Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

I don't think Destiny would be leader of the Brotherhood, however she'd be an important member.

I kind of hope they'll stay away from Mystique for a while, or at the very least push her into the background.

Honestly, this is how I feel about Erik. Fox played their hand with him, and the X-Men could definitely use a breather.

Mystique I agree. Raven should have a presence but they should keep her appearance under wraps, which leaves Irene. It's unconventional but that's what makes it interesting imo. There's a lot you can do with her backstory as a lesbian and a woman (with a disability), who has been fighting this fight longer than most of the X-Men have probably been alive.

I always have trouble when it comes to casting Rogue. Some actors/actresses, you can just look at them and almost envision how their portrayal of a particular character will be, I've yet to see an actress that makes me think "that's Rogue without a doubt". At the minute, I kind of have Tuppence Middleton cast as Rogue, not as outgoing as portrayed in the animated series, but not as timid as Paquin's version in the Fox movies, but it's still not "that is absolutely who I would have to play the character".

It depends on the qualities you're looking to embody. I'd go for a Spielbergian vibe, and cast a child actress (13-16 yo) as Rogue. Leaning into her innocence as a kid who is simply led down the wrong path.

Xavier's would be a chance for her to recover from her trauma, and use those pent up emotions to help people, instead of hurt.

I'd go older but have a few younger members. Some themes are played better by older actors whereas younger actors tend to be a little melodramatic in execution.

Well, ofc all mutants aren't kids but coming of age is one of X-Men's defining themes. Tied to the expression of the gene itself.

I would also go for the Lance Alvers version of Avalanche, and maybe also Evolution's Blob and Toad too. However the movie might get accused of "fat shaming" with Blob's character.

I think a sincere portrayal of Dukes can work.

Most mutant powers have a tradeoff. Frederick Dukes is amazingly strong and invulnerable, but at the cost him being tremendously overweight (the movie can treat his insecurities with gravitas, and even redeem him by the end. Rogue doesn't have to be the only defector).

- Toad is in a similar situation. He can jump 2 stories, scale walls, has a prehensile tongue? but they come at the cost of him looking like a freak.

- Jean Grey can move things with her mind, and read OTHER people's minds... But at the cost of total sensory overload; a war with her own mind.

- Ororo can control the weather, and atmosphere, and do all sorts of amazing things... But at the cost of a full range of emotions, since they are tied to her powers.

- Cyclops... Self explanatory.

These mutations are extraordinary, some even godlike, but they were not made to hold in a fragile human society, and are thus subject to social rejection. Mutants are nature's design but mankind is in constant conflict with nature

That's why I love the inherent dichotomy between the X-Men and the Sentinels. Because it's Nature vs Man. Technology vs Biology. Humans vs the natural order of life.

 

[ALittlePush]

Mystique I agree. Raven should have a presence but they should keep her appearance under wraps, which leaves Irene. It's unconventional but that's what makes it interesting imo. There's a lot you can do with her backstory as a lesbian and a woman (with a disability), who has been fighting this fight longer than most of the X-Men have probably been alive.

I'm not sure how well Destiny can fight but it's the blindness that makes me think she wouldn't be suitable as a leader because there will be others trying to overthrow her and assume her position. I think the brotherhood would be very self-serving in contrast to the X-Men's loyalty to one another so Destiny would have to be watching her back constantly.

Saying that, it could be the case that whilst Destiny doesn't have the official position of leader, she holds a lot of influence over the actual leader, effectively making her leader in all but name.

It depends on the qualities you're looking to embody. I'd go for a Spielbergian vibe, and cast a child actress (13-16 yo) as Rogue. Leaning into her innocence as a kid who is simply led down the wrong path.

Xavier's would be a chance for her to recover from her trauma, and use those pent up emotions to help people, instead of hurt.

I'd go for an adult Rogue. If the snap is the thing that causes the sudden widespread existence of mutants, then I like the idea that Rogue was living a normal life before the manifestation of her powers forced her to withdraw socially for other people's safety. The brotherhood can lure her in since maybe some of them also find their powers are less than ideal and there's a sense of kinship there because they're all in the same boat.

Well, ofc all mutants aren't kids but coming of age is one of X-Men's defining themes. Tied to the expression of the gene itself.

Whilst they could cover coming of age with Kitty Pryde or Jubilee, I also think it would be interesting to do a "what would you do if, as an adult, you discovered you had superpowers". How many would use their powers for good, how many would use their powers for personal gain, and how many would just use their powers for mundane things that makes their life easier?

I think a sincere portrayal of Dukes can work.

Most mutant powers have a tradeoff. Frederick Dukes is amazingly strong and invulnerable, but at the cost him being tremendously overweight (the movie can treat his insecurities with gravitas, and even redeem him by the end. Rogue doesn't have to be the only defector).

