Dark of the Moon Michael Bay has killed Transformers for me - Part 1

[Optimus_Prime_]

The problem is that said movie is another hollywood film with humans at the forefront and center. Not all that diff from Bayformers except for the fact it doesn't have a rabid fan base eager to pounce for not getting rid of the humans.

The only reason said movie does seem slightly more about the animated aliens than the robots in bayformers is because it doesn't take place on earth. But let's be honest, an avatar movie without a human presence or human centric story...not happening.

Yeah, Avatar's main character, human, as was most of it's supporting cast. The only alien in that movie with any character was the female, the rest of the tribe were virtually red shirt characters. Sure you had a few that had multiple lines, but the humans drove the story.

Transformers is at a disadvantage moving to live-action because they're thirty foot robots and the logistics of filming a movie almost exclusively from their perspective is tricky to say the least. I wouldn't mind seeing a Wall-E level animated production with more robots, less humans. I think it's hard to do a live-action film that doesn't focus on human characters, or profoundly human stories.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

apparently not

This may come off a tad elitist, but I do think there is such a thing as [somewhat] objective quality. Comic books and cartoons are traditionally aimed at children, and the ones that are not like Family Guy or The Simpsons tackle subject matter that's much more real and approachable than Transformers. I think a lot of time when fans complain about how bad an adaption is they're really just illustrating how poor their franchise was to begin with. For example, Batman has tons of fanboys who complain about how he always wears armor on film now, when the alternative, spandex, looks completely ridiculous.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, Avatar's main character, human, as was most of it's supporting cast. The only alien in that movie with any character was the female, the rest of the tribe were virtually red shirt characters. Sure you had a few that had multiple lines, but the humans drove the story.

Transformers is at a disadvantage moving to live-action because they're thirty foot robots and the logistics of filming a movie almost exclusively from their perspective is tricky to say the least. I wouldn't mind seeing a Wall-E level animated production with more robots, less humans. I think it's hard to do a live-action film that doesn't focus on human characters, or profoundly human stories.

I agree that logistically it's an issue but I would argue that the bigger hinderence is the premise itself. It has never been done in concept and probably won't for a long time.

Not even cameron himself, who came pretty close to it, wouldn't make a film about aliens and not humans.

This may come off a tad elitist, but I do think there is such a thing as [somewhat] objective quality. Comic books and cartoons are traditionally aimed at children, and the ones that are not like Family Guy or The Simpsons tackle subject matter that's much more real and approachible than Transformers. I think a lot of time when fans complain about how bad an adaption is they're really just illustrating how poor their franchise was to begin with. For example, Batman has tons of fanboys who complain about how he always wears armor on film now, when the alternative, spandex, looks completely ridiculous.

This is true sadly,I would add that something a lot of TF fans don't realize is that a good amount of the criticism for a TF movie probably isn't exclusive to bayformers.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

For example, Batman has tons of fanboys who complain about how he always wears armor on film now, when the alternative, spandex, looks completely ridiculous.

I think Spiderman proves that spandex can work in some cases.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

This is true sadly,I would add that something a lot of TF fans don't realize is that a good amount of the criticism for a TF movie probably isn't exclusive to bayformers.

I think if you want a truly serious interpretation of Transformers that works effortlessly in a live-action format ultimately that interpretation will be something drastically different.

Some things just don't translate well to different mediums. Transformers was intentionally cartoonish in nature because the intended audience had always been the same audience that would buy action figures. It's no surprise to me that the live-action movies are a little silly.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I think Spiderman proves that spandex can work in some cases.

They didn't use spandex. That was as much of a molded bodysuit as the one's worn by Michael Keaton.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

They didn't use spandex. That was as much of a molded bodysuit as the one's worn by Michael Keaton.

True, but it looked like spandex and not molded armor, which was the point.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

True, but it looked like spandex and not molded armor, which was the point.

Eh No, it definitely didn't look like spandex. I agree it was a great rendition of the ever popular costume, but it didn't look like spandex.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Eh No, it definitely didn't look like spandex. I agree it was a great rendition of the ever popular costume, but it didn't look like spandex.

