New "Ultimate Spider-Man" Animated Series Coming to Disney XD For Fall 2011? - Part 2

[Webhead2006]

Oh totally dumb execs.

 

[Anno_Domini]

http://marvelkids.marvel.com/shows/161/ultimate_spider-man

Ahh, thanks.

Ehh....they were alright episodes. Still miss TSSM, but it's an okay show to replace it.

I liked how Doc Ock was working with Osborn and they're trying to make super-spider soldiers.

 

[spiderbob]

Mm-hmm...the Doctor Doom (next episode) and the Venom episodes are the ones I'm waiting for...then I may be out.

After seeing how awesome Doom was in Avengers: EMH, I'm hesitant to view USM's take on the character. With USM's insistence on zaniness 99% of the time, I'm worried the appropriate level of threat will not be given to Doom and his efforts.
Obviously, as it hasn't come out yet, my worries could be for naught, and the awesomeness of Doom from Avengers could carry over, or even be expanded.

But still...

 

[TheVileOne]

Spectacular Spider-Man didn't have to stop and tell the audience who Gwen Stacy or Harry Osborn were in it's first episode. People new to Spider-Man could EASILY figure that out just by the interactions they had with Peter and the rest of the cast. The same goes for everyone else featured on that show in the first few episodes.

Also is it just me, or is airing these shows on a Sunday morning a really dumb idea. Yeah maybe kids who don't go to church might watch it, but why limit your potential audience?

This show isn't Spectacular Spider-Man. Get over it.

Also another thing in Dread's review. Frequent Spider-Man comics and stories feature first-person narration by Spider-Man and Spidey continuously narrates the events and what is going on and even makes witty remarks.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Thanks for the read. I specifically never state this is "the worst Spidey cartoon" because I know it is not true.

Hey, Dread. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you thought this was the worst Spider-Man cartoon. I was just reiterating my earlier post that on the plus side, Ultimate is not the worst Spidey show. Unlimited was all kinds of awful, needly putting Pete in the Spider-Man 2099 costume and am alternate world run by evolved animals.

Ultimate, at best, might be around Amazing Friends level.

MTV Spidey was better than this is so far. I just hate that the eps were aired out of order. The great animation of this show deserves better material to work with. I'll watch a few more eps of this, I guess

And MTV, aside from doing the web swinging real well and getting Spider-Man's eyes "right," the whole tone was wrong as it tried to cater to an MTV audience.

Teen Titans and Brave and the Bold are some examples where DC has already dabbled in this format.

Brave and the Bold was a fun cartoon that had numerous nods to different eras. This new show is just hyperactive.

Marvels' got "Super Hero Squad"

I would prefer Spider-Man to be on Super Hero Squad than this. I also prefer the art design of that show as well.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

This show isn't Spectacular Spider-Man. Get over it.

It isn't good either.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Most of us just aren't in the target audience for a show like this...

I'm sure this show would have blew my mind at 8 years old.

Just Thwip it!

 

[Webhead2006]

And its not 100% crap either. The point is marvel wanted to try something new. If it doesn't work. It wiill be dropped and we probabl see another show in a few yrs.

 

[Spidey_62]

And its not 100% crap either. The point is marvel wanted to try something new. If it doesn't work. It wiill be dropped and we probabl see another show in a few yrs.

It's still getting 52 episodes regardless.

 

[Sebastos]

Season 2 is already moving ahead.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Most of us just aren't in the target audience for a show like this...

I'm sure this show would have blew my mind at 8 years old.

Just Thwip it!

I don't know. Even as a kid, this kind of stuff annoyed me.

 

[Webhead2006]

Actually all they said its in early development. Doesn't mean marvel/disney could just cut them off. Just look at other shows for example. If it doesn't score well enough in ratings for dxd, which seeing ratings dxd has gotten in morning sat/sun block would have to be better then 1mill viewers.

 

[The Squirrel]

I understand it's a kid show. But I've seen better kid shows, and I've seen better Spider-Man shows. The animation is good though.