- Toad is in a similar situation. He can jump 2 stories, scale walls, has a prehensile tongue? but they come at the cost of him looking like a freak.

It would be an interesting twist if Blob and Toad weren't treated as villains but kind of in the same boat as Rogue where the sudden emergence of their powers has left them socially isolated which also makes them more easily manipulated. The brotherhood makes them feel like they have somewhere they belong even though it's obvious they're being used.

That's why I love the inherent dichotomy between the X-Men and the Sentinels. Because it's Nature vs Man. Technology vs Biology. Humans vs the natural order of life.

Perhaps the sentinels could be made using Stark technology. We saw in Iron Man 2 that various people were trying to create their own Iron Man machine to use in wars, and Tony didn't want his technology falling into the wrong hands. Perhaps someone succeeded and just scaled them up in size. Tony did say that most countries were 5-10 years away with Hammer Industries being 20. Perhaps Justin Hammer is involved in the Sentinel program alongside Boliver Trask.

 

[Marvel united]

@Silvermoth I would love that lineup.

Btw what would everyone's ideal starting lineup be?

I'm not sure how well Destiny can fight but it's the blindness that makes me think she wouldn't be suitable as a leader because there will be others trying to overthrow her and assume her position. I think the brotherhood would be very self-serving in contrast to the X-Men's loyalty to one another so Destiny would have to be watching her back constantly.

Saying that, it could be the case that whilst Destiny doesn't have the official position of leader, she holds a lot of influence over the actual leader, effectively making her leader in all but name.



I'd go for an adult Rogue. If the snap is the thing that causes the sudden widespread existence of mutants, then I like the idea that Rogue was living a normal life before the manifestation of her powers forced her to withdraw socially for other people's safety. The brotherhood can lure her in since maybe some of them also find their powers are less than ideal and there's a sense of kinship there because they're all in the same boat.




Whilst they could cover coming of age with Kitty Pryde or Jubilee, I also think it would be interesting to do a "what would you do if, as an adult, you discovered you had superpowers". How many would use their powers for good, how many would use their powers for personal gain, and how many would just use their powers for mundane things that makes their life easier?




It would be an interesting twist if Blob and Toad weren't treated as villains but kind of in the same boat as Rogue where the sudden emergence of their powers has left them socially isolated which also makes them more easily manipulated. The brotherhood makes them feel like they have somewhere they belong even though it's obvious they're being used.



Perhaps the sentinels could be made using Stark technology. We saw in Iron Man 2 that various people were trying to create their own Iron Man machine to use in wars, and Tony didn't want his technology falling into the wrong hands. Perhaps someone succeeded and just scaled them up in size. Tony did say that most countries were 5-10 years away with Hammer Industries being 20. Perhaps Justin Hammer is involved in the Sentinel program alongside Boliver Trask.

Destiny can be the Brotherhood's answer to Xavier. I think her power set would lend itself to some very dynamic action set pieces. The X-Men would have to take her out first because she can basically predict their every move, which makes the Brotherhood especially formidable

I think that Irene would carry herself with a certain level of prestige and because of her experience, she would earn their respect.

I definitely think thats the route they will go for the Sentinels, and it's such a great way to tie them to the wider MCU. It's powerful imagery to have the Sentinels be like a twisted version of Iron Man

 

[ALittlePush]

Btw what would everyone's ideal starting lineup be?

I'd show the X-Men in their separate lives before they became the X-Men, however the initial team would probably be Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Jubilee and maybe Shadowcat with Xavier as the one who brought them together. The MCU could kill off Xavier early on and they take their name X-Men as tribute to him.

Rogue would be in the brotherhood before joining the team.
Gambit would be a friend of Storm's but is a law unto himself. He'd help out if Storm asked him to but he's not an active member of the team. He could even be cast into an antagonistic role at times (which was and interesting direction that Evolution and Wolverine and The X-Men took his character in).
Wolverine would operate by himself so there would need to be a really good reason for him to agree to join the team.

Destiny can be the Brotherhood's answer to Xavier. I think her power set would lend itself to some very dynamic action set pieces. The X-Men would have to take her out first because she can basically predict their every move, which makes the Brotherhood especially formidable

I think that Irene would carry herself with a certain level of prestige and because of her experience, she would earn their respect.

That's the sort of role Destiny would have, she's in charge but she's not the leader. Kind of like how Xavier is in charge of the X-Men but he's not the leader, Cyclops is.