Eh Yes, it definitely did look like spandex.It certainly didnt look like armor. It looked like common stretch fabric aside from the molded mussels, which almost looked real under the materials.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Eh Yes, it definitely did look like spandex.It certainly didnt look like armor. It looked like common stretch fabric aside from the molded mussels, which almost looked real under the materials.

It looked like a molded wetsuit, which is essentially what it was. I never said the Spider-Man costume was "armor", I said it didn't look like spandex, and anyone who knows what spandex looks like knows it didn't.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It looked like a molded wetsuit, which is essentially what it was.

Many wetsuits are made of spandex/lycra.

I never said the Spider-Man costume was "armor", I said it didn't look like spandex, and anyone who knows what spandex looks like knows it didn't.

I know very well what spandex looks like, and yes, Spidermans suit did have the look of spandex.

According to the suits designer, it was made from a polyester and nylon. Made to be a bit like a gymnast’s suit or a ballet dancer’s costume.

Many of which are also made of spandex/lycra.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

This argument really cant be won by either of us.

Its a "perception" issue, what looks like one thing to one person can look completely different to the next.

But what ever material they used, they went out of their way to give it a look consistent with how its seen in the comics.

 

[Marvin]

It was a healthy mix of both, you guy could discuss it in circles and both be right/wrong.

Adam West and Chris reeve literally wore "spandex" in the vain of the adapted image.

Spiderman isn't wearing that per say, however he isn't wearing the same stuf Val Kilmer wore either.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It was a healthy mix of both, you guy could discuss it in circles and both be right/wrong.

Adam West and Chris reeve literally wore "spandex" in the vain of the adapted image.

Spiderman isn't wearing that per say, however he isn't wearing the same stuf Val Kilmer wore either.

Your right, hence the post I made just above yours.

 

[Marvin]

eh, you said it's a perception issue
I say it's a mix of both

we're all right

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

eh, you said it's a perception issue
I say it's a mix of both

we're all right

I guess we all are.

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

One complaint that I heard from Bayformer haters is the fact the human characters are in the movie. I was like seriously? There would be no reason what so ever for there to a be a live action TF movie if it was all robots and no humans. It might as stay animated if thats what you all want.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

One complaint that I heard from Bayformer haters is the fact the human characters are in the movie. I was like seriously? There would be no reason what so ever for there to a be a live action TF movie if it was all robots and no humans. It might as stay animated if thats what you all want.

Its official now.

Your now complaining more about the complainers then the complainers are complaining.

How many times now have you claimed you were done with this topic?

By my count its at least 3.

I am done with this topic.

I am done with my rant lol.

I am done lol. Seriously

No less this last complain shows just how bias you are to the complainers and how ignorant [no offense intended] you actually are twards what they are complaining about.

One complaint that I heard from Bayformer haters is the fact the human characters are in the movie.

The complaint wasnt that human characters were in the film.

The complaint was that the human characters got more screen time and focus of the story.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Don't know if this has been brought up yet but looks like the picky people who were offended by Mudflap and Skids got their wish come true.

I mean lighten up people remember the G1 cartoon already had a few Autobots behaving a bit with human habits.

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/1...s-wont-be-back-in-transformers-3-after-all?nc

So much about "Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen" was horrible that picking a least favorite moment is like choosing between your children, if you kinda hated your children. But you really can't fall much farther than "Mudflap" and "Skids," the "urban" robots that, as The New York Times' Manohla Dargis' rightly said, "have been given conspicuously cartoonish, so-called black voices that indicate that minstrelsy remains as much in fashion in Hollywood as when, well, Jar Jar Binks was set loose by George Lucas." Director Michael Bay defended Mudflap and Skids (who, in the year 2009, had gold teeth and bug ears), claiming, "We're just putting more personality in. I don't know if it's stereotypes -- they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it." But even Bay is smart enough to avoid more controversy while he can, claiming Monday on the official Michael Bay fan board -- oh, by the way America, there are Michael Bay fan boards -- that the twins will not appear in "Transformers: Dark of the Moon."
A fan blog tried to get fired up that Bay was lying, with reports that new and "improved" versions of Mudflap and Skids were seen on the set yesterday, but they have the date wrong on the post; the post they're referencing is more than a year old. So it looks like there will not in fact be awful stereotypes of African-Americans as portrayed by robots from an alien planet in the third "Transformers" movie. In Michael Bay's brain, perhaps this is considered progress.

