Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Detective Conan]

I still support the idea of Milo Gibson under the stipulation he keeps improving as an actor, if we have to wait 5 years to see wolverine. If it was now I'd cast Alden Ehnreich because hes ripe and fits the bill. But back on Gibson... Hes young at 28, gruff looking, short at 5'9, with a build like his dad's.

Of course theres no actor who's like 5'2, the right age, the right look etc. But you get a guy who's under 6ft by a couple inches. And surround him by some taller actors and play with angles and you'll have an appropriately short wolverine for on screen.

I have some hesistation about your pick because even though he certianly looks good for the part I’m not sure he’s a good actor for the part(or even a good actor in general) if that makes sense. His filmography is pretty sparse and from little I’ve seen him there’s definitely some room for him as an actor to grow.

I don’t want another Scott Eastwood situation where he only inherits his famous actor dad’s looks and not his talent.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Pretty much why I said "under the stipulation that he keeps improving as an actor".

That's basically me saying that he has to prove himself as an actor over these next few years. But i dont take the role of wolverine as one that needs an oscar bait level actor, but obviously whoever gets the role will need to have presence and talent.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I want Keanu to play a mo-cap Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I'm gonna take the unpopular stance and say I don't ever see them finding the perfect comic-accurate Wolverine actor if for no other reason than the height and build, and that's fine with me tbh. Even Dougray Scott, the guy some insist was the better choice than Jackman, was still a solid 6 feet.

Show me one person that insists Dougrat Scott is a better choice than Jackman LOL

It was obvious when picking an actor for Wolverine, that Fox and Singer were okay with a taller actor. They probably preferred it that way.

That doesn't mean a 6' tall actor is the only viable option for the MCU, just because of Fox's choices...

 

[MbJ]

Show me one person that insists Dougrat Scott is a better choice than Jackman

I've seen people make that argument as far back as Jackman was making those movies. There's always someone that's gonna have a problem with who was cast.

That doesn't mean a 6' tall actor is the only viable option for the MCU, just because of Fox's choices...

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Fox. It's the general landscape of Hollywood. If they can find a barrel chested 5'3 guy who can act, bless 'em, but it's not a comparitively huge demographic to pull from. Kit Harington, a guy people pick on for being short for a typical leading man, is still like 5'8. When you're casting a role like this there's usually gonna be some level of compromise made, especially when you're pulling from exaggerated comic book art.

 

[Frankeh]

I'm gonna take the unpopular stance and say I don't ever see them finding the perfect comic-accurate Wolverine actor if for no other reason than the height and build, and that's fine with me tbh.

This erasure of Bob Hoskins is not sitting well with me. He would've been well cast back in the day.

 

[MbJ]

Alex Ross had his own ideas...

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I often wonder how epic Gary Sinise would’ve been as Wolverine, Angela Bassett as Storm and Julia Roberts as Jean Grey could’ve been back in the day.

Fox and Singer would’ve found a way to screw them up anyway.

 

[Frankeh]

I often wonder how epic Gary Sinise would’ve been as Wolverine, Angela Bassett as Storm and Julia Roberts as Jean Grey could’ve been back in the day.

Love Roberts but I don't see her as Jean.

I thought Kidman was an option back in the day? She was a gorgeous redhead.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I've seen people make that argument as far back as Jackman was making those movies. There's always someone that's gonna have a problem with who was cast.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Fox. It's the general landscape of Hollywood. If they can find a barrel chested 5'3 guy who can act, bless 'em, but it's not a comparitively huge demographic to pull from. Kit Harington, a guy people pick on for being short for a typical leading man, is still like 5'8. When you're casting a role like this there's usually gonna be some level of compromise made, especially when you're pulling from exaggerated comic book art.

A 6'1" tall sinewy Keanu Reeves is a big jump from a 5'3" tank of an actor.

Just because you can't find a 5'3" actor doesn't mean we should settle for a tall actor that's completely the wrong body type. Besides no one's saying they should find a 5'3" actor. For 11 years, the MCU has been able to trick us into thinking RDJ and Evans are the same height...

Also, I'm sorry if this is news to you but Keanu, Hugh and Dougray are not the only actors in Hollywood.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Love Roberts but I don't see her as Jean.

I thought Kidman was an option back in the day? She was a gorgeous redhead.

I always thought they were gunning for Julia (probably was a fancast in Wizard Mag) but Nicole could’ve been amazing too.

 

[MbJ]

I was always curious about how Bassett would've done as Storm, but I don't know how much she could've done with how underwritten the part was. Even Shipp eventually wised up and recently complained about how little dialogue the writers gave Storm in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. That's one area I really need Marvel to improve on when they eventually bring the X-Men into the MCU.

 

[Frankeh]

And Arnie as Piotr Rasputin.

EDIT: @MbJ I think Bassett's presence would've already been an improvement on Halle. Halle came off as timid and meek in that first movie.

 

[MbJ]

A 6'1" tall sinewy Keanu Reeves is a big jump from a 5'3" tank of an actor.

lso, I'm sorry if this is news to you but Keanu, Hugh and Dougray are not the only actors in Hollywood.

