Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Jordacar]

What's the Wanda/Chthon story, for those of us out of the loop?

 

[psylockolussus]

Cartoons are pretty important for getting characters into the public consciousness. TAS and Evolution were pretty proactive in this respect, while the Disney toons are reactive to whatever is trending in the MCU and I think the quality suffers because of it.

Evo was a great X-men cartoon! It had character development, world building, soap opera drama, and a great line-up. WotX was an absolute mess that had some decent ideas and character designs.

I hope that Spider-verse creates an investment in animation again. I really love animation and don't like seeing superheroes flounder in that medium.

Unless they got an animation department that as ambitious as the film department (Marvel Stud10s), then okay but Into the Verse is a Sony production and its a film not a cartoon tv series, and we know how Sony is milking their Spider-Man rights.

as of now, you'll get the animated gotg/Spider-Man cartoon series which I don't think really get talked about by anyone here. Then the Hulu shows and What If, I don'tthink they would have a bigger response when they finally premiere online.

 

[fan4stic]

I was thinking, maybe to direct, not because she's a woman, Patty Jenkins? With Marcus and Mcfreely writing.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Question is why would she come back to marvel after the thor incident

 

[Relugus]

What's the Wanda/Chthon story, for those of us out of the loop?

Chthon is an Elder God, born when the Demiurge split himself up into various aspects. Chthon, one of the first of Demiurge's children, invented the Mystic Arts, being the first being on Earth to master magic. His sister Oshtur gave birth to Agamotto by shedding a tear, who became the first Sorcerer Supreme. Chthon wants to return to Earth.

Chthon and Agamotto are thus very bitter enemies and rivals.

Agamotto and the sorcerers perpetuated a lie that Chaos Magic (which is stronger than any of the Vishanti's or Dormammu's magics) did not exist because Agamotto wrongly believed it would somehow make Chthon weaker.

Eons later, Chthon was defeated by the Knights of Wundagore and High Evolutionary at Mount Wundagore, but as he retreated back to his dimension, infused a fraction of his soul into the newborn Wanda, which attached itself to her dark side.
Chthon views himself as a father to Wanda, he sees her potential and wants her to become a great sorceress and be his vessel on Earth. He's totally evil, but also a scholar seeking knowledge, with a perverse fascination with humanity. In Nights of Wundagore, Wanda is possessed by Chthon when Modred the Mystic uses the Darkhold on her.

Retcons by other writers following House of M portrayed Strange in a bad light, most notably Dan Slott's Mighty Avengers, where Chthon reveals that Strange was lying the whole time, on orders from the Vishanti.

 

[Lip]

I hate to be that person, but... all the controversy we're seeing regarding the treatment of female characters in Game of Thrones, to the disturbing point of them using rape as a tool to empower women, just shows what happens when you give female characters to the wrong white dudes.

And since I want the X-Women to be upfront and very well treated, especially Storm... I love the idea of a woman directing.

 

[psylockolussus]

They should hire the best director that they can find regardless if they are a man or a woman.

 

[Mad Ones]

They should hire the best director that they can find regardless if they are a man or a woman.

And what is your criteria for "best director"? Representing strong women is on top of mine and therefore I think a woman should direct (like Lip said, look at GoT).

 

[psylockolussus]

My top criteria is knowing what to do with the X-Men and if the director has a good resume. I don't care if the director is a man or a woman. I don't know why things like what Lip said, needed to be posted. I know/watch plenty of shows that are directed/created by women, but I don't go here and make a big deal about it.

 

[Mad Ones]

My top criteria is knowing what to do with the X-Men and if the director has a good resume. I don't care if the director is a man or a woman. I don't know why things like what Lip said, needed to be posted. I know/watch plenty of shows that are directed/created by women, but I don't go here and make a big deal about it.

You're acting like "knowing what to do with the X-men" is something that is clear and objective, when it's really vague and doesn't mean anything. I want to see the X-women shine. I do not trust men for that job.

