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[November Rain]

this plot is pretty damn weak in my eyes...

 

[turtlefocker]

this plot is pretty damn weak in my eyes...

I like that its simple a lot of great films were made with simple plot lines. Look at Jaws or the original Alien. Very basic stories can make excellent films.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

this plot is pretty damn weak in my eyes...

It a very short synopsis which could entail a straight forward action movie as well as a man put before a choice. Of course, it is much more likely that it is a straight forward action movie.

 

[Sava]

That would be a huge U-Turn from the comic, but would make more sense for Tim Roth.
What's the point of casting Roth for Blonsky/Abo, if it's to see him 15 min on screen and then Abo all CGI/prosthetics..???
Or 1 hour of Blonsky for 10 minutes of ABo (Venom anyone??)

So if they alter the origin to have a good balance, why not...

Roth can be amazing with Make up on, like in planet of the apes, i doubt he would mind. I dont see why they would do that, it would be one of those really stupid decisions to have Abomi hange back when ever he can. Not being able to change back is one of the main reasons he hates Banner.

 

[Sava]

Well since you asked. It happened in issue 223

For some reason all Gamma radition is released from Banner and zapp the Hulk is no more. But because the Leader is at it again Banner must do the unthinkable and because the Hulk again. It's a great issue.

great, but this story has still been done a million times. Dont know why i was expecting something new and great with Zak "Abomi nation is a stupid name " Penn writing this :

 

[antsiou]

Roth can be amazing with Make up on, like in planet of the apes, i doubt he would mind. I dont see why they would do that, it would be one of those really stupid decisions to have Abomi hange back when ever he can. Not being able to change back is one of the main reasons he hates Banner.

Well i'd like they go that route, so we'll see Roth and he remains Abo...
But Roth with Make up is like putting a rather middle size man in a big suit to be as tall as the hulk.. and i'm back to "will we get a big Man in costume to play the hulk" issue

Anyway, wait and see

 

[Sava]

Well i'd like they go that route, so we'll see Roth and he remains Abo...
But Roth with Make up is like putting a rather middle size man in a big suit to be as tall as the hulk.. and i'm back to "will we get a big Man in costume to play the hulk" issue

Anyway, wait and see

no, i used planet of the apes cause Roth can be great without having to actually see Roth, plus, the guy isnt a huge name. Just have him do what andy serkis did and he'll pull it off. I think there will be more Emil than Abomination.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

That would be a huge U-Turn from the comic, but would make more sense for Tim Roth.
What's the point of casting Roth for Blonsky/Abo, if it's to see him 15 min on screen and then Abo all CGI/prosthetics..???
Or 1 hour of Blonsky for 10 minutes of ABo (Venom anyone??)

So if they alter the origin to have a good balance, why not...

What about a change at will that in the end became irreversible? Like happened in Stevenson's "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde"?

 

[Cracker Jack]

great, but this story has still been done a million times. Dont know why i was expecting something new and great with Zak "Abomi nation is a stupid name " Penn writing this :

At least it's not Broke Back Gamma Base t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

What about a change at will that in the end became irreversible? Like happened in Stevenson's "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde"?

I think that maybe Roth/ Blonsky will be chasing Banner to get the secrets behind the Hulk (you know, Jelly Fish, Star Fish, Lizard DND) and while chasing him get's exposed to some Nano meds and gamma and poof, Abomy is born. Unless of corse, they stay away from the first movie (which I hope they do!) and he'll just be exposed to gamma and poof, Abomy is born. t:

 

[Tempest19]

This plot is incredible actually, it sounds like Hulk and not some over analysis of a character's psychology. Been there, already done that- stop beating a dead horse. It's new for the Hulk... love the fugitive aspects of it and the choice he will have to make. Sounds like a real good hero/monster movie with a great villain.

Those who want to argue against that point- please, describe the plot of Jurrassic Park without making it look simple and without going into the minute details. Can you???

It's not the plot that makes a film's story, it's the characters and how they drive the plot. Basic proof of this are 'classic' films which have a very basic plot, but due to the likability of the characters and the situations they come across the film is beyond great. Thus, film's really are driven by characters rather than plot. Often times, a more basic plot also allows you to work more with the character's and they're journey throughout the adventure.

As I said- give me the plot of Jurrassic Park without going into the minute details and without making it look 'basic'.

