Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Spider-Fan]

I agree. But they won't go there in the 1st movie, LOL! But eventually I bet they do.

 

[Marvel united]

I agree. But they won't go there in the 1st movie, LOL! But eventually I bet they do.

Oh, definitely not in the first, they have to establish the ground rules. But maybe in the sequel or the threequel. They could introduce Lockheed through a space mission like the comics. He could become the next Groot

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh, definitely not in the first, they have to establish the ground rules. But maybe in the sequel or the threequel. They could introduce Lockheed through a space mission like the comics. He could become the next Groot

100% agreed

 

[Lip]

Carol has history with the Brotherhood, yes. But within the MCU, the Brotherhood are not established. They lack context. So do mutants as a concept in the MCU. All that needs explained, and an X-Men movie is more than likely where we will get that context. We may see them allude to mutants in Eternals or something, but the concept proper is more than likely going to get its proper expansion and context in X-Men. Captain Marvel 2 is potentially going to be out before we get a MCU X-Men movie. It's one thing to put a mutant or two in a movie. It's another to introduce a team like the Brotherhood. While you can throw a Storm here or Wolverine there, the Brotherhood exist in opposition to the X-Men. If we don't have that fundamental understanding of how the X-Men work in the MCU, then I don't think the Brotherhood have the context either. It does them a disservice to introduce them in a franchise that has little to do with mutants, IMO. Heck, I think it'd be easier to use Rogue by herself in a Captain Marvel movie as opposed to the entire Brotherhood at this point.

We could argue about Spider-Man needing to be established in the MCU before appearing in a Civil War adaptation. I'm aware that it's a completely different context, but my point is that they can change it and adapt a few things to make it work as fast as they can, if that's what they want to. But I completely understand your point. I just think it also comes down to how Marvel will introduce mutants. Because I don't think they can escape from "mutants existing this whole time". But that's another debate.

I believe (and I hope), Marvel will fully take advantage of this established shared universe they have to introduce and explore their characters. The same way they've been doing so far. There are characters that make sense to cross path: Storm and Black Panther, Wolverine and Hulk, Beast and Avengers, Bobby and Spider-Man... and Rogue, Mystique and the Brotherhood crossing path with Carol is another encounter that makes sense. It's not like having Colossus in Ant-man, Jubilee in Doctor Strange or Emma Frost in Guardians.

So I hope and believe Marvel will use that shared universe to help introduce that world of mutant characters they're getting now. And hopefully they'll do it in a way that makes sense.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We could argue about Spider-Man needing to be established in the MCU before appearing in a Civil War adaptation. I'm aware that it's a completely different context, but my point is that they can change it and adapt a few things to make it work as fast as they can, if that's what they want to. But I completely understand your point. I just think it also comes down to how Marvel will introduce mutants. Because I don't think they can escape from "mutants existing this whole time". But that's another debate.

I believe (and I hope), Marvel will fully take advantage of this established shared universe they have to introduce and explore their characters. The same way they've been doing so far. There are characters that make sense to cross path: Storm and Black Panther, Wolverine and Hulk, Beast and Avengers, Bobby and Spider-Man... and Rogue, Mystique and the Brotherhood crossing path with Carol is another encounter that makes sense. It's not like having Colossus in Ant-man, Jubilee in Doctor Strange or Emma Frost in Guardians.

So I hope and believe Marvel will use that shared universe to help introduce that world of mutant characters they're getting now. And hopefully they'll do it in a way that makes sense.

I am not saying never use that stuff. But I think by the time Captain Marvel 2 comes out, it week just be too early in the process to do that. At least with a full Brotherhood.

 

[Marvel united]

I definitely think Rogue + Mystique should appear in Captain Marvel 2 but definitely not the full-on Brotherhood. Plus I think it's likely that Marvel will retire that group for a couple of films.

 

[Iceman]

Excited to see the Cosmic elements of the X-Men explored. It's the one major aspect of the comics that the Fox movies never touched upon. I could see the Shi'ar being introduced in the second or third film and the X-Men going to space and learning the origins of the X-Gene tying the movie back to the Eternals

I want them to meet the Shi'ar at some point to get Shi'ar tech in the mansion defences.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

If Carol/Rogue does go down in the movies, does that mean Rogue also get Carol's Binary abilities?

