wolverine is bigger than the X-Men franchise.... uhh since when? Again read the last 2 pages instead of putting words into my posts.

Stop making things up.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Then you came in saying that the Wolverine is bigger than the X-Men franchise.... uhh since when? Again read the last 2 pages instead of putting words into my posts.

Stop making things up.

Since 2000 Wolverine is bigger than the X-MEN franchise just like Deadpool is now.

I mean honestly look at the last X-MEN cartoon it's freaking called Wolverine & The X-MEN.

There's a reason why he got a solo Anime and the other X-MEN didn't.

The books can't even kill him and leave him out that just created new versions of Wolverine until they brought him back. And surprise surprise when he returned Uncanny X-MEN sold more copies.

Does any X-MAN not named Wolverine have a single video game let alone multiple like Wolverine. He's been consistently the only X-MAN to support his own monthly title. No other X-MAN did that except Cable.

He has more screentime then all the X-MEN combined (not named magneto, Mystique, & xavier).

Alot of people in the general audience think his name is X-MAN and the others are just his sidekicks.

The movies elevated him to a status beyond the actual team the last 20 years. It is what it is at this point.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nope. I'm talking about everything, The comics, the cartoons the movies the videogame the characters the splinters, the FRANCHISE as you mentioned. Wolverine alone doesn't have the sales figures of the entire X-Men comic history. When Wolverine toys are being sold, its usually under the X-Men branding. Wolverine is not beneath or higher than the entire X-Men franchise as the X-Men has so many things that it can branch to. He might be the most popular but he is not bigger than the franchise/group of characters he came from. You might think he's that big because he got solo films and comics, but the X-Men are still bigger if you do some research.

And like I said Wolverine is under the X-Men branch, the X-Men family. His comics are still considered as X-Men solo comics, he is still an active X-Men. He didn't outgrow / outsell the X-Men.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ask anyone on the street to name an X-Men character and the first character more often than not that's gonna be named is Wolverine.

 

[Zorro]

I wouldn't mind 15 years of Wolverine in the MCU but just don't want him pushed as the face of the X-Men brand and be bigger than everyone else like in the fox films.

Cyks - Main Captain/Leader
Jean and Storm - 2nd in Command
Beast - The brains with some brawn

Logan - The badass muscle

 

[psylockolussus]

I would love to see Storm and the others lead a squad.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ask anyone on the street to name an X-Men character and the first character more often than not that's gonna be named is Wolverine.

Thanks for stating the obvious. No one is claiming he's unknown or unpopular.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Ask anyone on the street to name an X-Men character and the first character more often than not that's gonna be named is Wolverine.

He's just arguing to argue.

 

[Iceman]

I wouldn't mind 15 years of Wolverine in the MCU but just don't want him pushed as the face of the X-Men brand and be bigger than everyone else like in the fox films.

Cyks - Main Captain/Leader
Jean and Storm - 2nd in Command
Beast - The brains with some brawn

Logan - The badass muscle

Yeah Wolverine can be a huge MCU character in his own right without the X-Men. I want at least the first team X-film to not have him in a main role (could make for a good credit scene tease for the sequel). But after that I’d like to see him star in a bunch of X- films although he could also sit a couple out or play a lesser role in some as he is occupied elsewhere in the MCU.

I would also like them to show Beast as a competent fighter with much greater strength than the average opponent (without super strength), and amazing agility which opponents can’t keep up with.