Comics Most annoying recent change?

[Dangerous]

Yeah but in terms of compromising the character things were no way as bad in 98 as they are today.

 

[Chris Wallace]

No, they weren't.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Y'know something else that bugs me? Everybody who defends the unmasking & the registration & all that-they keep saying it's the law. He shouldn't oppose the law. Law, this, law, that. Well, just because somebody signs off on something doesn't make it right. As a black man I can think of SEVERAL "laws" that have been opposed in the past & had they not, I wouldn't be able to vote, sit where I want on the bus, eat in most restaurants, or even THINK about owning property or starting a business.
*steps down off soapbox*
I'm just saying, superheroes are supposed to fight for what's right, not just do as they're told. Isn't that what we read comics for?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Now some of you might read that last post & say I'm calling Spidey an "Uncle Tom". Well, I guess I am.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Guess what.. Peter is HUMAN... and he is being told what is right at the moment.. but is starting to realise that its wrong... have you guys even read amazing spider-man during his decision to unmask? He discussed it with his family.. and that if he chose not to unmask he and the family would have to go into hiding... if he didn't unmask not only would he be arrested if caught.. but so would his wife and aunt who would be accomplices... and he didn't want them to go through that either..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

and btw.. the relaunch comics did friggin too compramise his character... MJ being killed in a plane crash and peter being single with roomates? oo and aunt may coming back from the dead? all bull $h*t. and the stories were boring as hell... i would never trade that garbage for the stuff were getting today

 

[Chris Wallace]

By "compromise his character", we mean changing who he is at the core. None of the crap that Byrne & Mackie wrote changed who Peter Parker was. This does. He no longer thinks for himself or stands up for what he feels is right. He just does whatever somebody else tells him is right. And that has never been his way.
And repeatedly pointing out that he questioned the decision to unmask before & has continued to do so since, & that he's coming to regret it, only PROVES THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA.

 

[shinlyle]

I was 25; I just clung to the hope that it was gonna get better. Kinda like I'm doing now.

I was 19 or 20....I didn't buy one bit of it. Sorry...it was just awful. Then again, That was the first thing I'd read in a few years, and it ran me off again...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Re-writing Spidey's origin was just stupid. The problems with him lay in the present, not the past. His early stories were awesome. And Marvel's justification was that they wanted his history to be more up-to-date? Bull! If that were true they would've done it to everybody. It was just another needless Spider-Man shakeup.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

By "compromise his character", we mean changing who he is at the core. None of the crap that Byrne & Mackie wrote changed who Peter Parker was. This does. He no longer thinks for himself or stands up for what he feels is right. He just does whatever somebody else tells him is right. And that has never been his way.
And repeatedly pointing out that he questioned the decision to unmask before & has continued to do so since, & that he's coming to regret it, only PROVES THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA.

Yes, but under extreme cicumstances people act different... and personally i think the stuff in his life have been a bit extreme.. nothin's bothered me to feel like its that big of a stretch at all

 

[SpideyInATree]

Dude, that's fine. Let them be. If they enjoy being spoon-fed and not thinking too much about what they read, that's their perogative. I'm sure these are the same people who bought Chapter One, as well. Just don't come on here and expect those who (rightfully) take this book a little more seriously than "just a book", and have an emotional investment in the characters contained in its pages.

They enjoy whatever comes out, no matter what it is, fine....but some of us set our standards a little higher than that. I understand people are going to have a different opinion, but to agree with EVERYTHING a company does, well, that's just ignorant. I personally enjoy reading into the material...that's what it's there for.

So basically whoever likes everything isn't as good of a comic book reader or a Spider-Man fan as you are. And how is it ignorant? The person just likes it. Period. If all a person wants to do is read stories with Spider-Man and have a little escapism fun with their favorite character, that's not ignorant. I think it's you who are being ignorant about other fans of the character and how they want to read their comics.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just think alot of people have problems with change in general... change can be good.. and change can be bad... all in all you don't know that until alot of time has passed... i'm sure people didn't freak out like this when spidey grew six arms.. or dated a new girl

 

[SpideyInATree]

I just think alot of people have problems with change in general... change can be good.. and change can be bad... all in all you don't know that until alot of time has passed... i'm sure people didn't freak out like this when spidey grew six arms.. or dated a new girl

People did react along the same lines when those things happened back in Stan Lee's day. Pick up the Amazing Spider-Man 40 year CD-Rom, you get the letters pages from those old issues included. Most Spider-Man fans have been insane in love with the character since day one, heh.

 

[Dangerous]

I just think alot of people have problems with change in general... change can be good.. and change can be bad... all in all you don't know that until alot of time has passed... i'm sure people didn't freak out like this when spidey grew six arms.. or dated a new girl

None of that stuff defiled his integrity or the integrity of the supporting cast like the current post SP Spidey comics have done.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

People did react along the same lines when those things happened back in Stan Lee's day. Pick up the Amazing Spider-Man 40 year CD-Rom, you get the letters pages from those old issues included. Most Spider-Man fans have been insane in love with the character since day one, heh.

and they STILL over react... its always gone back to formula.. fanboys just arn't ever happy to be honest.. they get mad that "dead never means dead" and that no change is perminant... but when a change does happen they complain about it... or when someone does die.. they complain about it.. when a character doesnt change at all the comic industry goes into bankrupcy cuz no one buys it... when they do change things they sell well.. but the fans complain...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

None of that stuff defiled his integrity or the integrity of the supporting cast like the current post SP Spidey comics have done.