 

[psylockolussus]

You're acting like "knowing what to do with the X-men" is something that is clear and objective, when it's really vague and doesn't mean anything. I want to see the X-women shine. I do not trust men for that job.

So are you saying Kevin Feige won't handle the X-Women well under his wing? Well Chris claremont handled the X-Women well and put women in the forefront.

If I suggest to hire the director of Ms. Bala to direct the X-Men, would you be okay to it right away without knowing her filmography as a director?

 

[Mad Ones]

So are you saying Kevin Feige won't handle the X-Women well under his wing? Well Chris claremont handled the X-Women well and put women in the forefront.

If I suggest to hire the director of Ms. Bala to direct the X-Men, would you be okay to it right away without knowing her filmography as a director?

The MCU has not done a great job with its female characters and the lack of women behind the camera has contributed to that. Chris Claremont wrote in another medium 40 years ago, and even there he wasn’t infallible. I would not trust an MCU production to represent the X-women well if it had few women directing, writing, and designing.

Apparently just being dudes was good enough to get the Russos hired for TWS so I dont get your point.

 

[Iceman]

Into the Spider-Verse was a game changer, a big success and won an Oscar for Best Animated Movie.

While I understand that Marvel's recent shows are underwhelming and that Into The Spider-Verse was produced by Sony also, I see the potential this movie has to open the eyes of Marvel to invest more in the animation department (including shows).

If Marvel will indeed invest more in animation, I don't know. But I can see things "suddenly changing" after the sucess of Into the Spider-Verse.

I hope they have seen the light after Spider-verse.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think the sex of the director matters much to me or really the ethnicity. But I do think being able to convey strong female characters and minority characters is vital to whoever lands this job. Whether that be man, woman, or whatever. The X-Men cannot just be about a bunch of white dudes and needs a broader perspective.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't think the sex of the director matters much to me or really the ethnicity. But I do think being able to convey strong female characters and minority characters is vital to whoever lands this job. Whether that be man, woman, or whatever. The X-Men cannot just be about a bunch of white dudes and needs a broader perspective.

I think the Duffers would do well with diversity and representation in X-Men

 

[Jordacar]

They should hire the best director that they can find regardless if they are a man or a woman.

I think they should hire a director who's qualified, available, and enthusiastic about the project, regardless if they are "the best."

Women are qualified to direct movies. If they can pluck the Russo bros. from obscurity, they can hire all the women they want. And if they're not considering women, then they're not looking for the best.

 

[Lip]

Considering what the X-Men is about, being a woman or a minority can be an advantage and one big criteria to be considered a good fit to direct the X-Men. Being able to pull from personal experiences can end up in more authentic, emotional and genuine works. And white straight dudes, as good directors as they might be, they'll never be able to pull from personal experiences about oppression (where X-Men take so much inspiration) and tell an authentic and genuine story about that. Or, at least, not as good as a minority can.

I believe a white man could have directed Black Panther and done a decent job with it. But having the same power, the same cultural impact, the same emotion that it had in Coogler's hands... nope.

That doesn't mean any women or any minority should be a good fit. Bryan Singer is gay and did a terrible job with women and POCs. But among the best choices, it should be a woman/minority. That if you want the same power and authenticity Coogler brought.

I don't believe there is one single choice in the world that can be the absolute perfect fit for the X-Men. I believe there are a series of directors talented enough to do a great job with them. And inside this group of talented directors, there has got to be some women and other minorities. And being part of an oppressed group should absolutely be considered to tell a story for the X-Men.

 

[Frankeh]

My top criteria is knowing what to do with the X-Men and if the director has a good resume. I don't care if the director is a man or a woman. I don't know why things like what Lip said, needed to be posted. I know/watch plenty of shows that are directed/created by women, but I don't go here and make a big deal about it.

You may not care whether it is a man or a woman, but it is not a crime to advocate for a female perspective especially when no woman has directed X-Men before and also because X-Men movies female characters are usually weak.