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Its official now.

Your now complaining more about the complainers then the complainers are complaining.

How many times now have you claimed you were done with this topic?

By my count its at least 3.



No less this last complain shows just how bias you are to the complainers and how ignorant [no offense intended] you actually are twards what they are complaining about.



The complaint wasnt that human characters were in the film.

The complaint was that the human characters got more screen time and focus of the story.

WTF ever. If people can complain about these movies for YEARS it should'nt bother you that I come in and share my opinons on complainers. I am not the one making a stupid topic about how a movie ruined my childhood characters just because it was'nt done the way I wanted it. Seems childish and stupid to me. I love Spidey but I was not ******ing and moaning for years about spider man 3 or how horrible it was and how it ruined my memories of spider man. That crap makes no sense to me and it has gotten old.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

WTF ever. If people can complain about these movies for YEARS it should'nt bother you that I come in and share my opinons on complainers.

It doesnt bother me at all.

I just find your obsession about it humorous.

I am not the one making a stupid topic about how a movie ruined my childhood characters just because it was'nt done the way I wanted it.

True, but you are the only one who's actually still talking about the topic as it was started.

Most of the rest of the guys still posting on this thread have moved on beyond that part of the topic.

We have talked about director abilities,writer skills,, voice actors skills, the elevation of the fiction and how most fictions need to be adapted from its source materials.

We have made something useful of the topic instead of just complaints.

You, how ever, continue bring us back to what started this topic for some reason.No one has posted the type of complaint you keep ranting about since about page 2.

As far as I can tell, you entered this debate on page 6 with your first complaint about complainers and here we are on page 10 and your still complaining about them.

Even when none of them have made a single post in like "forever".

Seems childish and stupid to me

........... for you to be so obsessed about a group of people that arent even posting on this topic anymore.

Think about it.

.

I love Spidey but I was not ******ing and moaning for years about spider man 3 or how horrible it was and how it ruined my memories of spider man. That crap makes no sense to me and it has gotten old.

But you are the only one ******ing and moaning about the Bay complainers...even when they havent complained in a while.

Its getting just as old.

 

[TheMaskedHero]

I have been lurking these boards since 2007 and I am a fan of both G1 and Bay's Transformers movies. Now do I like everything that Bay has done with TF in his movies? No. But I still find them to be entertaining (even though I was not crazy about Revenge of the Fallen). I was around when revenge of the fallen came out and it got really ugly on these boards. People that disliked the TF films from day one were having a field day and were trolling hard. They really crossed the line by calling people who like the movie ******s and other very rude and degrading things.

I remember Celtic Predator and Mr. Para-Normal were the two that were going toe to toe with the trolls. So I get why Mr. Para-Normal might still be angry about the haters as he put it but its time to let it go dude. I would hate for the boards to return to that awful place that it was when revenge of the fallen came out. I don't know if anyone remembers a dude by the name of Shadow Boxer87 but that was me. That account got banned because I lost control arguing with the trolls on these boards back in 09.

So Mr. Para-Normal do your self a favor man and just let that crap go. If people what to complain let them. As long as they stay in this topic and don't bring their crap to other topics on this board I am fine. Chill out Mr. Para-Normal or you will end up like me with a new account. LOL

 

[Marvin]

wow, shadow boxer 87
time flies...your story sounds like the plot of a bad movie lol.
Good to see you around.

And yes, TF had some interesting effects on those that had a bad taste for the series, it's box office being a gift and curse.

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Umm Masked Hero I think I remember a dude with that user name Shadow Boxer back then. But what you said was correct I was one of the people firing back at the trolls who were degrading people who liked revenge of the fallen and TF 1 back then. That's why I am in this topic to prevent trolls from coming back and bringing their ignorance back to these boards. I am not worried about getting banned if it means I helped stop trolls from comming back and ruining these boards like they did in 09.

 

[TheMaskedHero]

wow, shadow boxer 87
time flies...your story sounds like the plot of a bad movie lol.
Good to see you around.

And yes, TF had some interesting effects on those that had a bad taste for the series, it's box office being a gift and curse.

LOL Yea I am back after being gone for a few years. Looks like things haven't changed too much around here. How has everything being going with you Marvin?