 

[Xeno]

If Carol/Rogue does go down in the movies, does that mean Rogue also get Carol's Binary abilities?

It means that Goose will eat Rogue and no one will be the wiser.

 

[Iceman]

If Carol/Rogue does go down in the movies, does that mean Rogue also get Carol's Binary abilities?

I wouldn't really want her to get any more powers than she traditionally has in the comics.

 

[Iceman]

These Superbowl spots made me think (dream) of a names trailer Superbowl spot for the first MCU X-Men film, after a bunch of the characters have been introduced in prior films (cameos and credit scenes) and mini-series.

 

[Marvel united]

These Superbowl spots made me think (dream) of a names trailer Superbowl spot for the first MCU X-Men film, after a bunch of the characters have been introduced in prior films (cameos and credit scenes) and mini-series.

That would be really cool. Sort of like a "Meet the X-Men" type of deal. Imagine the closing shot of the trailer being a 360 wide shot of all of the X-Men fighting a 40 foot Sentinel.

For some reason, I keep imaging this "On July 17th, the future of the Marvel Universe.... Is UNCANNY" -- Marvel Studios: ' The Uncanny X-Men' get your tickets now in RealD 3D and IMAX 3D"

Hopefully in a few years

 

[Frankeh]

That would be really cool. Sort of like a "Meet the X-Men" type of deal. Imagine the closing shot of the trailer being a 360 wide shot of all of the X-Men fighting a 40 foot Sentinel.

Yup. Fox missed that opportunity big time with DOFP.

 

[Marvel united]

Color edit + minor detail changes of the Cyclops manip on last page

And to compliment classic Cyclops-- In an attempt to see how the classic Jean Grey costume (late 60s- early 70s) could be adapted for the MCU, I made this

Spoiler

In conclusion, I think it's possible

 

[Iceman]

That would be really cool. Sort of like a "Meet the X-Men" type of deal. Imagine the closing shot of the trailer being a 360 wide shot of all of the X-Men fighting a 40 foot Sentinel.

For some reason, I keep imaging this "On July 17th, the future of the Marvel Universe.... Is UNCANNY" -- Marvel Studios: ' The Uncanny X-Men' get your tickets now in RealD 3D and IMAX 3D"

Hopefully in a few years

That all sounds great!

 

[Iceman]

Color edit + minor detail changes of the Cyclops manip on last page View attachment 20311

And to compliment classic Cyclops-- In an attempt to see how the classic Jean Grey costume (late 60s- early 70s) could be adapted for the MCU, I made this

Spoiler

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In conclusion, I think it's possible

Not a bad effort.

If we got this Cyclops with the ability to take the cowl off outside of battle, then it would be fine with me. And I wouldn’t mind seeing Jean in that as long as we got a different outfit later.

 

[Marvel united]

Not a bad effort.

If we got this Cyclops with the ability to take the cowl off outside of battle, then it would be fine with me. And I wouldn’t mind seeing Jean in that as long as we got a different outfit later.

Well, the cowl would probably keep coming off anyway. Cap's is always coming off so I don't think you'd have to worry about that. It'd just be the "complete" look i.e. Part of the aesthetic.

Here's a better version/V2 of that Jean

Spoiler

We certainly would. That's the beauty of the MCU. You don't like one costume? You'll get a new one in the sequel. The X-Men in particular I could see going through various looks throughout the franchise.

Bobby initially starts off with the smooth look but as his powers evolve, he starts growing the spikes and the spiky hair in later movies.

Scott starts off with his 70s suit but gets the '91/Jim Lee in the sequel and then a design inspired by Astonishing X-Men in X3. (Both of these designs are an evolution of the Roth design introduced in issue 39)

Storm starts off in an updated version of her Cockrum/70s look i.e

But like Scott, she gets an updated version of the '91 design in the sequel and then maybe the Bianchi look after X2 if they decide to have Ororo get married to T'Challa since she'll have to leave the X-Men for a bit to serve as queen of Wakanda.

 

[Iceman]

Well, the cowl would probably keep coming off anyway. Cap's is always coming off so I don't think you'd have to worry about that. It'd just be the "complete" look i.e. Part of the aesthetic.

Here's a better version/V2 of that Jean

Spoiler

We certainly would. That's the beauty of the MCU. You don't like one costume? You'll get a new one in the sequel. The X-Men in particular I could see going through various looks throughout the franchise.