 

[Sebastos]

Actually all they said its in early development. Doesn't mean marvel/disney could just cut them off. Just look at other shows for example. If it doesn't score well enough in ratings for dxd, which seeing ratings dxd has gotten in morning sat/sun block would have to be better then 1mill viewers.

True just saying it's moving forward. A Deviantart user stated he was chosen as a storyboard revisionist for the second season of the show.

 

[kguillou]

Yeah wasn't Wolverine in the X-men moving forward and then suddenly stopped? Did we ever find out why?

 

[Spidey_62]

Yeah wasn't Wolverine in the X-men moving forward and then suddenly stopped? Did we ever find out why?

I think it was because Marvel's partner on the show dropped out on it. I forgot who exactly that partner was.

Marvel shouldn't have that problem now with all of their shows being solely produced by them starting with USM.

 

[Dread]

Assume nothing. Just because you've seen all the Spider-Man movies doesn't mean the kids watching this show have. Not to mention this is a different Mary Jane and Harry Osborn. They are establishing the relationships. All I can say is, if you people will stick around with Brave and The Bold after in the first episode you had Bat-ape and Gorilla Grodd being groomed of fleas, you can give this show a chance.

I said this elsewhere, but the main difference between "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" and "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" is the producers of the former KNEW how absurd and stupid it was, so there was tongue firmly planted in cheek. The guys behind "USM" think they're being cool, hip, and trendy. The difference is a professional clown in a circus, and someone at a club who doesn't know he's acting like a clown.

You can establish who Mary Jane and Harry Osborn are without having Peter Parker stop the episode full stop, face the audience and explain it to them. Other cartoons have done this before. I found that sort of thing insulting to my intelligence, and it wasn't the only bit. Certainly there are other ways to establish MJ and Harry as his pals and Flash as the bully without having to unlock a tutorial scene. It seemed 95% of the episodes were nothing more but an excuse for an often weak pun or reference or a pun about a reference to something done better elsewhere and the 5% of the time the show wanted a serious beat, it clashed drastically against it. In the same scene I am supposed to laugh at Thundra slipping on jello and Wizard and Klaw having LOONEY TUNES sound effects cue up when they crash against something, yet gasp in horror when Harry is zapped. Really? I know many cartoons did this in the 1980's, but it isn't the 1980's anymore.

I can't speak for everyone, but it is worth a mention that while I "stuck around" for "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" for roughly a season and a half, I still lost interest in it and never returned. And that was a show which operated as a satire. There is a difference between intentional corny and pandering. Between genuine humor and desperate humor. A better comparison may be "TEEN TITANS", and good lord was that an uneven, hit-or-miss show. One episode would be excellence and another would be aimless nonsense, with plenty in between.

There are so many things in this show which are lifted from other shows, mixed in a blender and done worse. For the first show produced in the post-Disney, post-Loeb era, I was not impressed. I'm sticking around for the short term for Iron Fist and Luke Cage, because I've been waiting ages to see them be regulars on a show. I would have been keen on Nova had he been Richard Rider and not Loeb's Mary Sue. White Tiger's also fine. However, I know watching a show for it's supporting characters rarely ends well, so I don't know how long I will hang on.

I hate it when producers make this assumption that kids aren't smarter than they give them credit for, so they feel it's their obligation to talk down to them.

Precisely. Think of the best shows you remember from your youth. I almost guarantee that most of the time, they were produced by people who didn't feel the need to talk down to you. Why do you think many youths today flock to anime?

Also another thing in Dread's review. Frequent Spider-Man comics and stories feature first-person narration by Spider-Man and Spidey continuously narrates the events and what is going on and even makes witty remarks.

The key term being "witty". There is a difference between "witty" and "banal". Different strokes, of course.

There is also a difference between narration and hitting the PAUSE BUTTON on the episode to face the camera and give a speech. It was clever the first time it was done on TV but has been ripped off to oblivion since.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I actually don't think the animation is anything to shout about...

