Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[The Overlord]

@The Overlord

I'm guessing that Marvel will want to go with a villain we've never seen before for the first movie.

But for the main antagonist, I'd go with a mutant villain(s) terrorising humanity. Because it frames and applies Rule No.1 of the X-Men in practical context and that is: Protecting those that hate and fear you. Someone like Henry P. Gyrich, Valerie Cooper etc can be secondary antagonists

IMO the mutant genocide angle was used as a crutch by Fox and it's lost the emotional punch it's supposed to have. I hope Marvel examines the mutant prejudice angle from a much less generalized, exaggerated view and instead opts for something that feels more readily contemporary and honest to how discrimination manifests itself today -- i.e Kitty/Jubilee applying for a Summer job and having her application rejected because she is a mutant. Or popular mutant social media personalities and mutant celebrities existing in the Entertainment industry i.e Jumbo Carnation (New X-Men) and still facing discrimination in those higher hierarchies of society.

And of course, we can still show racial bias can lead to a fatal outcome. For instance -- in the Midpoint, the X-Men huddled up together in the Mansion watching a news report where we see a police involved shooting has taken place: an officer has shot and killed an unarmed blue teenager because he "feared for his life".. We later see at the end of the movie, after the X-Men have saved the day, that this officer was exonerated because the Law found that he had legitimate grounds to kill this kid. And this would just reinforce the struggle but in a relevant, modern context. You could also do some very interesting things with Genosha as well, with the Asylum seekers parallel.

I'd introduce the Sentinels in the second movie as what they are meant to be- extensions of the system used to oppress and police the mutant community as Gov officials become more and more paranoid about the rising number of mutants. But the mutant extermination angle should gradually built up and saved for future films so when it finally gets to that point in human-mutant relations, it actually has impact and meaning again. And it's strengthened by longterm emotional investment from an audience that has grown with these characters.

Except here's the problem, Fox used mutant terrorists as villains several times in their movie series:

Magneto and the Brotherhood were the villains in X-Men 1 and X-Men The Last stand. Heck in X2 Magneto takes over Stryker's plan and tries to wipe out humanity. In First Class Shaw and the Hellfire Club were mutant terrorists and Magneto forms the Brotherhood. In Days of Future Past, Magneto manages to take over the role of Big Bad by the end of the film.

So Fox used that angle a lot, what would be different if they used mutant terrorists as the villains again? And if it is someone not used yet, who are they and how would they not just be a pale imitation of Magneto and the Brotherhood? What would make these mutant terrorists compelling and different from Magneto and the Brotherhood, because off-brand Brotherhood and Magneto sounds like another MCU throwaway villain (add them to the pile of lame villains like Whiplash, Justin Hammer, Aldrich Killian, Malekith, Ronan, Yellowjacket, etc).

 

[psylockolussus]

They should start with Mr. Sinister's obsesXion with the X gene. Of course the mutant-human conflict will be there, but I have a feeling Marvel Studios will try to make thefirst film different. So no Magneto and the Brotherhood or any mutants being the troublemakers to the society. While Sentinels would be reminiscent of the most successful foX-Men film and I just feel using the Sentinels/human villain as the antagonists in the first film is just so eXpected. I personally don't find a non-mutant villain very interesting when it comes to the X-Men lore and it would justbe like Stryker/Sen. Kelly hating on mutants again, because of what mutants can do.

We had someone like Mr. Sinister in the foX movies in the form of Stryker, who was an in name only villain but he wasn't a mutant. So a mutant eXperimenting on mutants would be more refreshing. Then they could introduce the Marauders along with Nathaniel EsseX.

 

[Iceman]

I'll take any excuse to get Sinister done right. I'm glad Fox never got around to using him.

 

[SumT]

Count me in with Sinister for X1.
tho I think a human antagonist would be needed. with maybe Sinister being introduced here but with a long term plan, with his obsession with Scott and Jean playing a big role during many years, not just on one movie.

 

[MilkmanDan]

If they use Sinister as a villain, I hope they establish how abusive Scott's childhood in his hands was. Cyclops can come across as an aloof and unlikable character. He's much more easy to like when you know there's a reason why he's so emotionally repressed. That, to me, was a problem in the Fox films. Cyclops didn't get a sympathetic backstory but his romantic rival Wolverine did.

 

[SumT]

100% agreed. Backstories always help. and Cyclops is one of the characters that need it the most, specially with all the damage fox did to him.

 

[psylockolussus]

I feel like they need to use Mutant Massacre as the introduction to Sinister? EsseX and Marauders would really eXcite me Xpecially that could lead to fierce mutant vs mutant action. They could also introduce Marrow, like if they want to give someone less popular a big break in the movies.

I would like to see it.

 

[Lip]

Could it be?

Captain Marvel 2, already announced.
Guardians 3, already announced.
Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel, already announced.
Blade, already announced.
Fantastic Four, probably coming before the X-Men.

 

[Marvel united]

Captain Marvel 2, already announced.
Guardians 3, already announced.
Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel, already announced.
Blade, already announced.
Fantastic Four, probably coming before the X-Men.