 

[November Rain]

I like that its simple a lot of great films were made with simple plot lines. Look at Jaws or the original Alien. Very basic stories can make excellent films.

ah yes, but how many of them were comic book films?

 

[DrakeRetro.]

wow im definitely pumped now!

 

[Tempest19]

Is Hulk a comic book film per se, though?

It's a MONSTER film with adventure and action in it... he's not Spider-Man, he's not Daredevil, he's not Batman- hell, he's not even Superman. He's the Hulk. A comic book version of a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" type story.

Look at the classic HORROR and MONSTER movies- what's one thing you often find? BASIC PLOT.

Yeah, Hulk is a MARVEL property- but, also note that he isn't a hero like the rest. He's a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" story at it's heart- genre wise and concept wise. A good monster story.

Don't believe me? I can go and find a hell of alot of quotes of Stan Lee talking about the character in those regards. He's not a "comic book hero", he's a Universal "monster" movie character.

If you call Hulk a comic film, grouping it in with the rest- you mind as well group EVERY SINGLE FILM based off of a comic around that as well.

 

[November Rain]

It a very short synopsis which could entail a straight forward action movie as well as a man put before a choice. Of course, it is much more likely that it is a straight forward action movie.

The thing is that the hulk isn't a physical condition to be cured, rather a mental condition that needs stabalised conditioning.

I wouldn't mind a cure being via hypnotic and therapeutic methods provided by doc samson and eventually causing even more problems and personalities to emerge but this magic potion idea is just trollocks.

especially if it is disregarded to save other people.

 

[Tempest19]

"I wouldn't mind a cure being via hypnotic and therapeutic methods provided by doc samson and eventually causing even more problems and personalities to emerge but this magic potion idea is just trollocks."

I've seen Bruce looking for the "cure all" remedies in all variations of the characters from cartoon to show to comic. Why shouldn't it be in the film???

A cure all remedy is a very basic concept of a Universal horror movie conception.

And if you knew anything about the Hulk, he was more based around Universal horror movie monster than being a monstrous hero. The very outline was- if I am correct- Frankenstein and Mr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. THAT IS HULK!!!

Don't believe me, I can go and get lots of interviews with Stan Lee stating that.

Yeah, MARVEL property- but not MARVEL hero, he would fit more with the MARVEL monster traditions.

 

[November Rain]

Is Hulk a comic book film per se, though?

It's a MONSTER film with adventure and action in it... he's not Spider-Man, he's not Daredevil, he's not Batman- hell, he's not even Superman. He's the Hulk. A comic book version of a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" type story.

Look at the classic HORROR and MONSTER movies- what's one thing you often find? BASIC PLOT.

Yeah, Hulk is a MARVEL property- but, also note that he isn't a hero like the rest. He's a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" story at it's heart- genre wise and concept wise. A good monster story.

Don't believe me? I can go and find a hell of alot of quotes of Stan Lee talking about the character in those regards. He's not a "comic book hero", he's a Universal "monster" movie character.

If you call Hulk a comic film, grouping it in with the rest- you mind as well group EVERY SINGLE FILM based off of a comic around that as well.

firstly, monster movies in general aren't geared towards children but the hulk will be so based on that alone, it needs to be distinguished from that genre.

secondly, i never said the hulk was a hero. I realise that the hulk is a force of nature. however, this whole giving up the cure to save other people makes Banner become more of the hero than i truelly see him as and that potential sacrifice he puts himself in rivals superman's in supes 2 and peter parker's in spidey 2.

besides, marvel are in to make cash, they are going to make this film as similar to spiderman and the last stand as possible. they've noticed a money making trend and they are going to stick with it regardless of what they are telling you, the fact they aren't letting ang do a direct sequel to his more adult-themed hulk should highlight this enough.

 

[Tempest19]

firstly, monster movies in general aren't geared towards children but the hulk will be so based on that alone, it needs to be distinguished from that genre.

1. Yeah, it is PG-13... but, are you saying that monster films have to be R? Implying by your possible PG-13=kids film logic. That's beyond being naive and ignorant. As I said- look at Universal horror movies from which the character was based on, those are PG now! Yep, sure- PG-13, musn't be a monster movie! Seriously.... lmaol.

besides, marvel are in to make cash, they are going to make this film as similar to spiderman and the last stand as possible. they've noticed a money making trend and they are going to stick with it regardless of what they are telling you, the fact they aren't letting ang do a direct sequel to his more adult-themed hulk should highlight this enough.

