New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 2

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The Demon bear saga was a horror series, sorry but marvel disney fans please stop denying facts.

I know some of you are only saying it is not horror because disney makes only light hearted movies but fact are new mutants demon bear saga the movie is based off was HORROR. Period.

a story were nightmare becomes reality. that is horror, the writer wrote the comics as such.

I read Demon Bear to get a feel for New Mutants and I quite liked it. I agree there is something nightmarish about the story and the art, but the horror seems to be inspired from the characters' powers. From Mirage's illusions to Wolfbane's transformation into a she-wolf, and Magik's demonic form...

Magma's backstory, for example, involves Selene (a vampire/sorceress) and a girl who can catch on fire and turn the world into a living hell (like Frodo in the volcano in the end of the Lord of the Rings). After reading a little of New Mutants Vol 3 (thanks Psylockolossus!) I definitely got the creeps from watching Legion come out of the box and trap the girls in his head (quite intense!). Cypher coming back to life possessed and Magik's powers can give anyone a sense of horror as well.

Can't wait to read the issues where Magik transforms into a demon.

It's a good superhero team to experiment this way at this time, imo

 

[BWX]

The big news for Comcast will be tomorrow since the Judge is supposed to rule on the AT&T/Time Warner merger. If the Judge upholds the merger, that makes Comcast's position a lot more competitive.

I heard Comcast just wants to give them hot cash.


for me though I never imagined Rupert selling disney. the guy is way too right wing.

 

[psylockolussus]

The big news for Comcast will be tomorrow since the Judge is supposed to rule on the AT&T/Time Warner merger. If the Judge upholds the merger, that makes Comcast's position a lot more competitive.

Comcast, in the words of Frozen, just let it go.

 

[Drexelhand]

Not all of New Mutants was a horror story, but Demon Bear, Magus and Inferno definitely were. Their stories against the Silver Samurai, Amahl Farouk, Legion, Hellfire Club's Hellions and the MLF definitely were not.

 

[BWX]

I read Demon Bear to get a feel for New Mutants and I quite liked it. I agree there is something nightmarish about the story and the art, but the horror seems to be inspired from the characters' powers. From Mirage's illusions to Wolfbane's transformation into a she-wolf, and Magik's demonic form...

Magma's backstory, for example, involves Selene (a vampire/sorceress) and a girl who can catch on fire and turn the world into a living hell (like Frodo in the volcano in the end of the Lord of the Rings). After reading a little of New Mutants Vol 3 (thanks Psylockolossus!) I definitely got the creeps from watching Legion come out of the box and trap the girls in his head (quite intense!). Cypher coming back to life possessed and Magik's powers can give anyone a sense of horror as well.

Can't wait to read the issues where Magik transforms into a demon.

It's a good superhero team to experiment this way at this time, imo

Well spoken. even marvel itself in the 60s was an experiment with human characters who just happened to have powers compared to the DC gods.

I loved Legion, have not seen season 2 yet but amdired the work of art of season 1. they don't call that show art for no reason.

New Mutants has potential, maybe even more than deadpool. Its good to see that than just your standard typical CGI bonanza superhero movies of destroying the world with zero substance.

Comcast, in the words of Frozen, just let it go.

psylockolussus or should I call you thatguy or thatguyson. brace yourself...winter is here. Comcast probably can handle the obvious that new mutants- the demon bear story is horror and just let the film be as that instead of trying to turn it into High School Musical like Spiderman Homecoming. If anyone needs to give up. its disney. they don't need another established film series to ruin after Star Wars.

 

[Drexelhand]

So Josh Boone was meeting with the New Mutants production crew on May 31st. Might be for The Stand.

 

[BWX]

So Josh Boone was meeting with the New Mutants production crew on May 31st. Might be for The Stand.

Would that not be ironic. the influence for new mutants comes from the talents of Stephen King.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I heard Comcast just wants to give them hot cash.

They do, but that has nothing to do with whether it would violate the Sherman Act.

for me though I never imagined Rupert selling disney. the guy is way too right wing.

Politics have nothing to do with it - it's all about a fiduciary duty. And cash can actually lower the value of the merger because it means Comcast will have possibly borrowed too much.

 

[psylockolussus]

Let's not forget Murdoch approached the house of Disney to sell their assets. Comcast should focus just on their Dark Universe.

 

[Weather Witch]

In this age of social media there are 3 things I don't trust.

1. early twitter reactions
2. Test screenings
3. click bait articles with leaks.

