Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Lip]

I just posted this on the WandaVision thread, but thought it appropriate here too...

What if...

Spoiler

In episode 3, Herb and Agnus are discussing "Geraldine" and why she's there. Herb says. "She's here because we're all ---." And Vision responds, "We're all what?"

That's the big question.

Well, what if...

She's here because we're all MUTANTS.:

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There are so many clues about Agnes being Agatha Harkness, and I feel like this is a safe bet.

But who knows...

 

[EnDz0n3]

OMG it's WILD. Like, I haven't followed a movie on this forum since DoFP, and in recent weeks I've been getting back into it and these youtube videos are insane. They're all so baseless and get 100K+ views in 1 hour.

LOL

You should totally do a Marvel Youtube channel as Aud.Ph.

 

[BMM]

Potential WandaVision Spoilers:

Spoiler

What's the working theory on why they'd bring in Evan Peters' Quicksilver and not Aaron Taylor-Johnson's?

And the Magneto thing seems wishful thinking.

Spoiler

Kids in sitcoms can grow at a convenient rate, and, from what I understand, we still have the 80s, 90s, and 00s left. Is it possible Peters is playing Speed, instead of Quicksilver?

 

[Protar]

Spoiler

Kids in sitcoms can grow at a convenient rate, and, from what I understand, we still have the 80s, 90s, and 00s left. Is it possible Peters is playing Speed, instead of Quicksilver, and something got lost in translation?

Spoiler

Unlikely, Peters is older than Elizabeth Olsen. And surely if you introduce Wiccan and Speed it's to include them in the Young Avengers.

 

[Jordacar]

We're 3 episodes in and we don't even know who the real villain is. I'm betting the way the show is structured makes it easier for them to keep things close to the chest. It'll be a helluva coup if Aaron TJ pops up, even as a ghost.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I really hope WandaVision is the first step in introducing mutants to the MCU

As for which X-Men should be the first to appear, as much as I’d like to see the original 5 be the starting point I feel it should be a mixed team. My ideal starting lineup:

Cyclops
Jean
Storm
Iceman
Nightcrawler
Jubilee or Kitty as the new recruit

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Jubilee, I think would be good. She was a character horribly treated by Fox. Just seeing how Marvel has turned some of their less than popular characters into household names now I cannot wait to see what they can do with her powers. Fireworks may seem like a useless power but I would love to see a scene where recreates something a like Big Bang like it’s 4th of July. LOL

 

[Lip]

Spoiler

The idea of Peters playing Quicksilver is just making me more and more nervous. I'm ok with it only if its a temporary thing with the multiverse.

Also, some people are saying that the secret actor Bettany mentioned could be Fassbender.

Ewwww... I don't want that. Although, if it is sir Ian McKellen, I would gag. Just as a cameo type of thing.

I would be like...

 

[JP]

LOL

You should totally do a Marvel Youtube channel as Aud.Ph.

Wait, I really should....

 

[Marvel united]

I really hope WandaVision is the first step in introducing mutants to the MCU

As for which X-Men should be the first to appear, as much as I’d like to see the original 5 be the starting point I feel it should be a mixed team. My ideal starting lineup:

Cyclops
Jean
Storm
Iceman
Nightcrawler
Jubilee or Kitty as the new recruit

The thing about the O5, is that there has to be a specific set of circumstances. If individual characters are introduced in other projects, then the team that comes together naturally won't be the O5. So it really depends on how bad Feige wants it/if he wants it all.

They may settle for the spirit of the O5. For me:

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Iceman
- Angel
- Jubilee

Close enough, right? Maybe take a page out of Evolution for McCoy

Jubilee, I think would be good. She was a character horribly treated by Fox. Just seeing how Marvel has turned some of their less than popular characters into household names now I cannot wait to see what they can do with her powers. Fireworks may seem like a useless power but I would love to see a scene where recreates something a like Big Bang like it’s 4th of July. LOL

I'd love to see Kitty, but Jubilee can also work as the POV for different reasons. She brings with her the 90s nostalgia trip, has an unexplored backstory (that is socially relevant + connective to the other orphaned X-Men), and informs a stylistic tone for the film.

Spoiler

The idea of Peters playing Quicksilver is just making me more and more nervous. I'm ok with it only if its a temporary thing with the multiverse.