2. Last Stand??? You honestly don't know the difference between FOX and MARVEL do you? MARVEL has only ever gotten freedom with Universal and Sony. Look at all FOX films- they all have the same lousy production schedules in mind and profit first. Whereas, the MARVEL films in other production companies aren't like that! Why else do you think they're going solo and breaking apart from Fox??? Srry for the rant, I just hate people not being able to see what is clearly really going on there behind the scenes. It's dead strikingly obvious how monstrous Fox is.

Hey, you didn't like SM3... but, you know what? The whole team worked their ass off to make a great film. They did work hard- beyond hard- on making it as good as it could possible be. The pre-production of the film was busy as hell and the film was anything but rushed. Raimi poured his heart and soul into working on it. Money and profit first? Hah, yeah right. You didn't like it, but that doesn't stop the fact that they worked their ass off! Go read the behind the scenes book and you might learn something.

the fact they aren't letting ang do a direct sequel to his more adult-themed hulk should highlight this enough.

3. You're an Ang fan- aren't you? Well guess what, MANY fans weren't. General audiences obviously weren't... so lets see- fans, general audience complaining and bad box office. "Yep, let's keep Ang- all the fans seem to like him!" NOT!!!! Not box office first, audience and fanbase first. If you recall the fanbase for the most part didn't like Ang's take on the character... it was okay, but too psychological- I thought it was okay while others were trashing it every which way and only now are saying it's okay. Let's see what you would do if you were MARVEL and had the FANS *****ing and complaining... yep, Ang- out of there.

secondly, i never said the hulk was a hero. I realise that the hulk is a force of nature. however, this whole giving up the cure to save other people makes Banner become more of the hero than i truelly see him as and that potential sacrifice he puts himself in rivals superman's in supes 2 and peter parker's in spidey 2.

And the whole Banner cure- you just glanced over this whole thing didn't you?

End rant. Srry but none of your points lined up and just seemed very ignorant.

1. Universal Monster Movies are considered PG now a' days, just because they aren't R does that make them any less of a monster movie? Hell no. And children can still watch those- and do. You don't need blood and guts to be a horror film or monster film, that's just the newfound "gladiator" unscary form of horror these days. The Universal Monster movies are some of the best monster movies ever made!

2. Last Stand- classic Fox idiots. SM3- you didn't like it, but that doesn't mean they didn't work they're ass off! Fox ruins all they're films, that's not Marvel's fault. That's the reason why they are breaking away from Fox and starting to go solo in the first place- more creative control, no more rushing, no more trash... Fox=trash except for it's key properties from the olden days which they don't even seem to respect any more: Die Hard PG-13 cut rather than R (profit over quality). DC is lucky that they have a great production company like the WB. Place the fault where it lies for the Fox Marvel films- FOX.

3. Many fans and general audiences HATED Ang's take on the character and that reflected in box office. Hey, srry if you liked it- but, there are MANY (fans) who DIDN'T.

 

[Sava]

This plot is incredible actually, it sounds like Hulk and not some over analysis of a character's psychology. Been there, already done that- stop beating a dead horse. It's new for the Hulk... love the fugitive aspects of it and the choice he will have to make. Sounds like a real good hero/monster movie with a great villain.

Those who want to argue against that point- please, describe the plot of Jurrassic Park without making it look simple and without going into the minute details. Can you???

It's not the plot that makes a film's story, it's the characters and how they drive the plot. Basic proof of this are 'classic' films which have a very basic plot, but due to the likability of the characters and the situations they come across the film is beyond great. Thus, film's really are driven by characters rather than plot. Often times, a more basic plot also allows you to work more with the character's and they're journey throughout the adventure.

As I said- give me the plot of Jurrassic Park without going into the minute details and without making it look 'basic'.

dont ever compare Spielberg to LL...ever!

now thats out of the way.

LL isnt Spielberg and Zak penn isnt David Koepp. LL has done 3 films so far and all he's shown is that he has style. Zak penn has showed us that he cant f**king write a good comicbook movie (so far). I cant believe that you just used JP to prove your point. JP and TIH has very different people behind it. For me, as a Hulk fan, i dont like this cure angle bulls**t. Its not even that, its the people behind it and what they say. The cast is the only good thing about this movie.