And that's fair, but they are still a a step up from assumptions, and some of the articles are from credible sources as well. The idea that Fox meddled with Boone's movie is an assumption, however, and there are sources that challenge this assumption and paint a different picture. The idea that Disney meddled with the movie is not just an assumption, but also impossible from a legal standpoint. I know people are always quick to point out that these big corporations don't play by the rules, but with a deal involving this much money they wouldn't take any risks what-so-ever.

Anyway, today should be interesting with AT&T/Time Warner.

 

[psylockolussus]

And that's fair, but they are still a a step up from assumptions, and some of the articles are from credible sources as well. The idea that Fox meddled with Boone's movie is an assumption, however, and there are sources that challenge this assumption and paint a different picture. The idea that Disney meddled with the movie is not just an assumption, but also impossible from a legal standpoint. I know people are always quick to point out that these big corporations don't play by the rules, but with a deal involving this much money they wouldn't take any risks what-so-ever.

Anyway, today should be interesting with AT&T/Time Warner.

Not as interesting with Fox merging with Disney.

 

[BWX]

They do, but that has nothing to do with whether it would violate the Sherman Act.



Politics have nothing to do with it - it's all about a fiduciary duty. And cash can actually lower the value of the merger because it means Comcast will have possibly borrowed too much.

Well regardless of the politics, looks like he is now very much open to Comcast.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...ling-go-comcast-bid-fox-assets-report-1118064
Rupert Murdoch May Be Willing to Go With Comcast Bid for Fox Assets (Report)

As a comic fan and x-men fan for me this is good, We need more movies like Logan. New Mutants is the best bet for now considering how most of the comic movies this year are just the same old formulaic CGI stuff. Even Deadpool 2 could not recapture the magic fully though still maintained the egde which is good not great, Infinity War was just a hot mess, black panther- overrated and generic at best.

I think we need the more compelling and drama comic films like Logan and DOFP. For us marvel comic fans and I mean veteran marvel comic fans, these movies were our own TDK or Batman Begins. I hope Rupert sees that and sells fox studio to Comcast instead. There is no point of disney owing fox. they cant handle series like x-men, aliens or planet of apes. It is way of their league.

 

[Weather Witch]

Not as interesting with Fox merging with Disney.

Or Fox merging with Comcast, though neither are happening today.

 

[BWX]

Or Fox merging with Comcast, though neither are happening today.

Definitely. Fox merging with Comcast is more interesting.


Star Wars is broken. The MCU formula has gotten boring. X-Men stories are way above it. New Mutants is the best example. demon bear is horror and should be horror in film. it is not new mutants fault that Disney does not make horror.



Nothing Disney can do can excite anyone anymore apart from their Pixar and Disney animated movies. which is what disney is best at.

 

[psylockolussus]

Or Fox merging with Comcast, though neither are happening today.

Well it won't give us Avengers crossing over with the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. Universal doesn't have a good track record in producing Marvel flicks. Also in terms of movies, Disney's franchises/brands are more consistent/successful compare to Universal.

 

[BWX]

Well it won't give us Avengers crossing over with the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. Universal doesn't have a good track record in producing Marvel flicks. Also in terms of movies, Disney's franchises/brands are more consistent/successful compare to Universal.

Read more xmen comics. see how many times they crossed over. little. X-Men is not about crossovers. cross over movies are now more like publicity stunt. the cross over films have proven time and time again to be the weakest comic films.


Last we heard about the deal, fox will remain a studio. The disney franchise has been less consistent, they are successful due to mass appeal and disney branding that has nothing to do with actual good legit movies.

 

[BWX]

And that's fair, but they are still a a step up from assumptions, and some of the articles are from credible sources as well. The idea that Fox meddled with Boone's movie is an assumption, however, and there are sources that challenge this assumption and paint a different picture. The idea that Disney meddled with the movie is not just an assumption, but also impossible from a legal standpoint. I know people are always quick to point out that these big corporations don't play by the rules, but with a deal involving this much money they wouldn't take any risks what-so-ever.

Anyway, today should be interesting with AT&T/Time Warner.

If the AT&T/Time Warner goes through it is easier for comcast? right?
Hopefully when comcast wins this bid, I bet we will start seeing more news about new mutants like before.



Its just too hard not to buy that the merge had nothing to do with it. fox was already getting comfortable after logan and deapool. new mutants was about to join those movies until all of sudden its on hold,pushed back for a year. not a coincidence it came at a time disney supposedly bought fox, the same disney that will never greenlight a horror movie.


How will you feel if the truth does come out and it is what most of us thinks...that disney did force fox to push back the film because it does not suit their brand after the merge was announced?