I definitely think thats the route they will go for the Sentinels, and it's such a great way to tie them to the wider MCU. It's powerful imagery to have the Sentinels be like a twisted version of Iron Man

It could also be what causes the Avengers to align with the X-Men against the Sentinels because the Sentinels are essentially poisoning Tony's legacy. Whereas Tony used his Iron Man role to protect everyone, the Sentinels are now trying to kill innocent people just for being mutants. Also if Tony's name is then tied to the Sentinels as a "leading pioneer into AI technology" then his name is also being tarnished.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah definitely have to have sentinels. It’s a license to print money and it’s also a great way to show like, “we’ve hit rock bottom, what are we going to do about it?”

like, from the moment you add sentinels mutants can’t just hide anymore so are they going to go with Xavier or magneto or try something else? It’s the moment that changes everything

 

[Marvel united]

Keep your eyes on WandaVision. I've been hearing some things

 

[ALittlePush]

Keep your eyes on WandaVision. I've been hearing some things

Are you talking about the possible Weapon X stuff?

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

So with all of this talk about race swapping characters, this actor Regé-Jean Page intrigued me watching him on Netflix’s, Bridgerton. Some of his scenes put me in the mind of Scott/Cyclops, no nonsense, stern, direct, with a soft spot for the woman he loves. Ironically his relationship with Daphne in the series reminded me of Scott and Jean (not to mention the actress gave me Jean Grey vibes with her red hair and blue eyes). He’s very tall, has that slim build Cyke needs so I highly recommend you guys look at his performance on Bridgerton.

 

[universeman]

Keep your eyes on WandaVision. I've been hearing some things

Thanks, and as for some things I hope it's (just in case it comes true I'm putting this under spoiler tags.)

Spoiler

Wanda is a Mutant/Magneto''s Daughter.

 

[Lip]

Btw what would everyone's ideal starting lineup be?

Storm, Cyclops and Jean are a must. And I'd love to see Rogue and Kitty. But there are so many factors in this. And I do think Feige will throw at least one "unexpected" character in the movie.

Also, the idea of having the O5 being rescued by a new team like Giant Size in the first movie grew a little on me for some reason.

Keep your eyes on WandaVision. I've been hearing some things

What did you hear?

 

[Silvermoth]

Do you reckon they’ll try to turn Lockheed into the new baby yoda/groot?

 

[SumT]

Are you talking about the possible Weapon X stuff?

spoilers please.

even if you guys find just some rumors, please use the spoilers tag. because your comment is the first time i hear about that

 

[Marvel united]

Are you talking about the possible Weapon X stuff?

Spoiler

No, no, that's been rumored for Falcon & The Winter Soldier along with Omega Red. Interestingly enough, the same leak stated Batroc the leaper would return which has since been confirmed. And something spoilery related to Zemo that has also since been semi-confirmed by some set pictures.

Very interesting. I think the Madripoor scenes are gonna have some goodies for us X-Fans

Storm, Cyclops and Jean are a must. And I'd love to see Rogue and Kitty. But there are so many factors in this. And I do think Feige will throw at least one "unexpected" character in the movie.

Also, the idea of having the O5 being rescued by a new team like Giant Size in the first movie grew a little on me for some reason.

This is definitely the issue for me. There are a lot variables. I'd love to see Colossus in the first film but we don't know if he's tied up with the Deadpool franchise. If he is then Thunderbird wouldn't be a bad substitute

Forge could be in there too. I think the Cyclops, Storm and Jean are the safest locks for the first film. Everything else around them is a question mark

Kitty would be a good choice

What did you hear?

Spoiler

Well, a couple of scoopers are hinting that Wanda will in fact be revealed as a mutant, and the mind stone unlocked her (and Pietro's) abilities. I've also seen some people say Evan Peters is back as QS.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I'm not sure how well Destiny can fight but it's the blindness that makes me think she wouldn't be suitable as a leader because there will be others trying to overthrow her and assume her position. I think the brotherhood would be very self-serving in contrast to the X-Men's loyalty to one another so Destiny would have to be watching her back constantly.

She's a cunning precog with a shapeshifting enforcer/number two. Trying to overthrow or backstab her wouldn't be that easy.

 

[Zarex]

Ms. Adler is pretty frikkin' scary in House of X. In that book

Spoiler

Moira had Charles and Erik agree to a pre-cog ban on Krakoa specifically based on her fear of Destiny

 

[SumT]

I think Iceman will be on first movie for sure.
its been 7 years since the last time Fox used him, and he fits Marvel's style perfectly so Im sure Feige will push him in all his potential, visually (his personality too, of course), but his powers under MCU will be impressive. Just wait and see

 

[Kev4000]

I think Iceman will be on first movie for sure.
its been 7 years since the last time Fox used him, and he fits Marvel's style perfectly so Im sure Feige will push him in all his potential, visually (his personality too, of course), but his powers under MCU will be impressive. Just wait and see

Marvel would do that to a coming-out movie, I guess?
I woudnt mind that as long it avoids the obvious tropes.

 

[Lip]

As exausted as I am with the "coming out" storyline, or "gay storylines" for gay characters, I'd like to see Bobby coming out on a big screen. Maybe in a second movie or at the end of the first one?

