Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Lip]

The level of maturity here... oh boy. Cringe.

Lip and Marvel United share their (excellent) casting choices all the time.

I've been thinking about Rogue lately. Any ideas on modernizing her?

 

[psylockolussus]

I wouldn’t mind this movie being retconned into being part of the MCU(if it’s good that is). I thought the new trailer looked decent.

If Marvel Studios thought it was good (I'm assuming theyve seen it already) and would fit like a glove in the mcu. They wouldn't wait until the film is released.

I've been thinking about Rogue lately. Any ideas on modernizing her?

Just stick to the comic book version. Its not like the FoX version really developed Rogue that the Marvel Studios' Rogue needs to be a modernized version, whatever that is.

 

[MilkmanDan]

I actually really don't think their relationship is essential. Emma's more interesting history and foundation are with characters like Kitty and Storm. The comics have actually done a great thing developing Emma from Kitty's worst nightmare to her biggest advocate. In contrast, Storm still hasn't forgiven Emma for swapping bodies. The relationship with Cyclops is what brought Emma into the X-men leadership, but the interesting stuff comes from who is ok with Emma being an X-man and who isn't, as well as Emma proving her redemption.

An Emma/Scott romance isn't essential but it would be fun to see her flirt with him a bit. The dynamic between Emma's openly sexual bad girl vibe and Scott's adorkable stuffiness can be pretty entertaining.

 

[rebellion]

So according to some of you, theres no need for most characters to look like their cb counterparts, emma and scott isnt essential, kitty and piotr isnt essential, logan as wolverine isnt essential...
Why not go for some other property to be a fan of? You cant change the past, xmen are what they are. Sure, there will be changes made to the films, to reflect the times we live in. But on the scale some of you are proposing. Thats, imo, both delusional and disrespectful.

 

[JamesHOWLETT]

I'd love if every X-Men member represented a real world minority or an underrepresented and oppressed group. Race, sexuality, gender, religion, ethnicity, culture, mental health, disability, etc...

It seems really contrived to do this though. If it makes sense to the plot of the story maybe but this thought of "needing" this type of inclusion seems disingenuous.

 

[wobbly]

While some changes can be welcome and even necessary there is a point when too many changes will push an adaptation into 'in name only' territory, which is not a good thing imo. CBM's that earn the INO added to the name from the fans are usually pretty crap.

So if Marvel were to change as much as some suggestions I've seen here for the X-Men they would be diving into 'INO' water too much for comfort for me. I wouldn't be keen on that personally.

So far though Marvel have a good record of making changes where they can do something different but it mostly still looks and feels like the characters we know from the books, and I hope they can keep that approach going for the returned properties.

 

[EnDz0n3]

New Mutants trailer looks surprisingly decent.

 

[Mad Ones]

Please don’t try to mansplain queer relationships to me.

Besides you were the one who dismissed Cap’s love for Bucky in the MCU canon simply because they weren’t making googly eyes to each other.

For the record, I put my love for my family and friends on equal footing with my love for my boyfriend. You?

You're the one talking as if being queer is just about boinking and all types of boinking are given equal respect in our media environment. But this is off topic. My opinion is that straight Cap was a detriment to Civil War and I don't like it when some here deem queer rep only acceptable when it serves the story when the straights can exist regardless (i.e. Sharon Carter no-homoing Cap while Bucking smiles and nods approvingly lol). You have a different opinion. Ok.

 

[psylockolussus]

It looked like a Tv movie.

But I'm glad its going to be out soon and just let end its misery for being delayed and hidden in the foX's vault.

The boX office numbers of it though won't be pretty.

 

[Fincher]

I don't think it looks like a TV movie, but I don't think it looks like a blockbuster, either. It looks like a horror movie.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You're the one talking as if being queer is just about boinking and all types of boinking are given equal respect in our media environment. But this is off topic. My opinion is that straight Cap was a detriment to Civil War

A gay Cap would be a detriment to established continuity where Cap is romantically linked to Peggy Carter in previous movies.

Are you proposing that Steve “became” gay between First Avenger and Civil War? I’m so glad you’re not a writer on these movie.

and I don't like it when some here deem queer rep only acceptable when it serves the story when the straights can exist regardless (i.e. Sharon Carter no-homoing Cap while Bucking smiles and nods approvingly lol). You have a different opinion. Ok.

Oh please. You were the one dismissing others’ opinion and saying that somehow brotherly love has less weight to romantic love but Ok.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think it looks like a TV movie, but I don't think it looks like a blockbuster, either. It looks like a horror movie.

The last horror movie I've seen, Doctor Sleep has a better production level than this one. And that one had a budget of $45-55 million. While the trailer for A Quiet Place 2 looks a lot better too in terms of production level.

 

[Zorro]

Just found out that apparently New Mutants is actually still happening and there's a trailer. Where does that fit in? Fox universe lives, it's separate solo thing or first MCU film?