 

[psylockolussus]

I read Demon Bear to get a feel for New Mutants and I quite liked it. I agree there is something nightmarish about the story and the art, but the horror seems to be inspired from the characters' powers. From Mirage's illusions to Wolfbane's transformation into a she-wolf, and Magik's demonic form...

Magma's backstory, for example, involves Selene (a vampire/sorceress) and a girl who can catch on fire and turn the world into a living hell (like Frodo in the volcano in the end of the Lord of the Rings). After reading a little of New Mutants Vol 3 (thanks Psylockolossus!) I definitely got the creeps from watching Legion come out of the box and trap the girls in his head (quite intense!). Cypher coming back to life possessed and Magik's powers can give anyone a sense of horror as well.

Can't wait to read the issues where Magik transforms into a demon.

It's a good superhero team to experiment this way at this time, imo

Your welcome!

 

[Abudefduf]

Star Wars is broken. The MCU formula has gotten boring.

Dude, Marvel Studios' last three movies have made over 4 billions at the box office. You can't just ignore reality.

Gosh, she's so freaking cool.

 

[BWX]

Dude, Marvel Studios' last three movies have made over 4 billions at the box office. You can't just ignore reality.

Gosh, she's so freaking cool.

Read my last post, I did not ignore reality, I even said Disney movies make money as they are crowd pleasers and Disney branded. If anyone ignored reality is people that won’t accept the new mutants demon bear saga is horror.

To the contrary I don't care about money except when it is getting lost, which is not the case with fox. MCU movies are making billions of dollars but their movies gets worse equipped with little story, little substance, and too much CGI or unnecessary crossovers. MCU movies are now full on transformers with fast and furious screenplay level writing.

I liked when my billion dollar movies was TDK as their was the artistic film craft and depth to go with the cash.Look at the mcu movies this year, do any of them even come close to the level of Logan? Infinity wars and black panther are not even close to their best movie: The winter solider. When Disney peaked with comic films. Meanwhile fox continues to break more ground and push the limits and thinking of what comic films are and can be.New Mutants is meant to be one of those movies. That is worth more than any Disney billion dollar formulaic movie of the week.

 

[Abudefduf]

Okay but how you personally feel about Marvel Studios and their "formulaic" movies is not proof that the MCU formula is getting stale.

 

[Weather Witch]

If the AT&T/Time Warner goes through it is easier for comcast? right?

Yes, most likely if AT&T/Time Warner doesn't go through, Comcast will not make a bid, or alternatively Fox won't accept it. If it does go through it is a case of "who pays more". Though for the industry as a whole, a Comcast & Fox deal is less risky than the Disney & Fox deal, even if it is a case of horizontal vs vertical merger. Disney & Fox means one company has about half the yearly box office in the US. That's really, really bad.

Hopefully when comcast wins this bid, I bet we will start seeing more news about new mutants like before.

Whether Disney / Comcast buys Fox or neither will have no effect on New Mutants, Dark Phoenix or X-Force. It'll be another 1/1.5 years before we start to feel any effects if either merger goes through.

Its just too hard not to buy that the merge had nothing to do with it. fox was already getting comfortable after logan and deapool. new mutants was about to join those movies until all of sudden its on hold,pushed back for a year. not a coincidence it came at a time disney supposedly bought fox, the same disney that will never greenlight a horror movie.

Well, Disney has zero involvement in what Fox is doing right now. If they were actively involved that might kill the entire deal before it happens. It would give the Justice Department a pretty big headstart on trying to block the merger. There is no way they'd risk that. So right now for both companies it is business as usual. It is funny though, because by this logic Comcast should be telling Fox to do things behind the scenes as well. Cuz obviously Disney is no more relevant to Fox than Comcast right now. But you never hear anyone say something like that.

How will you feel if the truth does come out and it is what most of us thinks...that disney did force fox to push back the film because it does not suit their brand after the merge was announced?

I will promise you right now that I'll delete my forum account the day that happens. It won't happen, but you have my word.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes, most likely if AT&T/Time Warner doesn't go through, Comcast will not make a bid, or alternatively Fox won't accept it. If it does go through it is a case of "who pays more". Though for the industry as a whole, a Comcast & Fox deal is less risky than the Disney & Fox deal, even if it is a case of horizontal vs vertical merger. Disney & Fox means one company has about half the yearly box office in the US. That's really, really bad.

Only bad if the other four major film studios don't know how to compete.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Judge approved. Looks like Comcast will be making that bid.

 

[Drexelhand]

Judge approved. Looks like Comcast will be making that bid.

Then this is a bidding war that Disney just cannot win, their stock is already down a bit.