New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 2

[slugzilla]

New Mutants is dead. Dark Phoenix as of now is the last mutant movie coming from Fox. Even it could be pulled from release at this point. It's all up to how Kinberg's final cut is recieved. No one I know has seen it yet. It's still up in the air.

 

[slugzilla]

Daniel Richtman‏ twitter
Not a huge surprise but from what I hear Gambit and Dr. Doom are officially dead. As for X-Force, it's not "Officially" dead, but they only have two months to start filming it and that's not gonna happen. So... not happening, not with Fox anyway.
New Mutants will be the last X-Men Universe movie for Fox and Dark Phoenix the last one coming from the main series.
Silver Surfer, Kitty Pryde and Multiple Man are also dead...

Was there anyone who still actually thought those projects were happening?!?!

 

[slugzilla]

I wonder how long it take for all the great "insiders" like Richtman to catch up with what I've been telling you all for months now?

 

[imbruglia]

Was there anyone who still actually thought those projects were happening?!?!

lol ikr. but people are making big deal out of this, it's getting some coverage.

so new mutants streaming release idea is completely dead?

 

[slugzilla]

lol ikr. but people are making big deal out of this, it's getting some coverage.

so new mutants streaming release idea is completely dead?

You never know what could change, but the last I heard was that they were thinking about an October release on the streaming service, and then someone up top finally just said no. There is certainly a pathway for New Mutants to be released in some capacity, but some influential individuals would have to change their minds, which I don't see as being very likely.

 

[SumT]

What streamin service? Disney +?

 

[Darkprime]

Was there anyone who still actually thought those projects were happening?!?!

There's still a few people around here who are still in denial. Its kind of sad. its like they have to discredit every negative rumour. You should have seen how many people in the Dark Phoenix thread jumped to its defence when I mentioned the 200m budget rumor that was going around a few days ago. Yikes lol. It makes you wonder if they aren't Fox shills.

 

[SumT]

some Fox/XMen crew used to enter the boards in the past, I wouldnt be surprised if some producers keep entering on here from time to time. And family members too (if they are fans of the x-men like all of us). The deffensive mode is quite suspicious

 

[ADollarADay]

I like Slugzilla and all, but I can't buy for a second that Neville of all people is a serious contender to play Namor. Sorry I just can't.

Same here. I like slug and I'm one of the people who believed him and still hopes Disney will cancel and dump New Mutants AND Dark Phoenix on Hulu, if at all. I would personally shelf these damn things. Better for the long term viability of the brand and you're better off writing that 250MM sunk cost as tax deductible credit. Disney wrote off 157MM last quarter on Vice. They wrote off 100MM+ on Gigantic. That's nothing to them if they are going to recover that money later. The first "Uncanny X-Men" from Marvel Studios, after some careful teasing and building for a couple of years, will do 1B+ at the BO, if not significantly more.

Regarding Namor, the backlash of casting a non asian person as Namor would be too big. No way, Jose. There'd be boycotts. Feige is a very smart guy. I can't believe this cast. Furthermore, we don't know the situation with Universal, but this might be a Hulk like situation, so they might be good there as long as it's not a standalone Namor movie.

New Mutants is dead. Dark Phoenix as of now is the last mutant movie coming from Fox. Even it could be pulled from release at this point. It's all up to how Kinberg's final cut is recieved. No one I know has seen it yet. It's still up in the air.

I haven't seen it, but it's very clear this movie is gonna suck ass. I vote for dumping it on Hulu or Netflix, at best. Warner Brothers and Paramount did it with Jungle Book and Cloverfield and it was a smart move because those movies sucked.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Here's an interesting accounting question. If you put the movie on a streaming service, how do you measure its profitability?

 

[The Infernal]

Regarding Namor, the backlash of casting a non asian person as Namor would be too big. No way, Jose. There'd be boycotts. Feige is a very smart guy. I can't believe this cast. Furthermore, we don't know the situation with Universal, but this might be a Hulk like situation, so they might be good there as long as it's not a standalone Namor movie.

Since when has Namor been asian? Also I think you're vastly overestimating the notoriety of a character that isn't well known. Even if he is definively asian you'd be relying on people to know and care.