It's going theatrical?

 

[Fincher]

The last horror movie I've seen, Doctor Sleep has a better production level than this one. And that one had a budget of $45-55 million. While the trailer for A Quiet Place 2 looks a lot better too in terms of production level.

Well, I didn't say it looked as high end as every horror film. Look at The Curse of La Llorona, I Trapped the Devil, Ma, Countdown, or Black Christmas, all from 2019.

 

[Lip]

Why not go for some other property to be a fan of? You cant change the past, xmen are what they are. Sure, there will be changes made to the films, to reflect the times we live in. But on the scale some of you are proposing. Thats, imo, both delusional and disrespectful.

Well, and, IMO, I think it's immature (at the very least) to say "just go be fan of something else" when you don't get to tell anyone what they can and cannot be fans of.

So according to some of you, theres no need for most characters to look like their cb counterparts, emma and scott isnt essential, kitty and piotr isnt essential, logan as wolverine isnt essential...

Tony's alcoholism wasn't essential in his MCU version. Ant-Man and Wasp being founding members of the Avengers wasn't essential in this MCU version. MJ is nowhere to be found. Well, she is and she's now Michelle. Peter also probably will never work for JJJ now. I'm not a big fan of the Avengers comics, but I'm quite sure the list of characters, relationships and elements left behind are quite huge.

Marvel won't have all the time in the world to develop every relationship. Especially considering how crazy things can get with the X-Men. I asked about Emma because I was thinking about Jean, and wondering how long will Marvel keep her or if they're going to kill her off or not. And if they keep her, is it essential to make Emma and Scott a couple if Emma joins the X-Men?

Kitty's relationship with Piotr has been a big part in the comics, but so her relationship with Rachel. But the later has been only in "subtext" for obvious reasons. Why not change things this time, since we're not in the 80s anymore? We're still talking about adapting a relationship that exists in the comics.

 

[Marvel united]

So how are you gonna adapt the Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Marvel Girl, Gambit, Iceman, Havok, Emma Frost, Shadowcat, the Beast, Polaris, Dazzler, Sage, Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Banshee?

You already said you don't care about them looking nothing like their comicbook counterparts which should thrill all Marvel and X-Men fans if that were to happen, and the people that created them in the comics for dismissing their comic book look that has been used for decades and in other media. So how are you gonna cast those characters eXactly? @Marvel united feel free to chime in with your casting choices!

Yup. And when it happens, it'll be relatively easy to dismantle "SJW-Men" claims from ppl who are oblivious to the irony of unironically calling the X-Men SJWS.

My casting choices? Hmm.. These are just some ideas I had

Spoiler

Ricky Whittle - Charles Xavier



Amy Manson - Moira MacTaggert


Domhnall Gleeson - Sean Cassidy


Gavin Leatherwood - Scott Summers


Forest Goodluck - Alex Summers


Haley Lu Richardson - Jean Grey



Marcel Ruiz - Bobby Drake


Ty Wood - Warren Worthington III


Avan Jogia - Hank McCoy


Kiki Layne - Ororo Munroe

While some changes can be welcome and even necessary there is a point when too many changes will push an adaptation into 'in name only' territory, which is not a good thing imo. CBM's that earn the INO added to the name from the fans are usually pretty crap.

So if Marvel were to change as much as some suggestions I've seen here for the X-Men they would be diving into 'INO' water too much for comfort for me. I wouldn't be keen on that personally.

So far though Marvel have a good record of making changes where they can do something different but it mostly still looks and feels like the characters we know from the books, and I hope they can keep that approach going for the returned properties.

I'm curious. What is it that any of us here have suggested that would push the X-Men into "In name only" territory? In name only is when the premise and characters share not even the most superficial aspects and traits with the source material besides it's "name" i.e Fant4stic.

In my opinion, Hank McCoy being brown does not make him in name only.

 

[Lip]

Yup. And when it happens, it'll be relatively easy to dismantle "SJW-Men" claims from ppl who are oblivious to the irony of unironically calling the X-Men SJWS.

My casting choices? Hmm.. These are just some ideas I had

Spoiler

Ricky Whittle - Charles Xavier
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Amy Manson - Moira MacTaggert
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Domhnall Gleeson - Sean Cassidy
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Gavin Leatherwood - Scott Summers
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Forest Goodluck - Alex Summers
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Haley Lu Richardson - Jean Grey
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Marcel Ruiz - Bobby Drake
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Ty Wood - Warren Worthington III
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Avan Jogia - Hank McCoy
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Kiki Layne - Ororo Munroe
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I'm curious. What is it that any of us here have suggested that would push the X-Men into "In name only" territory? In name only is when the premise and characters share not even the most superficial aspects and traits with the source material besides it's "name" i.e Fant4stic.

In my opinion, Hank McCoy being brown does not make him in name only.

So another hot Professor X after McAvoy?

 

[psylockolussus]

Pass.