This is what I'm hoping for

Feb 18, 2022 -- Fantastic Four: The First Family
May 6, 2022 -- Black Panther: Enemy Of The State
July 29, 2022 -- Ant-Man 3
Oct 7, 2022 -- Blade: The Daywalker
Feb 17, 2023 -- Deadpool 3: Magnum Opus
May 5, 2023 -- Guardians of The Galaxy Vol 3
July 28, 2023 -- Captain Marvel: War of The Marvels
Nov 3, 2023 -- The Uncanny X-Men

My wishlist for 2024 and beyond:

Feb 7, 2024 -- Wolverine: Best There Is
May 5, 2024 -- Thunderbolts
July 12, 2024 -- NOVA
November 4, 2024 -- Doctor Strange 3
March 9, 2025 -- Fantastic Four: Into The Negative Zone
July 5, 2025 -- Storm: Mistress Of The Elements
October 5, 2025 -- Shang-Chi: Warriors
December 8, 2025 -- New Avengers: Kang Dynasty
February 3, 2026 -- Black Panther: Doomed Nation
May 9, 2026 -- Captain Marvel: Grounded
August 8, 2026 -- Uncanny X-Men: The Mutant Massacre
November 6, 2026 -- Marvel Studios: Secret Wars

 

[Lip]

This is what I'm hoping for

Feb 18, 2022 -- Fantastic Four: The First Family
May 6, 2022 -- Black Panther: Enemy Of The State
July 29, 2022 -- Ant-Man 3
Oct 7, 2022 -- Blade: The Daywalker
Feb 17, 2023 -- Deadpool 3: Magnum Opus
May 5, 2023 -- Guardians of The Galaxy Vol 3
July 28, 2023 -- Captain Marvel: War of The Marvels
Nov 3, 2023 -- The Uncanny X-Men

My wishlist for 2024 and beyond:

Feb 7, 2024 -- Wolverine: Best There Is
May 5, 2024 -- Thunderbolts
July 12, 2024 -- NOVA
November 4, 2024 -- Doctor Strange 3
March 9, 2025 -- Fantastic Four: Into The Negative Zone
July 5, 2025 -- Storm: Mistress Of The Elements
October 5, 2025 -- Shang-Chi: Warriors
December 8, 2025 -- New Avengers: Kang Dynasty
February 3, 2026 -- Black Panther: Doomed Nation
May 9, 2026 -- Captain Marvel: Grounded
August 8, 2026 -- Uncanny X-Men: The Mutant Massacre
November 6, 2026 -- Marvel Studios: Secret Wars

I'm not holding my hopes up.

It's not a popular opinion, but I'm not a fan of Thor getting a fourth movie. At least not so soon like that. Personally, I'm more excited about Lady Thor and Valkerye, and I'd rather see them both on an A-Force movie where other characters could've been developed as well.

While I'm happy Marvel is making four movies a year, I do wonder how they'll manage so many different franchises and their sequels.

 

[Detective Conan]

Y’all game? Or are some of you still on the Kiki Layne train?

 

[InCali]

What about Jacob Elordi (Euphoria) as Cyclops?

We'll need a more thorough hair evaluation before deciding. LOL.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

If they go with an older storm why not?

 

[Mad Ones]

Sinister would be a good tool to explain what mutants are / mutant history. We might want to jump into the action for the first movie and save the deeper cuts for a sequel?

 

[Shuri]

Y’all game? Or are some of you still on the Kiki Layne train?

I'm cool with this if they are going for an older Storm. I love Kiki, but the more I think about it, I want an unknown actress for Storm.

 

[Marvel united]

My director/writer ship (Barry Jenkins and Lulu Wang) for X-Men in the same pic. What are the odds.

 

[Detective Conan]

If Reynolds is this much of a control freak then it makes me wonder if he’ll be able to collaborate with Marvel Studios.

 

[Lip]

He'll have to learn how to collaborate.

Deadpool is a very big character, and Reynolds's version is very successful. It would be great to see him as Deadpool in the MCU. But I don't see Marvel sacrificing anything for him really. Especially when they built an empire with less popular characters.

 

[Chesterfield]

Tim Miller isn't Kevin Feige. Reynolds will either fall in line or be on the low priority list.​

 

[psylockolussus]

Tim Miller for MCU Deadpool!

 

[SumT]

hopefully they just make Deadpool 3 and Ryan moves to other things and these movies stop, so Feige can focus 100% on the mutants that really matter.

 

[Marvel united]

He'll have to learn how to collaborate.

Deadpool is a very big character, and Reynolds's version is very successful. It would be great to see him as Deadpool in the MCU. But I don't see Marvel sacrificing anything for him really. Especially when they built an empire with less popular characters.

Surely Feige will let Ryan do what he needs to do. The Deadpool movies are a success because of him. I see Feige letting him do what he wants, only getting involved when it comes to MCU connectivity

 

[Lip]

Surely Feige will let Ryan do what he needs to do. The Deadpool movies are a success because of him. I see Feige letting him do what he wants, only getting involved when it comes to MCU connectivity

I'm sure Feige will allow Reynolds to do "his magic" and give him a certain amount of creative freedom. But I don't see him allowing Reynolds to do anything that can get in the middle of Marvel's bigger plans. And honestly, not even their vision.

For instance, despite whatever Iger had said a year ago, if they decide to make Deadpool a PG13 movie, Reynolds will either have to play along, or they'll cast someone else in the future.

 

[psylockolussus]

hopefully they just make Deadpool 3 and Ryan moves to other things and these movies stop, so Feige can focus 100% on the mutants that really matter.

I prefer no Deadpool 3 at all, simply because the first two movies are clearly not under the mcu. And now that the mutants are with Marvel Studios, I just don't see what's so beneficial of having Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool in the mcu, terms of their story/continuity. They can feature Deadpool with a different actor and start his film trilogy in the late 2020s.

 

[Charzhin0]

Deadpool doesn't need to be in any strict ''universe'', he transcends everything.