 

[ADollarADay]

Here's an interesting accounting question. If you put the movie on a streaming service, how do you measure its profitability?

There are a lot of internal KPIs around that for the streaming service (i.e. how many people watched it, repeat viewings, how many people didn't finish it, etc). Externally (i.e. to shareholders) they are worried how many paying subs they have, YOY growth, and retention of customers. For the studio it mainly depends on how much they got paid by the streaming service for the product.

Since when has Namor been asian? Also I think you're vastly overestimating the notoriety of a character that isn't well known. Even if he is definively asian you'd be relying on people to know and care.

He looks asian to me and all the "dream cast" that people do on Namor, it's always an asian guy. Namor is more well known and people want him more than "The Ancient One". You do remember the controversy around that, don't you? I don't think Namor would be played by a non asian actor.

 

[slugzilla]

He looks asian to me and all the "dream cast" that people do on Namor, it's always an asian guy. Namor is more well known and people want him more than "The Ancient One". You do remember the controversy around that, don't you? I don't think Namor would be played by a non asian actor.

Fan "dream castings" are completely irrelevant to the casting process. From the beginning we've been looking for someone hispanic, white, or asian for Namor. We just happened upon Ben by chance. He'll be Namor in his first appearance, which is really just a glorified cameo, however he could easily be recast after that.

 

[samsnee]

I do feel bad for the cast, if and when they have to promote this thing. Normally the questions are around the character and how they can grow into the sequels. This one is one and done so not much you can really expand on. And at this point, the cast probably has no idea what is going to make it into the final cut vs not.

 

[The Infernal]

He looks asian to me and all the "dream cast" that people do on Namor, it's always an asian guy. Namor is more well known and people want him more than "The Ancient One". You do remember the controversy around that, don't you? I don't think Namor would be played by a non asian actor.

So you mean the fan casting by all the people who fan cast for woke points. No one remembers the Ancient One or the 'controversy '. Even you can't seem to recall they were hoping to avoid 'controversy' by not having an old Asian mystic stereotype, which would have gotten complaints from the very same people who tried to stir up controversy over that character and why that's a terrible example to use for your argument.

Namor isn't that well known outside of comic fans and many of those probably only think of him as a Fantastic Four villain.

 

[Zarex]

So you mean the fan casting by all the people who fan cast for woke points. No one remembers the Ancient One or the 'controversy '. Even you can't seem to recall they were hoping to avoid 'controversy' by not having an old Asian mystic stereotype, which would have gotten complaints from the very same people who tried to stir up controversy over that character and why that's a terrible example to use for your argument.

Namor isn't that well known outside of comic fans and many of those probably only think of him as a Fantastic Four villain.

It's more to do with the fact that that Marvel Studios has a not so great track track record when it comes to casting Asian actors, specifically men. Wong's an improvement over his comic book counterpart, but he's still just a sidekick. And Randall Park's portrayal of kick a** secret agent Jimmy Woo was a bit disappointing. Shang Chi is a great street level guy, but Namor could give Marvel studios a powerhouse that would appeal to Asian audiences.

And try not to think of it as "woke" points. Consider instead that fans want to see the wildly successful MCU continue its track record of success, and understand appealing to the broadest audience possible is essential to keep people buying tickets.

 

[The Infernal]

Nah, woke points is spot on. Certain fans wishing to 'correct' a perceived mistreatment of one specific demographic or another is not about "broadest audience possible". There will always be a problem for them to find regardless of how you write or cast a character.

 

[Zarex]

It's not a perception. It's a g-d fact. Marvel Studios has a less than stellar track record when it comes to casting Asian actors, and the publishing history in regard to Asian heroes ain't much better. Marvel Studios didn't exactly cover themselves in glory with the white washing of the Ancient One, and it makes sense that the studio should be looking to add a prominent actor of Asian descent to their lineup. It sort of worked out okay for Aquaman. It's a perfectly reasonable take to think an Asian actor is the best fit for Mr. McKenzie, regardless whether one considers oneself "woke".