Also, some people are saying that the secret actor Bettany mentioned could be Fassbender.

Ewwww... I don't want that. Although, if it is sir Ian McKellen, I would gag. Just as a cameo type of thing.

I would be like...

Spoiler

I would definitely freak if Ian showed up. I hope Evan Peters is the only one who comes back from the prequel trilogy if the goal is nostalgia, then they def need the OT actors

 

[Lip]

Bettany talked about the secret actor again.

Spoiler

We know actors can be clueless sometimes. And I thought maybe the secret actor is just Peters and Bettany just isn't aware people are already talking about this. But he really did say this hasn't been leaked. And the actor appears at the very end.

I really like the idea of Al Pacino playing Mephisto. He did say he wanted a role in the MCU.

It would be super cool.

 

[BobJM]

They may settle for the spirit of the O5. For me:

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Iceman
- Angel
- Jubilee

I think this is the move; this is the lineup I’ve been pushing for. It’s evocative of classic X-Men while still feeling fresh from the Fox movies.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Wait, I really should....

Do it. I'll be the first of many subscribers. And unlike the many MCU channels, you've actually read the comics!

 

[Marvel united]

I think this is the move; this is the lineup I’ve been pushing for. It’s evocative of classic X-Men while still feeling fresh from the Fox movies.

Exactly. Definitely want it to feel fresh. Maybe make Beast their coach?

Who would you choose as the villain(s)

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Exactly. Definitely want it to feel fresh. Maybe make Beast their coach?

Who would you choose as the villain(s)

I’d throw in Hank/Beast as well to serve as a mentor and fellow coach/teacher alongside Professor X

As for villain, I’d like to start off with Sinister

Depending what happens in WandaVision, maybe also introduce Magneto in a small capacity but he shouldn’t be the main villain right away

 

[BobJM]

Exactly. Definitely want it to feel fresh. Maybe make Beast their coach?

Who would you choose as the villain(s)

I just worry about overcrowding with adding support staff—it just seems a bit premature. But maybe Beast is exactly the character that can manage to be reintroduced in a small capacity because audiences are already so familiar with him from other films/cartoons/etc...

As for villains, I still like Karl Lykos/Sauron, & the U-Men. The mid-credits reveal is Mister Sinister, and post-credits is Magneto.

• Additional appearances by Senator Kelly, Reverend Hodge & Tanya Trask

plot breakdown

Publicly, Karl Lykos is the CEO of a major biogenetic & technologies empire which is why the US government turns to him with hefty military contracts to engage with the growing mutant ‘threat.’ Agent Valerie Cooper and her boss, Director Milbury, are the FBI’s mutant response division (MRD).

• Further mounting pressures from Senator Robert Kelly’s campaign trail and anti-mutant sentiment from televangelist talking head Reverend Hodge force the FBI’s hand and Dr. Tanya Trask jumpstarts Project: Wideawake.

Behind the scenes, Lykos is stealing mutant power for himself and his loyal followers, the U-Men (it’s insinuated that one of Lykos’ stolen powers is hypnosis—we’re not sure if the U-Men are fully there on their own accord).

• The U-Men would be similar to the Super Soldiers of CA: Civil War—played by stunt actors & performers; their faces obscured by protective suits and their powers the true focus.
• The U-Men are fodder for the X-Men to battle.

In the finale, the X-Men clash against the U-Men & the super-powered SAURON to save their new friend, Jubilee.

• In an effort to eliminate the mutant threat, the MRD launches a strike against the battling groups: THREE SENTINEL PROTOTYPES.

Mid-credits: It’s revealed that Director Milbury is actually Mister Sinister—he launched the Sentinel attack to cover his own tracks & experiments.

Post-credits: Rev. Hodge is preparing for his next TV appearance in his dressing room when he’s confronted by Magnus who kills him with his own metal cross.