The action and movement is more kinectic in Young Justice. In fact even The Batman back in 2004 had more dynamic animation.

It's just that the designs are less awkward than The Spectacular Spider-man.

 

[Grommers]

I'm actually surprised this show is getting so much "hate".

I was hugely against Batman : The brave and the bold, because I felt it hurt the character. I still don't look at it as a success, but people would beg to differ.

This however, is very much different, given I never watched TSSM, it maybe unfair for me to make a premature decision, but It's a quality show.

The #1 thing this show lacks is depth of character, I honestly feel we won't be delving to much into the characters, but there basic attributes, on a basic level.

It's different than B:TBATB because of this, I never felt that was taking batmans "basic" characteristics, it just felt like you could of put any super hero in his place. Where as this to me does feel like I'm watching spider-man.

(I'm not trying to start a DC vs Marvel war, I'm just taking both shows which are "light hearted")

With that said, It's not my cup of tea, but not because it's a bad show, or it's poorly executed, but because I'm more interested in the "psyche" of heroes and villains than there "quips".

It just feels like everything is "basic", which isn't a bad thing at all, it just means the older audience won't be getting much out of it, we can't really expect huge twists that could have been foreseen if we saw the clues.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Batman: The Brave and the Bold had an uneven pilot itself.

 

[Sebastos]

The #1 thing this show lacks is depth of character, I honestly feel we won't be delving to much into the characters, but there basic attributes, on a basic level.

That will be saved for season 2, with origin episodes for the team.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

It's different than B:TBATB because of this, I never felt that was taking batmans "basic" characteristics, it just felt like you could of put any super hero in his place. Where as this to me does feel like I'm watching spider-man.

Then I can tell you didn't watch much of BaTB. Watch "Chill of the Night" if you really want to get into that Batman's psyche. Not to mention many smaller moments with other heroes and his fellow sidekicks that couldn't have been pulled off with any other heroes.

Also, I strongly recommend TSSM. It's by the same people behind Gargoyles and Young Justice, so maybeyou'll enjoy it.

Batman: The Brave and the Bold had an uneven pilot itself.

Not really. It was pretty average and nothing exciting, but it had a consistent tone and fewer plot holes.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ironfist I know that all, I was jsut trying to point out. Even if work is happening. Doesn't stop marvel or disney pulling the plug. And firing cast/crew if they don't feel show is doing well enough. But I haven't seen ratings report yet for the weekend. So no clue there. But like I pointed out prior other shows in the morning block on dxd barely are breaking a mill viewers. So if show isn't pulling at least that after a few episodes then it wouldn't look good.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Then I can tell you didn't watch much of BaTB. Watch "Chill of the Night" if you really want to get into that Batman's psyche. Not to mention many smaller moments with other heroes and his fellow sidekicks that couldn't have been pulled off with any other heroes.

"Brave and the Bold" also gave us this priceless scene

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Bat-Mite: Yes, you've got a question?

Fanboy: I always felt Batman was best suited to the role of gritty urban crime detective, but now you guys have got him up against Santas, and Easter bunnies? I'm sorry, but that's not my Batman!

Panel Member: (hands Bat-Mite a piece of paper) Here, read this.


Bat-Mite: "Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots then the tortured avenger, crying out for mommy and daddy." And besides, those Easter bunnies looked really scary, right?

The last quote rings true for "Ultimate Spider-man" Just replace Batman with Spider-man

"Spider-man's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots

 

[Sebastos]

Ironfist I know that all, I was jsut trying to point out. Even if work is happening. Doesn't stop marvel or disney pulling the plug. And firing cast/crew if they don't feel show is doing well enough. But I haven't seen ratings report yet for the weekend. So no clue there. But like I pointed out prior other shows in the morning block on dxd barely are breaking a mill viewers. So if show isn't pulling at least that after a few episodes then it wouldn't look good.

I know that my friend. Was looking for a ratings report earlier, still nada.