 

[The Infernal]

Agree to disagree since your 'facts' are subjective opinions on certain actors and the writing of those characters.

 

[slugzilla]

Believe me when I say that EVERYONE will be surprised by how diverse the cast of some of the upcoming Marvel films will be.

The truth of it is that very few characters are truly defined by their race & or even their sex. Actors have been cast, & will continue to be cast based on who is believed to be best for the role, regardless of any other factors.

There is no agenda beyond simply trying to ensure that our films can be enjoyed by as many individuals as possible, while at the same time staying as true to the source material as possible.

We love these characters too, and would never intentionally do anything to damage them, or make them unrecognizable to the fans, but sometimes things need to be adjusted for one reason or another. It's just the simple reality of the situation.

 

[slugzilla]

It's fairly pointless for anyone to argue about these issues, as Marvel & Disney are going to do what they think is best no matter what. No argument on an internet forum will change that.

 

[Abudefduf]

Fan "dream castings" are completely irrelevant to the casting process. From the beginning we've been looking for someone hispanic, white, or asian for Namor. We just happened upon Ben by chance. He'll be Namor in his first appearance, which is really just a glorified cameo, however he could easily be recast after that.

Believe me when I say that EVERYONE will be surprised by how diverse the cast of some of the upcoming Marvel films will be.

The truth of it is that very few characters are truly defined by their race & or even their sex. Actors have been cast, & will continue to be cast based on who is believed to be best for the role, regardless of any other factors.

There is no agenda beyond simply trying to ensure that our films can be enjoyed by as many individuals as possible, while at the same time staying as true to the source material as possible.

We love these characters too, and would never intentionally do anything to damage them, or make them unrecognizable to the fans, but sometimes things need to be adjusted for one reason or another. It's just the simple reality of the situation.

 

[SumT]

Marvel shouldnt have to worry about adding diversity to the X-Men cast.
all they have to do is cast Jubilee, Psylocke, Sunfire, Bishop, Storm, Forge, Mirage and Warpath right, and the x-men universe will be fine

 

[Mike Murdock]

There are a lot of internal KPIs around that for the streaming service (i.e. how many people watched it, repeat viewings, how many people didn't finish it, etc). Externally (i.e. to shareholders) they are worried how many paying subs they have, YOY growth, and retention of customers. For the studio it mainly depends on how much they got paid by the streaming service for the product.

I agree they can measure popularity of something. And, yes, if the studio is separate, they can report what they get paid. But there's a lot of potential gaming the system when it comes to writing off a debt here (or, alternatively, if they do something with the movie, it potentially creates an issue with claiming the full amount of the debt).

 

[TheMalaka]

Believe me when I say that EVERYONE will be surprised by how diverse the cast of some of the upcoming Marvel films will be.

The truth of it is that very few characters are truly defined by their race & or even their sex. Actors have been cast, & will continue to be cast based on who is believed to be best for the role, regardless of any other factors.

There is no agenda beyond simply trying to ensure that our films can be enjoyed by as many individuals as possible, while at the same time staying as true to the source material as possible.

We love these characters too, and would never intentionally do anything to damage them, or make them unrecognizable to the fans, but sometimes things need to be adjusted for one reason or another. It's just the simple reality of the situation.

The last thing MARVEL needs to do is turn off its fan base by over race changing & gender bending. Its okay to a point but if they change the Fantastic Four or the more famous Mutants thats gonna be an issue. After End Game we might see a changing in the guard with DC slowly but surely finding its footing while the die hard fans slowly but surely turn on the MCU Star Wars style.

There is no brand loyalty so the MCU does gotta be careful. Anyone on top can end up on the bottom at any given time. Just ask LucasFilm

Its perfect;y fine being diverse but. There are plenty of diverse Mutants MARVEL can use without race changing or gender bending & not at the expense of beloved characters

Like I said there is no brand loyalty ask DC & LucasFilm

In a few years Disney might be blaming MARVEL & Star Wars for sales dropping & not just Star Wars if they turn off the MCU fan base so do your worst MARVEL lets go & that article is not just about whats in the title. The fans shunned Star Wars merchandise is MCU merchandise next after End Game ?

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