 

[Silvermoth]

Riot at xaviers would be fun too. Plenty of opportunities to show off everyone’s power set and introduce Sinister in the shadows

 

[fan4stic]

Ralph Fiennes as Xavier
Logan Lerman as Cyclops
Olivia Cooke as Jean
Mena Massoud as Angel
Ronen Rubinstein as Iceman
Dev Patel as Beast
KiKi Layne as Storm
Milo Gibson as Wolverine
Dacre Montgomery or Harry Styles as Gambit
Jacob Elordi as Colossus
Odeya Rush as Shadowcat
Becky G or Blu Hunt as Rogue
Ryan Potter or Charlie Rowe as Nightcrawler
Imogen Poots as Emma Frost
Laura Fraser as Moira MacTaggert
Lucas Hedges as Kevin MacTaggert/Proteus

Oded Fehr as Magneto
Henry Cavill as Sabretooth
Rose Leslie as Mystique
Nonso Anozie as Blob
Jamie Bell as Toad
Antony Starr as Pyro

 

[Rem]

I think this is the move; this is the lineup I’ve been pushing for. It’s evocative of classic X-Men while still feeling fresh from the Fox movies.

I’m hoping the MCU chooses a lineup thats closer to the source material. The 05 or ANAD. I would settle for the animated series cast if they established that other x-men came before them. A mixture of 05 and ANAD is a good idea like the Ultimate comics did but adding Jubilee just makes no sense.

 

[Marvel united]

I just worry about overcrowding with adding support staff—it just seems a bit premature. But maybe Beast is exactly the character that can manage to be reintroduced in a small capacity because audiences are already so familiar with him from other films/cartoons/etc...

As for villains, I still like Karl Lykos/Sauron, & the U-Men. The mid-credits reveal is Mister Sinister, and post-credits is Magneto.

• Additional appearances by Senator Kelly, Reverend Hodge & Tanya Trask

plot breakdown

Publicly, Karl Lykos is the CEO of a major biogenetic & technologies empire which is why the US government turns to him with hefty military contracts to engage with the growing mutant ‘threat.’ Agent Valerie Cooper and her boss, Director Milbury, are the FBI’s mutant response division (MRD).

• Further mounting pressures from Senator Robert Kelly’s campaign trail and anti-mutant sentiment from televangelist talking head Reverend Hodge force the FBI’s hand and Dr. Tanya Trask jumpstarts Project: Wideawake.

Behind the scenes, Lykos is stealing mutant power for himself and his loyal followers, the U-Men (it’s insinuated that one of Lykos’ stolen powers is hypnosis—we’re not sure if the U-Men are fully there on their own accord).

• The U-Men would be similar to the Super Soldiers of CA: Civil War—played by stunt actors & performers; their faces obscured by protective suits and their powers the true focus.
• The U-Men are fodder for the X-Men to battle.

In the finale, the X-Men clash against the U-Men & the super-powered SAURON to save their new friend, Jubilee.

• In an effort to eliminate the mutant threat, the MRD launches a strike against the battling groups: THREE SENTINEL PROTOTYPES.

Mid-credits: It’s revealed that Director Milbury is actually Mister Sinister—he launched the Sentinel attack to cover his own tracks & experiments.

Post-credits: Rev. Hodge is preparing for his next TV appearance in his dressing room when he’s confronted by Magnus who kills him with his own metal cross.

This is definitely a good palate cleanser from the Fox films. It def captures that sense of fantasy & wonder from the 60s-70s X-Men comics

I’m hoping the MCU chooses a lineup thats closer to the source material. The 05 or ANAD. I would settle for the animated series cast if they established that other x-men came before them. A mixture of 05 and ANAD is a good idea like the Ultimate comics did but adding Jubilee just makes no sense.

That lineup does admittedly feel like a half measure.

What I liked about the Ultimate O5 was how balanced it was. You have a lancer (Cyclops), a telepath (Jean), an elemental (Storm), a tank (Colossus), and an acrobat (Beast). All of these powers compliment each other; The perfect hybrid of O5 & ANAD. Just add Shadowcat.

I think ultimately, I'd also prefer a more comic accurate lineup. Whether that's the O5, or ANAD, or even 90s (if they establish that the X-Men have been around for awhile). I'd prefer a less random lineup.

Feige does have the opportunity to capture some of the X-Men's greatest hits throughout the decades.

 

[BobJM]

If they’re more going comic-accurate, then definitely ANAD in my opinion.

For whatever reason, the O5 broke up some time ago and only Cyclops remains at the X-Mansion—no need for actual screentime, just opaque dialogue reference. Then Xavier & Cyclops recruit Storm, Sunfire, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird & the young recruit Kitty Pryde. (I think Colossus, Banshee, & Wolverine may be too many characters for the main team in this entry—Thunderbird takes the Colossus “muscle” spot, and Wolverine can join later after debuting in his own series/films).