 

[Tempest19]

You do know that I hold Spielberg up to be a GOD, right?

Point is- basic doesn't equal horrible. Some movies are driven more by characters than by plot, it is also arguable that all movies are guided more by character than by plot- even those with no basic plot.

And that all I mentioned was the basic plot of Jurrassic Park.

So since I WASN'T comparing their craft but rather plot sympnosis- just going to ignore your nonsensical rant because you had no idea what I was saying.

 

[Sava]

You do know that I hold Spielberg up to be a GOD, right?

Point is- basic doesn't equal horrible. Some movies are driven more by characters than by plot, it is also arguable that all movies are guided more by character than by plot- even those with no basic plot.

And that all I mentioned was the basic plot of Jurrassic Park.

So since I wasn't comparing their craft and rather plot sympnosis- just going to ignore your nonsensical rant.

awesome

you did just say that if JP can do it, why not TIH, you think LL is that good?... you think Zak Penn is that good?... You cant just use one of the greatest films of all time to say, "if they did it, why cant we?"

like i said. Its the talent behind the camera that worries us Ang fans

 

[Tempest19]

Um, where did I ever mention craft in any of it. So, just stop trying to put words into my posts- OKAY???

Zack Penn isn't that great, but he is far from the worse. I have seen two to three movies (in THEATERS) PER WEEK most of the time. And I'm talking pure movie theater viewings here- not home viewings or rentals. So, I know what a "Great(9-10)/good (7-8)/average (5-6)/bad(3-4)/horrible (1-2)" film is and don't toss those words around like lots of others seem to do. On that scale he's good-average ranging from 6-8... because, believe me- once you see a truly horrible film, the "bad" category can even seem like a breath of fresh air. Srry about that rant, but people throw around the word "horrible" and "worst movie ever" WAY too many times that it gives me a headache and makes me wonder how many films they have actually seen. I also have a +10 category for most of the films prior to the millenia, JP, BTF, etc., etc.

And once again, look back to the past.... everyone whined and complained about Ang and now that he's gone- you're whining and complaing that he's gone.... WTF??? As I said, fans were the ones behind the change. If fans didn't complain, chances are they would have just added more action, kept Ang- albiet on a tigheter lease to make sure he included more action, and etc. Like WB are doing with Singer on some regards due to SR. Hulk was met exactly like SR was... I remember, I was there.

 

[Sava]

Um, where did I ever mention craft in any of it. So, just stop trying to put words into my posts- OKAY???

sigh

you just said that JP was a simple story and that TIH could be just as good because it was simple too. Its not the story but the people behind the camera that make the movie good IMO.

Zack Penn isn't that great, but he is far from the worse. I have seen more movies per month than you probably will in two or three months combined. And I'm talking pure movie theater viewings here- not home viewings or rentals. So, I know what a "Great(9-10)/good (7-8)/average (5-6)/bad(3-4)/horrible (1-2)" film is and don't toss those words around like lots of others seem to do. On that scale he's good ranging from 7-8...

good for you, some of us actually have a job . Oh noes, you watches more mofies than me

And once again, look back to the past.... everyone whined and complained about Ang and now that he's gone- you're whining and complaing that he's gone.... WTF??? As I said, fans were the ones behind the change.

this is the same bulls**t reaction i expected, they are going the opposite way of Angs movie and people love it just because of that. Fans arent teh one who changed this, its the a**holes that b**ched about the movie without even seeing it that changed it.

 

[November Rain]

tempest i was going to reply to your reply but i don't see the point...

I think i lost you when you wish to categorise the hulk as a monster film.

now all of a sudden i'm a spiderman hater and a ang lee lover...



oh one more thing, just because something has occured in the comics doesn't make it a good idea to be adapted into a meduim that already has potentially saturated the idea of its own accord.

 

[Sava]

If fans didn't complain, chances are they would have just added more action, kept Ang- albiet on a tigheter lease to make sure he included more action, and etc. Like WB are doing with Singer on some regards due to SR. Hulk was met exactly like SR was... I remember, I was there.

if these guys are listening to teh fans, there hired the wrong writer and director to prove it. Fans didnt complain about the seriousness, its the s**ty pacing and the amount of time Hulk was on screen.