Considering what the X-Men stand for, and how big the audience will (probably) be, and how conservative so many cbm fans can be... that storyline told in a superhero movie can be fresh and meaningful. Hopefully.

And I'd like to see Jean involved too. At least I wouldn't mind. Certainly not like that. But the idea of Bobby trusting and telling her first before anybody else sounds nice and sweet. An Ian and Fiona type of thing with a "I know" (and not because of telepathy, but because of their connection and relationship).

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah. I feel like the reason why so many gay fans relate to Jean is because she seems like the sort of person who would be on your side when you need to come out. Powerful but compassionate too

 

[BobJM]

@Marvel united

For me, the starting lineup would be

Cyclops
Storm
Marvel Girl
Angel
Iceman
with Forge in a supporting role (as in Wolverine and the X-Men)

with Jubilee as the new recruit / POV.

Big recruits for the main franchise sequel(s) would be

- Wolverine
- Rogue
- Psylocke
- Gambit
- Bishop

Beast is featured as a scientist at Muir Island, and guest player across X-franchises & Avengers films/teams such as Illuminati (think Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk).

Of course, I’d still like to see Dazzler & Longshot—but they can be separate from the mains film, like the Guardians characters. And even Shadowcat, Colossus, & Nightcrawler could exist in their own little Excalibur corner (crossing over with Psylocke and her brother, Captain Britain).

 

[Marvel united]

@Marvel united

For me, the starting lineup would be

Cyclops
Storm
Marvel Girl
Angel
Iceman
with Forge in a supporting role (as in Wolverine and the X-Men)

with Jubilee as the new recruit / POV.

Big recruits for the main franchise sequel(s) would be

- Wolverine
- Rogue
- Psylocke
- Gambit
- Bishop

Beast is featured as a scientist at Muir Island, and guest player across X-franchises & Avengers films/teams such as Illuminati (think Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk).

Of course, I’d still like to see Dazzler & Longshot—but they can be separate from the mains film, like the Guardians characters. And even Shadowcat, Colossus, & Nightcrawler could exist in their own little Excalibur corner (crossing over with Psylocke and her brother, Captain Britain).

Very strong starting lineup I especially love the inclusion of Angel (Who heavily underutilized by Fox) and Forge's positioning in a role similar to W&TXM. Only thing, i'd swap Jubilee for Kitty, because although I love Jubilation, I'd ultimately prefer Kitty in this role.

I don't know, this just feels right. This feels like MCU X-MEN.

 

[BobJM]

Very strong starting lineup I especially love the inclusion of Angel (Who heavily underutilized by Fox) and Forge's positioning in a role similar to W&TXM. Only thing, i'd swap Jubilee for Kitty, because although I love Jubilation, I'd ultimately prefer Kitty in this role.

I don't know, this just feels right. This feels like MCU X-MEN.

Angel’s fall from grace would be a great multi-film arc for the character—Going from rich club kid in the tabloids to exposed/outed mutant, and finally descending into Sinister’s grasp before his reawakening as Archangel.

 

[metaphysician]

If they use Iceman as a character at all, they pretty much *have* to include his sexual orientation. . . if only because "Bobby Drake is straight gay" is pretty much the sum total of characterization he's gotten over the decades.

 

[BobJM]

As exausted as I am with the "coming out" storyline, or "gay storylines" for gay characters, I'd like to see Bobby coming out on a big screen. Maybe in a second movie or at the end of the first one?

Considering what the X-Men stand for, and how big the audience will (probably) be, and how conservative so many cbm fans can be... that storyline told in a superhero movie can be fresh and meaningful. Hopefully.

And I'd like to see Jean involved too. At least I wouldn't mind. Certainly not like that. But the idea of Bobby trusting and telling her first before anybody else sounds nice and sweet. An Ian and Fiona type of thing with a "I know" (and not because of telepathy, but because of their connection and relationship).

Yes please to all the above.

 

[Marvel united]

Angel’s fall from grace would be a great multi-film arc for the character—Going from rich club kid in the tabloids to exposed/outed mutant, and finally descending into Sinister’s grasp before his reawakening as Archangel.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It has the potential to be one of most emotional character journeys we've ever seen. Warren could start from the ultimate place of privilege, and then slowly lose everything.

Warren could start out ashamed by his family, ashamed of his wings, ashamed of his identity. But over the film, learn to love himself, his wings, and claim his identity with pride... Which makes it all the more tragic when he loses it:


Bringing him full circle. Which is where Sinister comes into play

Regarding Forge, I'd def like to see something closer to W&TXM in terms of characterization as well. I loved how Forge was a lovable geek. It would be a nice contrast to Ororo's outgoing personality

Forge is also good for disability rep. Now obviously, he can't be a Vietnam war veteran, so some reimagining is apt. Maybe he was born with his disability instead.