The Wolverine News & Discussion Thread - Part 1

[x-fan]

The bone claws are from the comic first and foremost.

The scene in the picture could fit into Gavin Hood's opening montage at some point, but not the rest of the film.

In Hood's film, Wolverine goes to Japan after losing his memory in the 70s. In this film, Wolverine goes to Japan after X3.

Add to that the fact that Wolverine was sitting in a bar out of uniform in the early 60s during First Class.

They're clearly ignoring Origins. Aronofsky said they were doing that back when he was directing.

Wolverine has been to Japan many times and the time after origins doesn't have to be the time after x3, if that makes any since.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolverine has been to Japan many times and the time after origins doesn't have to be the time after x3, if that makes any since.

True.

 

[x-fan]

also who's to say he hasn't been there every since, would explain why he might be working/ torturing someone as the script suggested..

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

also who's to say he hasn't been there every since, would explain why he might be working/ torturing someone as the script suggested..

Trust me, Aronofsky's script was completely thrown out the window.

I doubt he'll get any writing credit.

So don't expect to see anything from the script's R-rated aspects.

I just hope they kept Ogun & The Hand. That'll make me happy.

 

[webhead921]

I am very pleased that this is sequel and not a reboot. I've never been too fond of Wolverine's past. I'd be more interested in Wolverine coping with Jean's death. The movie looks very promising.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Trust me, Aronofsky's script was completely thrown out the window.

I doubt he'll get any writing credit.

So don't expect to see anything from the script's R-rated aspects.

I just hope they kept Ogun & The Hand. That'll make me happy.

I agree my belief Is they went back to Christopher Mcquarre draft with adding
a WWII prologue.making It post X-Men trilogy,and beefing up Viper's role from
First draft.

 

[chaseter]

WTF is this news? It's set after X3? Why....WHY

 

[chaseter]

I am very pleased that this is sequel and not a reboot. I've never been too fond of Wolverine's past. I'd be more interested in Wolverine coping with Jean's death. The movie looks very promising.

No...nobody wants a movie about Wolverine sad about Jean's death.

 

[Infinity9999x]

WTF is this news? It's set after X3? Why....WHY

I mean, I don't mind a movie set post X-men...but why is X3 in continuity...since that movie has some MAJOR continuity errors...such as a walking older Prof X who is still friends with Magneto.

 

[chaseter]

I hate, hate how they are trying so hard to connect these crappy films by compounding them with more crap. Just be like First Class and do your own thing. But no...we get this set after X3? They could have really done some awesome stuff with building upon First Class's time line and telling another great part of Wolverine's origin. Dear god my hopes for this movie went down the tubes just now. I'll give it a shot unless it's gawdawful like Origins and the crap smell is wafting from miles away but I really don't think this is going to be splendid like I was hoping when Aranofsky was at the helm. Oh well, bring on First Class 2.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I mean, I don't mind a movie set post X-men...but why is X3 in continuity...since that movie has some MAJOR continuity errors...such as a walking older Prof X who is still friends with Magneto.

They're not major continuity issues.

They're tiny.

Moira McTaggart has less than a minute of screentime. You could easily say she's Rose Byrne's daughter (if you really need to rectify one minute).

The intro at Jean's house can be solved easily by saying Charles was actually Mystique.

All in all, its less than five minutes of screentime that First Class contradicted.

 

[Infinity9999x]

They're not major continuity issues.

They're tiny.

Moira McTaggart has less than a minute of screentime. You could easily say she's Rose Byrne's daughter (if you really need to rectify one minute).

The intro at Jean's house can be solved easily by saying Charles was actually Mystique.

All in all, its less than five minutes of screentime that First Class contradicted.

That would make no sense at all, because if it was mystique that would imply magneto was trying to get to jean before Charles...so how did Charles get her? And why would mystique act as a walking Charles when Charles obviously wouldn't hide the fact he was crippled?

No matter how you swing it, it's a major continuity error.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You people also realize that The Avengers reconned the thor post credits scene so Loki didn't gain control of selvig till the avengers.Star Trek did major reconn with the Borg.

My advice treat the opening scene as reconn that never happened.And reconn Moira as If she Is older.

Very little of the wolverine will connect to other X-Men films.Hell besides a Famke Janssen cameo likely to be dream or hallunication we don't know how much the X-Men will be referenced on screen.This Is still about Wolverine's time In japan.

 

[webhead921]

No...nobody wants a movie about Wolverine sad about Jean's death.