I literally said I wouldn't want Keanu for the role and would prefer to see him somewhere else in the MCU lol.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Angela has a presence to her, she definitely would’ve been very veracious about how Storm was treated in the movies if she was in the role. They would’ve had to given her better material, probably why she turned it down seeing that Storm only had like 5 lines in the first film.

Halle could’ve been good if she was given better direction and better material, but that FOX regime just cared about selling Wolverine and Magneto.

We all know Singer treated the women like an afterthought.

 

[Frankeh]

This should have also been an option for Jean...

She deserved to redeem herself in CBM world after that fiasco.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I literally said I wouldn't want Keanu for the role and would prefer to see him somewhere else in the MCU lol.

The implication from your post was you didn't want Keanu but you were still fine with someone else of his height/weight for Wolverine because that's the only body type in Hollywood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[MbJ]

The implication from your post was you didn't want Keanu but you were still fine with someone else of his height/weight for Wolverine because that's the only body type in Hollywood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Er, no. I said that they were probably not going to find someone of the exact height and build of comics Wolverine, which is why I was not marrying myself to that idea. That's why I made the point of saying there are relatively few actors who look like an exact straight off the page representation of an exaggerated comic book physique.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This should have also been an option for Jean...

She deserved to redeem herself in CBM world after that fiasco.

Uma would’ve been a fantastic White Queen.

 

[Frankeh]

Angela has a presence to her, she definitely would’ve been very veracious about how Storm was treated in the movies if she was in the role. They would’ve had to given her better material, probably why she turned it down seeing that Storm only had like 5 lines in the first film.

I definitely agree Angela would have pushed for better treatment. Difference was she didn't have an Oscar to whip out to demand changes like Halle did (David Hayter admitted the Oscar forced them to improve Storm's role in X2).

And the reason Angela didn't have an Oscar is also because she turned down Halle's role in Monster's Ball. Which is indicative of how small the pool of great roles for black actresses was back then, and still is to an extent, now.

Things could have turned out very differently. But I guess we should not look at the past but at the future. This is the MCU thread after all.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Er, no. I said that they were probably not going to find someone of the exact height and build of comics Wolverine, which is why I was not marrying myself to that idea. That's why I made the point of saying there are relatively few actors who look like an exact straight off the page representation of an exaggerated comic book physique.

You said guys like Reeves, Jackman and Scott are the part of the "general landscape in Hollywood." Forgetting that MCU itself boasts shorter actors like RDJ, Ruffalo, Rudd, Cheadle, Renner, Brolin, among many others.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I definitely agree Angela would have pushed for better treatment. Difference was she didn't have an Oscar to whip out to demand changes like Halle did (David Hayter admitted the Oscar forced them to improve Storm's role in X2).

And the reason Angela didn't have an Oscar is also because she turned down Halle's role in Monster's Ball. Which is indicative of how small the pool of great roles for black actresses was back then, and still is to an extent, now.

Things could have turned out very differently. But I guess we should not look at the past but at the future. This is the MCU thread after all.

I remember reading that Angela turned it down. Still makes me cringe that the first blacktress to win Best Actress had to take that part.

But at any rate, I’m glad Kiki Layne is actively pursuing the role of Ororo Munroe. After Black Panther, Disney has to come correct with someone good to play the goddess.

 

[MbJ]

Forgetting that MCU itself boasts shorter actors like RDJ, Ruffalo, Rudd, Cheadle, Renner, Brolin, among many others.

Yes, at 5'9, 5'8, 5'10, 5'8, 5'9 and 5'10. That was my point in bringing up Kit Harington and saying the 5'3 actor pool isn't a very large one (no pun intended). Even the guys who are considered shorter are still bigger than classic comic Wolverine, which is why I don't have a problem with Marvel not getting someone of his exact height.

Listen, I don't know why you're being so combative about this or why you seem bent on trying to read into things that aren't there in my posts, but I'm just gonna add you to the ignore list and call this a night before this thread goes any further off topic. So, bye, I guess?

I definitely agree Angela would have pushed for better treatment. Difference was she didn't have an Oscar to whip out to demand changes like Halle did (David Hayter admitted the Oscar forced them to improve Storm's role in X2).

And the reason Angela didn't have an Oscar is also because she turned down Halle's role in Monster's Ball. Which is indicative of how small the pool of great roles for black actresses was back then, and still is to an extent, now.

Things could have turned out very differently. But I guess we should not look at the past but at the future. This is the MCU thread after all.

Having just watched her recently in Native Son, I'm still pulling for Kiki Layne.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m also settled on Hailee Steinfeld being MCU Rogue and Sarah Paulson being MCU Mystique. Paulson wants a role in the MCU and she would absolutely nail Raven.

 

[Frankeh]

I remember reading that Angela turned it down. Still makes me cringe that the first blacktress to win Best Actress had to take that part.

I respect her decision turning it down. Halle being the first to win is undeniably important but I don't think Monster's Ball is gonna be highly regarded down the line. Hell I think even if Bassett had taken it she might have lost, Hollywood was clearly enamored with Halle, she was/is considered one of the most beautiful women ever, etc. They had already passed over Bassett for Holly Hunter in The Piano.

That said, I do like the prospect of Kiki Layne. Although I gotta admit, it's hard to find an actress with the intensity of Angela Bassett. She is one of a kind.