Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

General audiences know the gist of mutants and the X-men so all of that establishment stuff could be done quickly. Establishing that "mutants are the next stage in evolution but the world fears what it doesn't understand" doesn't take very long. X-men on the big screen has been stale with a few exceptions for almost a decade. The X-men need a moment like this:

Whenever X-men comics become stale, they reinvent themselves by making the X-men look and feel a little different and strange. What better way to do that in the MCU than by taking them out of a familiar setting and throwing them into something we've never seen before like the Savage Land?

I hear you and I def understand the need to redefine audience expectations. I'm trying to think of ways this could work in a narrative that feels streamlined. There is going to be a lot of ground to cover in that first film, simply because the movie will need to establish and set the X-Men dynamic.. in the MCU.

You could absolutely do this in the sequel once the ground rules have been established but doing it in the first film with no established rules might be more of a challenge. But it's not impossible

 

[Charzhin0]

Oh that makes sense for a totally new X-Men that is set very far apart from the Fox X-Men. I want Xavier's dream to still be important and for there still to be a mansion base, but they don't need to spend that much of the films there. I want to see more time on field missions in exotic new locations (with Xavier back at the mansion), and the X-Men getting to know each other during these journeys/missions. Savage land is probably my favourite possible location and I can't wait to get to that.

I'm for the exotic locations but the X-mansion is important to ground the audience in some sense of real world familiarity. I really enjoyed the (limited) scenes we got in the Avengers movies of them just hanging out at Avengers tower HQ like real people. With the X-mansion I feel its even more important as its a microcosm of how diverse individuals can co-exist in harmony in contrast to the harsh divided world outside the manion perimeters. Also proper danger room sequences and stuff.

 

[Iceman]

I'm for the exotic locations but the X-mansion is important to ground the audience in some sense of real world familiarity. I really enjoyed the (limited) scenes we got in the Avengers movies of them just hanging out at Avengers tower HQ like real people. With the X-mansion I feel its even more important as its a microcosm of how diverse individuals can co-exist in harmony in contrast to the harsh divided world outside the manion perimeters. Also proper danger room sequences and stuff.

Agreed. It's important for the reasons you state and the X-Men will always need a base of operations where they can hide away things like the X-Jet and train in a Danger Room, while providing a safe place for young mutants. This all works better when the place has a real world reason for existing like being an institute/school of some kind that can hide what goes on underneath. Also I love the comic issues where the X-Men are just chilling out there or playing in a local park. For the new films though, we don't need to spend as much time there as all this is well established at this point.

 

[VictusMortuus]

I’d like the first film to have sinister as the main villain experimenting on mutants in the Savage Land and have the second half of the movie set there and the first half establishing the new X-Men at the mansion.

 

[Marvel united]

I’d like the first film to have sinister as the main villain experimenting on mutants in the Savage Land and have the second half of the movie set there and the first half establishing the new X-Men at the mansion.

And there it is. This is how you can do it. Spend act 1 and half of act 2 setting up the X-Men, their headquarters and how they operate. And have the X-Men go to the Savage Land to stop Sinister + Sauron

 

[TheVileOne]

That's a good plot for a sequel rather than a first movie IMO.

 

[Iceman]

I’d like the first film to have sinister as the main villain experimenting on mutants in the Savage Land and have the second half of the movie set there and the first half establishing the new X-Men at the mansion.

That’s cool, although I want more than half a film fully set in the Savage Land when we finally get it.

 

[VictusMortuus]

I think using Sinister for the first film and making him a human who mutated himself would be ideal, in the sequel you could have the mutants rescued by the x-men join Magnetos Brotherhood angry at humans because of what he did. It’d be interesting to have the rescued mutants end up on opposite sides to the X-men. Also hopefully Marvel will end making a Ka-Zar show or movie to fully explore the Savage Land after its intro in X-men.

 

[Dark Raven]

What if the way all these mutants appear in the MCU is a reverse of House of M in which Wanda says "more mutants" instead of "no more mutants"?

 

[Mad Ones]

What if the way all these mutants appear in the MCU is a reverse of House of M in which Wanda says "more mutants" instead of "no more mutants"?

That's a change that effects the X-men to their core. Mutants wouldn't be positioned as the next possible stage of human evolution and therefore baseline humans wouldn't feel the fear of being replaced. Instead, mutants would feel more like Inhumans or meta-humans. I'm open to changing a lot about the X-men, but that's an element I wouldn't change.

 

[Dark Raven]

That's a change that effects the X-men to their core. Mutants wouldn't be positioned as the next possible stage of human evolution and therefore baseline humans wouldn't feel the fear of being replaced. Instead, mutants would feel more like Inhumans or meta-humans. I'm open to changing a lot about the X-men, but that's an element I wouldn't change.

Not necessarily. There could be some mutants, but not rampant everywhere. If she says "more mutants", suddenly they could become widespread. So there would've been no fear before, because they would've been a rarity, but now they're all over the place, while still representing the next stage.