• Maybe a post-credits scene introduces Jean Grey, and later Avengers films include Beast.
• Eventually, Cyclops can go off and lead the O5 (blue team), and Storm will lead the newer X-Men (gold team).

I think the villains from my pitch above could still remain the same; Sauron’s base of operations could even be Krakoa to drive home the ANAD homages.

• Like the actual ANAD comic, the MCU will be a meta-reboot for the characters / franchise for audiences.

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

Obvi a ton could be done with the roster but I think powersets having been done in the MCU, diversity and frequency of previous rosters in Fox could also play a part. I think likely -

Storm - a Black icon, unique powerset

Iceman - movie could touch on his sexuality, cryomancy and ice slides would be unique to the MCU

Gambit - popular, somehow only done once in the first Wolverine movie

As for likely but less likely I think-

Cyclops - the iconic leader, Feige might want the challenge of doing him right

Jean - iconic, just so frequently done

Rogue - having a Rogue/Gambit romance and the potential of her getting her flight/strength make her way diff than the Fox version

Nightcrawler - unique, iconic, just done recently in a meh way

Kitty or Jubilee - traditional surrogate characters, but Jubilee power-wise might tread close to Gambit and Cyclops, and Kitty treads close to Ghost, especially if Ghost comes back for Ant Man 3 or Thunderbolts

The bruisers: Colossus, even a parody version, was done recently. Beast has been done a lot and could be done visually in a more fun to watch way, and could lead to work with Avengers or Sword. But do Smart Hulk and Reed and Shuri make his presence in the greater MCU redundant

I think an interesting newcomer to the team ala Rogue in Xmen 1 could be Armor - hasn’t been done in film, unique powerset, would fill the tank role

 

[Marvel united]

I have a feeling that SWORD is gonna be a problem for our mutants in the future.

If they’re more going comic-accurate, then definitely ANAD in my opinion.

For whatever reason, the O5 broke up some time ago and only Cyclops remains at the X-Mansion—no need for actual screentime, just opaque dialogue reference. Then Xavier & Cyclops recruit Storm, Sunfire, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird & the young recruit Kitty Pryde. (I think Colossus, Banshee, & Wolverine may be too many characters for the main team in this entry—Thunderbird takes the Colossus “muscle” spot, and Wolverine can join later after debuting in his own series/films).

• Maybe a post-credits scene introduces Jean Grey, and later Avengers films include Beast.
• Eventually, Cyclops can go off and lead the O5 (blue team), and Storm will lead the newer X-Men (gold team).

I think the villains from my pitch above could still remain the same; Sauron’s base of operations could even be Krakoa to drive home the ANAD homages.

• Like the actual ANAD comic, the MCU will be a meta-reboot for the characters / franchise for audiences.

Not bad at all I'm really digging the idea of Sauron + Sinister more & more. I think thats a good palate cleanse from the Fox films

I think the O5 have to be more than just.background exposition, tho. Otherwise, you run the risk of creating a disconnect with the audience-- it's the tried and true phrase of screenwriting: "show, don't tell". If you're gonna spend 2 and half hours telling us about characters & events that happened off-screen, perhaps you should've made a movie about that instead.

I think I'd start with the O5. So we can spend a movie with them, care about them, invest in them first, so we care about their legacy in future films.

The MCU X-Men trilogy​

It would be a journey​

 

[SumT]

If they’re more going comic-accurate, then definitely ANAD in my opinion.

Then Xavier & Cyclops recruit Storm, Sunfire, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird & the young recruit Kitty Pryde.

you have my attention.

 

[Lip]

Guys, there are major WandaVision spoilers leaked online. If you don't want ruin anything be extra careful because it will show up in your timeline. =/

For those who don't care or already know:

Spoiler: WandaVision major spoilers

So Peters is indeed playing QuickSilver in the show.

The first thoughts I had whenever his possible appearance was brought up was: multiverse! And that indeed confirms two things now, the already highly speculated multiverse, and FOX verse being part o it.

But also the presence of mutants in the MCU (even if, for now, it's just from the multiverse). And I think we can say also Wanda is indeed a mutant.

So we're officially going to see a mutant in the MCU now in WandaVision. I just didn't want it to be FOX's QuickSilver.