 

[Lip]

I think the Duffers would do well with diversity and representation in X-Men

I was throwing shade at them

By the way, I know we both disagree in this subject, so I don't intend to beat up a dead horse, but I can't resist and have to ask: why do you think the Duffers are a good choice to represent diversity when they literally have 1 black character among 10+ regular characters, no gay characters, a series of controversy regarding female characters, and in two seasons can't barely pass the bechdel test.

I can understand when people bring them up when it comes to dealing with ensemble. But dealing with diversity? I'm curious...

 

[psylockolussus]

I think they should hire a director who's qualified, available, and enthusiastic about the project, regardless if they are "the best."

Women are qualified to direct movies. If they can pluck the Russo bros. from obscurity, they can hire all the women they want. And if they're not considering women, then they're not looking for the best.

And no one is saying not to consider women, at least I don't. Again I've seen plenty of shows and films directed and written by women. Grey's Anatomy, Scandal, Kung Fu Panda, the Twilight movies, Jessica Jones, etc... I've also seen shows and movies directed by guys that handled women well. But I don't go around selecting a specific gender on I think who should direct the film.

The MCU has not done a great job with its female characters and the lack of women behind the camera has contributed to that. Chris Claremont wrote in another medium 40 years ago, and even there he wasn’t infallible. I would not trust an MCU production to represent the X-women well if it had few women directing, writing, and designing.

Apparently just being dudes was good enough to get the Russos hired for TWS so I dont get your point.

No one is saying women aren't qualified for the job. At least in my part and I haven't heard anything from Marvel Stud10s that they only let guys do the directing job. Patty Jenkins almost directed Thor 2 and I don't exactly remember her leaving the film because she's not a dude.

Unless you have a proof that the MCU crew only loves guys, that they purposely screwed up female characters, then I will just have to agree to disagree here.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm excited to see the X-Men's evolution throughout the MCU (pun intended) and the costume variations that will come with it



So much the X-Men can do and be in the MCU that would have never been possible under the current vision that's ending this year. I hope Marvel takes full advantage to show people that the X-Men can be more than grounded, gritty sociopolitical thrillers. I'll always be grateful for the original trilogy but I'm ready to see a no holds barred vision of the X-Men where filmmakers are not ashamed of the source material and audiences embrace it.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope they'll adapt the iconic costumes for the X-Men. The costumes for Dark PhoeniX just look so uninspired.

 

[Frankeh]

Fox costume design (and makeup & hairstyling) for X-Men is usually bad. It had to be said. With the latest movie it feels like their goal was to make the wardrobes and costumes as boring as possible.

The first Deadpool movie felt like a breathe of fresh air, but I still kinda wish they had gone with Colossus' red/yellow costume instead of the mostly black one. I'm tired of the X-Men being colorless.

 

[psylockolussus]

I wouldn't even mind the costumes if they aren't colorful and just all black or blue if only the design have variety, but the X-Men costumes in Dark PhoeniX all looked the same while the non X-Men, wear clothes that you can easily pick up in the mall. It looks like they are going for the underbudget look.

 

[Marvel united]

I was throwing shade at them

By the way, I know we both disagree in this subject, so I don't intend to beat up a dead horse, but I can't resist and have to ask: why do you think the Duffers are a good choice to represent diversity when they literally have 1 black character among 10+ regular characters, no gay characters, a series of controversy regarding female characters, and in two seasons can't barely pass the bechdel test.

I can understand when people bring them up when it comes to dealing with ensemble. But dealing with diversity? I'm curious...

I mean, I think Max, Lucas, Joyce and Nancy are all strong characters. Eleven is basically the main character of the show considering everything is built around her. I think they have potential to do right by representation in the X-Men movie.

Also, the brother in season 2 was racist against Lucas and his racism came from his terrible home life with his abusive father. I like how it was handled, they conveyed it through less conventional means. That shows me that they COULD handle the pathos and persecution angle in a fresh way too.

I feel like the Duffers could provide a much needed fresh, vibrant take on the X-Men that is very different from what we've seen before. Completely embracing the source material