 

[Herofan]

Would you guys be interested in having Sir Patrick Stewart reprise the role of Professor X for the MCU? I wouldn’t as I thought he had the perfect send off with Logan and I want an actor who I think will be playing the role for another decade. Stewart is 79. He’s too old at this point

A great pick but yes now too old and also just already appeared too often (including in films from too long ago).

Plus, I’m eager for a brand new interpretation of Professor X beyond the sagacious, caring, British mentor. I want an Xavier who’s a bit strict and controlling, and is a flawed mentor who’s willing to make morally dubious choices from time to time in service of what he perceives is for the greater good.

It's definitely a tough line to walk. I think McAvoy Xavier was already way too flawed and unlikeable if not even inept, Xavier making dubious choices at least works better as being a rare, yet consistent-enough, surprise.
I think it would be best for Xavier to still be caring and sagacious, enough to be both inspiring and pretty uniting, the more strict elements and conflicts could come later when the team members, if they start young, are experienced enough that conflict doesn't seem like just whininess or youth rebelliousness.

Edit: One thing that feels like a cliche is for a team to go on a mission against the orders of the leader/mentor and then he becomes impressed and proud, admits he was wrong to try to restrain the team, it would be at least a lot less cliched and probably more interesting if something like that happens and the mission doesn't work out, backfires, the team has to admit their mentor is wiser and deserves to make decisions about what they should do.

 

[psylockolussus]

I thought McAvoy was overrated and overstayed as Xavier. He didnt really resonate to the mainstream compare to the version of Sir Patrick Stewart.

What if the way all these mutants appear in the MCU is a reverse of House of M in which Wanda says "more mutants" instead of "no more mutants"?

Idk about that. But I slighty change it to "Gimme More Mutants".

On a serious note, I hope the Scarlet Witch don't have anything to do with the Mutants. She has the spotlight for so long and she'll probably at least have one more Avenger movie left. Polaris, Psylocke, Rogue... I'd give them the eXposure instead of Wanda.

 

[Charzhin0]

I don't think Scarlet Witch has had much spotlight at all, she's been a secondary player more or less in the movies. And considering she technically is a mutant, the only one in the MCU right now, I don't think you can ignore her relevance to when the X-gene explodes into existence.

 

[Iceman]

I think using Sinister for the first film and making him a human who mutated himself would be ideal, in the sequel you could have the mutants rescued by the x-men join Magnetos Brotherhood angry at humans because of what he did. It’d be interesting to have the rescued mutants end up on opposite sides to the X-men. Also hopefully Marvel will end making a Ka-Zar show or movie to fully explore the Savage Land after its intro in X-men.

Savage Land show sounds great. They need to do a good job with Ka-Zar if they want to to do this.

 

[Dark Raven]

Savage Land show sounds great. They need to do a good job with Ka-Zar if they want to to do this.

Let's not forget Shanna. They need her. And Zabu.

 

[InCali]

Savage Land show sounds great. They need to do a good job with Ka-Zar if they want to to do this.

Man, I'd forgotten all about him. I used to have that X-Men comic that introduced him. I need to check and see if I still have it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Meh New York is New York and we've seen the X-men in a beautiful mansion in like 12 movies.

Maybe MCU Xavier could live in a chateau with a vineyard.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I do think it should just be something that simply occurs in nature. I feel it shines a brighter light on the unwarranted hate from humanity (which isn't to say hatred is warranted at all). Aliens are from somewhere else and the earth-based heroes/villains can be viewed as outliers or freak occurrences. Cap/Hulk/Wanda/T'Challa/etc. got their powers from experiments and accidents and herbs. There's an attainability to it that makes it less frightening imo. "I could be BP if I ate that plant."

So I don't think those things decentralize humanity's place on Earth in the way mutants do, who basically show humans that they aren't the final chapter in this planet's story. Because now there are these people who displace us at the top of the food chain due to abilities our basic biologies prevent us from ever achieving.

 

[rebellion]

Maybe MCU Xavier could live in a chateau with a vineyard.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think Scarlet Witch has had much spotlight at all, she's been a secondary player more or less in the movies. And considering she technically is a mutant, the only one in the MCU right now, I don't think you can ignore her relevance to when the X-gene explodes into existence.

Infinity War
Endgame
Civil War
WandaVision
Age of Ultron

Plenty of comic book characters have yet to appear in a movie or get a decent role.

 

[Mad Ones]

I think we can all agree that this is how the X-men should be introduced in the MCU:

Spoiler

Art by Gabriel H. Walta posted on twitter.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't agree with that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't find that too dissimilar to how they intro'd them in the first Singer film in a way.

 

[Catoti]

I think we can all agree that this is how the X-men should be introduced in the MCU:

Spoiler

Art by Gabriel H. Walta posted on twitter.

I don't particularly agree with the X-Men being introduced this way in movie form. It'd feel a bit too cheesy for me personally.
But I do love the art.