Well, I didn't say it looked as high end as every horror film. Look at The Curse of La Llorona, I Trapped the Devil, Ma, Countdown, or Black Christmas, all from 2019.

The horror movies I've mentioned didnt exactly get blockbuster movie type of budget either, well at least Doctor Sleep as far as I know. So.

 

[Fincher]

Pass.

The horror movies I've mentioned didnt exactly get blockbuster movie type of budget either, well at least Doctor Sleep as far as I know. So.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. I didn't say that The New Mutants looks as high end as a movie can look without being a blockbuster; I just said that it looks like a theatrical horror film rather than a blockbuster.

If you're questioning its budget, it looks to have a lot more in the way of special effects than most horror films, and that's probably where its money went rather than a high level of film quality.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. I didn't say that The New Mutants looks as high end as a movie can look without being a blockbuster; I just said that it looks like a theatrical horror film rather than a blockbuster.

If you're questioning its budget, it looks to have a lot more in the way of special effects than most horror films, and that's probably where its money went rather than a high level of film quality.

Well I've mentioned two theatrical horror films as well didnt I in my first response to you?

 

[CaptainWagner]

Hearing that they supposedly cut all references to Fox-Verse in New Mutants has me really hoping that they're open to integrating it at least in part to the MCU if it's successful. These castings for Magik and Wolfsbane are perfect, and I'd hate for them to die with just one film under their belt.

 

[Fincher]

Well I've mentioned two theatrical horror films as well didnt I in my first response to you?

Yes, but I didn't say it looked like those theatrical horror films. It's like if I said Iron Man was a blockbuster, and you responded that it doesn't look like Avatar. Doctor Sleep and A Quiet Place 2 aren't the base standard for what a theatrical horror release looks like.

 

[Marvel united]

So how are you gonna cast those characters eXactly? @Marvel united feel free to chime in with your casting choices!

Part 2:

Spoiler

Peyton Elizabeth Lee - Jubilation Lee


Maya Quiney - Katherine Pryde




Milo Gibson - James "Logan" Howlett


Jordan Fisher - Remy Lebeau


Rooney Mara - Raven Darkholme



Octavia Spencer - Irene Adler


Yaya DaCosta - Cecilia Reyes

Well, and, IMO, I think it's immature (at the very least) to say "just go be fan of something else" when you don't get to tell anyone what they can and cannot be fans of.



Tony's alcoholism wasn't essential in his MCU version. Ant-Man and Wasp being founding members of the Avengers wasn't essential in this MCU version. MJ is nowhere to be found. Well, she is and she's now Michelle. Peter also probably will never work for JJJ now. I'm not a big fan of the Avengers comics, but I'm quite sure the list of characters, relationships and elements left behind are quite huge.

Marvel won't have all the time in the world to develop every relationship. Especially considering how crazy things can get with the X-Men. I asked about Emma because I was thinking about Jean, and wondering how long will Marvel keep her or if they're going to kill her off or not. And if they keep her, is it essential to make Emma and Scott a couple if Emma joins the X-Men?

Kitty's relationship with Piotr has been a big part in the comics, but so her relationship with Rachel. But the later has been only in "subtext" for obvious reasons. Why not change things this time, since we're not in the 80s anymore? We're still talking about adapting a relationship that exists in the comics.

Why, you ask? Because stories about minorities facing discrimination and persecution in a world that hates & fears them are only acceptable if the minorities themselves are abled, straight & white. How else will people emphasize with their struggle

So another hot Professor X after McAvoy?

I guess so, haha. But Whittle is a great actor and perfect for what I want for the MCU Xavier

 

[psylockolussus]

So should the theaterical film of The New Mutants should look really similar to the production values of the Curse of La Llarona? Okay then. I think you missed the part that this is based in a Marvel Comics property as well. And why should a Marvel film looks so low budgeted in 2020? Being a horror film shouldn't be used as an eXcuse as there are plenty of recent horror films with much better cinematography, production values and vfx than this one.

 

[Lip]

Hearing that they supposedly cut all references to Fox-Verse in New Mutants has me really hoping that they're open to integrating it at least in part to the MCU if it's successful. These castings for Magik and Wolfsbane are perfect, and I'd hate for them to die with just one film under their belt.

I'll be honest, I wasn't very impressed with the trailer. After 2 years, I was expecting more from it.

The movie could end up being great tho, but I don't see Marvel integrating them in the MCU. Wanting or not, despite whatever quality in the story the movie might have, it doesn't look very polished. And while some might think this is superficial, I don't think it's part of the brand Marvel has built. The introduction of mutants might not be a simple thing to do, and I think Marvel will do it in their own terms. And last but not least, despite how good Taylor Joy and Williams look, the cast is very, very whitewashed to my taste. Not to mention that they're basically old mutants now .

Whenever Marvel introduces their version of New Mutants, I hope they get a very diverse and young cast. Like, actual teenagers.