Bobby initially starts off with the smooth look but as his powers evolve, he starts growing the spikes and the spiky hair in later movies.

Scott starts off with his 70s suit but gets the '91/Jim Lee in the sequel and then a design inspired by Astonishing X-Men in X3. (Both of these designs are an evolution of the Roth design introduced in issue 39)

Storm starts off in an updated version of her Cockrum/70s look i.e

But like Scott, she gets an updated version of the '91 design in the sequel and then maybe the Bianchi look after X2 if they decide to have Ororo get married to T'Challa since she'll have to leave the X-Men for a bit to serve as queen of Wakanda.

This gives us an excuse to get all of the classic looks over time. Sounds amazing!

 

[DawnWarrior]

I generally prefer Scott with his hair out like in the 90's, but I kinda really want to see the MCU version with the skull dome since they haven't used that yet, and because it's a more common look for him.

 

[Chiznuk]

So this question may have already been asked but how do you think they should handle Magneto's backstory when he eventually makes his MCU debut now that the character would have to be in his 80s or 90s for it to make sense? Cast an age appropriate actor? Modernize it so that he's a survivor a more recent genocide? Or maybe just leave it out completely like they did with Spider-Man's origin in Homecoming since we've already seen it done on film numerous times and the audience is already familiar with it?

Personally I think his backstory is too intrinsic to his character and his motivations to change it or leave it out so I hope they stick to it as much as possible. However, despite the fact that there are many great older actors who could do the role justice I would cast someone in their 40s-50s because they need an actor who can realistically continue to play the role for 10-15 years.

I would be very ambiguous about his backstory at first though. He'd be a very mysterious person similar to the Winter Soldier. Rumors about him abound but the only thing known for sure is the name 'Erik Lehnsherr' and that he worked for Mossad in the 70s and 80s hunting down Nazi war criminals before becoming a mercenary (I'm hoping for a more physically imposing Magneto. One who is just as dangerous in hand to hand combat as he is when he's using his powers.) When we first meet him though he looks exactly as he did in the 70s and 80s so it's clear he isn't aging. Then it can be revealed via flashback that he was indeed at Auschwitz and that when his family was murdered he was thought to have been killed with them but he survived and climbed out of the mass grave and escaped. The reason no one can track his early life is because Max Eisenhardt is presumed dead and he only later took on the name Erik Lehnsherr. Then we can get the explanation that due to his mutation he ages much slower than normal humans.

 

[Marvel united]

My stance on it is pretty simple: Update it. Magneto's motives do not change because he isn't a victim of the Holocaust. His origin was never about "The Holocaust", that's not why Claremont added that backstory, to make it about that. it was about him being a victim of humanity and seeing throigh the eyes of a child what happens when mankind is driven by blinding hatred and intolerance for those that are different. Erik believes that human beings are inherently evil and that the same thing that happened to his family and his people -- will happen to mutants. He believes that it is the homo superior's right to rule over normal human beings because they are the next link in human evolution. His motives don't change because the context of his origins are updated.

Also, imo all mutants should not have "slow aging". That makes people like Wolverine, Sabretooth, Apocalypse and Mystique's long live ability irrelevant if every other mutant has the same power.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tied him to Sokovia. Just like his twins, if they retcon that.

Post-Ultron, have a Sokovian civil war break out, and he escaped an internment camp there.

 

[Mad Ones]

My stance on Cyclops' costume: I personally prefer no cowl, but I would understand if the filmmakers gave him one. I want something like his X-Factor costume.

My stance on Magneto's backstory: Make him a second-generation Holocaust survivor and explore inter-generational trauma.

 

[Lip]

Storm starts off in an updated version of her Cockrum/70s look i.e

Don't like the shoe, but I like the costume in general. However, I have to admit I'd like to see a take on a white costume. Would it work on screen?

 

[Lip]

I will honestly be upset if they tie Magneto with Holocaust when there's so much going on in the world right now. I don't see Eric as a character meant for you to reflect on how evil and malign human being can be, but to reflect on hate and prejudice. I do hope they can upgrade him to make people feel uncomfortable now.

And also, FOX explored his holocaust survivor background in every single X-Men movie. I'm sure they'll find a way to use Dark Phoenix to bring some Eric flashbacks as well. It's been overly done by FOX. Just modernize him.