PEOPLE DONT ACT 100% THE SAME WAY ALL THERE LIFE UNDER EVERY DIFFERENT SURCUMSTANCE! GET OVER IT! IT WONT LAST LONG AT ALL!

 

[The Joker]

PEOPLE DONT ACT 100% THE SAME WAY ALL THERE LIFE UNDER EVERY DIFFERENT SURCUMSTANCE!

In Peter's case he went from one of the smartest heros to one of the dumbest all in one issue.

And there's no excuse for that. There were no circumstances strong enough to make him do what he did.

GET OVER IT! IT WONT LAST LONG AT ALL!

Are you trying to say that a temporary crappy story somehow excuse the crapiness of that story??

 

[Dangerous]

Spideyboy,- Maybe you need to get over telling me to get over it?

JMS has got PP/SM's character wrong for the last 2 years plus.
He obviously does not understand who PP is anymore.

Won't last long? How do you figure that braniac, I have been waiting for 2 years plus for the SP arc to be ret con'd and that has yet to happen.

Why don't you try thinking about what you are actually typing before you type it?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Spideyboy,- Maybe you need to get over telling me to get over it?

JMS has got PP/SM's character wrong for the last 2 years plus.
He obviously does not understand who PP is anymore.

Won't last long? How do you figure that braniac, I have been waiting for 2 years plus for the SP arc to be ret con'd and that has yet to happen.

Why don't you try thinking about what you are actually typing before you type it?

Actually, JMS has nailed Peter Parker really well throughout his run. He's just interjected him into a couple really bad storylines, that's all. There's a big difference.

And Sins Past is pretty much retconned. When was the last time you saw, heard of, or had an inkling of a notion of either Gabe, Sara, or the fact that Norman Osborn slept with Gwen Stacy?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In Peter's case he went from one of the smartest heros to one of the dumbest all in one issue.

And there's no excuse for that. There were no circumstances strong enough to make him do what he did.



Are you trying to say that a temporary crappy story somehow excuse the crapiness of that story??

I don't think hes done anything "dumb" besides trust tony... but then again we see Tony for what he is.. when Peter is just starting to figure that out. He Idolized Tony... and its very much human nature to be blinded by that... i don't see any of that being out of character either... and the totem mystical crap... it was interesting at first.. but too drawn out.. and the other was a let down... I didnt mind anything besides the stingers (wich are nearly retconned due to the extremely limited use of them)

Temporary crap is much better then perminant crap (like no writer officially saying why Gwen got it on with norman)

 

[The Joker]

And Sins Past is pretty much retconned. When was the last time you saw, heard of, or had an inkling of a notion of either Gabe, Sara, or the fact that Norman Osborn slept with Gwen Stacy?

Oh I wish it was retconned.

If you bought the Civil War files this week, you'd see that under Osborn's profile they mention his seduction of Gwen.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Spideyboy,- Maybe you need to get over telling me to get over it?

JMS has got PP/SM's character wrong for the last 2 years plus.
He obviously does not understand who PP is anymore.

Won't last long? How do you figure that braniac, I have been waiting for 2 years plus for the SP arc to be ret con'd and that has yet to happen.

Why don't you try thinking about what you are actually typing before you type it?

He got nothing about HIS CHARACTER wrong.. he just used the mystical elements... that doesnt change his personality.. just that his powers were predestined... he was always ment to be spider-man.. i see nothin wrong with that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually, JMS has nailed Peter Parker really well throughout his run. He's just interjected him into a couple really bad storylines, that's all. There's a big difference.

And Sins Past is pretty much retconned. When was the last time you saw, heard of, or had an inkling of a notion of either Gabe, Sara, or the fact that Norman Osborn slept with Gwen Stacy?

exactly.. though i would like a writer to tackle it again... but this time let it be known that the preggers gwen was either drugged by norman (though drugged so that she thought she was guilty and blamed herself, when in reality she wasn't.. or Miles Warrens clone... )

 

[Dangerous]

Actually, JMS has nailed Peter Parker really well throughout his run. He's just interjected him into a couple really bad storylines, that's all. There's a big difference.

And Sins Past is pretty much retconned. When was the last time you saw, heard of, or had an inkling of a notion of either Gabe, Sara, or the fact that Norman Osborn slept with Gwen Stacy?

I don’t think he has nailed Parker really well at all. He developed MJ and May into interesting characters again a few years back but today PP is basically just Tony Stark 's girlfriend and no longer has any backbone or is funny anymore.

That is not Spider-man I'm afraid.
Bad storylines, that's putting it mildly.
Creative disasters aside- Stingers, pointless death/power upgrades, s-hit costume changes,
Gwen would not screw Norman Osborn, and SM would not unmask after so long for basically no reason. To keep his word w/ Stark?, The REAL Spidey would never have been so dumb to swear his life over to Stark in the first place.

As for SP that ain’t retconed at all.
It’s current status quo and will remain so until a writer w/ the balls and know how comes along and un does the whole mess. Just cause it has not been mentioned for two years don mean jack.
Going on that equation we could assume that Harry Osborn is not dead, Doctor Octopus never tried to wed May and SM never beat Juggy to a tactical standstill.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Oh I wish it was retconned.

If you bought the Civil War files this week, you'd see that under Osborn's profile they mention his seduction of Gwen.

I didn't get Civil War files. And I also heard from someone else here on the boards that Ben Reilly gets mentioned alot in there, which now everyone thinks that he's returning.

So, it's not retconned then. Oh well, its an easily forgetable thing for me. Wish some other people would follow suit.