The movie does not have to be about this, it can just be a small element or jumping off point. I would rather have a post x-3 wolverine movie than a prequel. The movie can be a very loose sequel/spinoff, it doesnt have to be a continuation of x-3. I have faith in this, Mangold is a very good director.

 

[webhead921]

I'm not saying it has to strictly follow x-3, but it can be a loose sequel in the same sense as first class is a very loose prequel. I just prefer a wolverine who has had the experience of working with the x-men and xavier going out on his own rather than a movie about wolverine before he met the x-men. Wolverine developed as a character over x-1 and x-2, and they can build on this development in a solo movie instead of just going back before x-1.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm not saying it has to strictly follow x-3, but it can be a loose sequel in the same sense as first class is a very loose prequel. I just prefer a wolverine who has had the experience of working with the x-men and xavier going out on his own rather than a movie about wolverine before he met the x-men. Wolverine developed as a character over x-1 and x-2, and they can build on this development in a solo movie instead of just going back before x-1.

I suppose I'd be okay if they really ignored most of X3, just keep the fact that Jean's dead. But I'd want Prof X still alive, and Cyclops. And honestly, I don't like the fact that they had Wolverine be the one to kill her.

I don't know, I'm not opposed to a post X-men Wolverine in this film, but I'd rather it be a film that just ignores X3.

 

[webhead921]

I'm definitely OK with it ignoring the details of x-3 other than acknowledging that Jean is dead. I just would rather see Jackman's wolverine develop further instead of going back and acting like he did at the beginning of x-1

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm definitely OK with it ignoring the details of x-3 other than acknowledging that Jean is dead. I just would rather see Jackman's wolverine develop further instead of going back and acting like he did at the beginning of x-1

Yeah, I see what you're saying. But honestly, I think a good Wolverine prequel should show us new aspects of the Logan character. Origins SHOULD have shown us Wolverine at his darkest. That was when he was a hardened killer, and he enjoyed it. And then once the operation happens, it brings him closest to a pure beast that he's ever been. Explore the physical and psychological torture they put him through, all of that.

That would have been a new side to Wolverine we never have seen before. But unfortunately, they completely ignored it and gave us a more heroic Wolverine then we saw in the X-men films (sans X3 possibly) and that's just not accurate to who the character is.

So I'd have no problem with a prequel, as long as the prequel really delves into the areas of Wolverin that even the first two X-men films haven't. Really, we've never had a good movie that really explores Logan's struggle with his animalistic nature yet. Hopefully this one can do that.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

That would make no sense at all, because if it was mystique that would imply magneto was trying to get to jean before Charles...so how did Charles get her? And why would mystique act as a walking Charles when Charles obviously wouldn't hide the fact he was crippled?

No matter how you swing it, it's a major continuity error.

Its as easy as Charles was off in Africa or Malaysia & Eric went to her house with Mystique to pick her up. The telepath connection for Jean to lean on was necessary so she took Charles' form. But why rent a wheelchair when she could just walk?

Its miniscule if you don't obsess over it.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

You people also realize that The Avengers reconned the thor post credits scene so Loki didn't gain control of selvig till the avengers.

This.

Nobody remenbered it & nobody cared.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

You people also realize that The Avengers reconned the thor post credits scene so Loki didn't gain control of selvig till the avengers.

What retcon? Avengers only showed Loki inflicting a more overt form of control over Selvig than in Thor, where it seemed more like a subliminal thing.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

What retcon? Avengers only showed Loki inflicting a more overt form of control over Selvig than in Thor, where it seemed more like a subliminal thing.

He was basically possessing Selvig in the post-credit scene & looked facially zombified.

They did away with that completely in Avengers.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The Wolverine being post X3? My interest has peaked.

 

[Doc Ock]

You people also realize that The Avengers reconned the thor post credits scene so Loki didn't gain control of Selvig till the avengers.

I don't see it as a retcon, I see it as Loki using the Tesseract as a gateway to evaluate the surroundings the Tesseract is located in. Dr. Selvig being near the Tesseract which causes Loki to seeing through to Selvig to recon(and possibly sabotage or lie as Selvig about the Tesseract) the area for his eventual arrival. Or something similar. It seems very plausible to me!

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I don't see it as a retcon, I see it as Loki using the Tesseract as a gateway to evaluate the surroundings the Tesseract is located in. Dr. Selvig being near the Tesseract which causes Loki to seeing through to Selvig to recon(and possibly sabotage or lie as Selvig about the Tesseract) the area for his eventual arrival. Or something similar. It seems very plausible to me!

Its a Retcon because Loki needed to tap your heart with the scepter in order to possess you in The Avengers.

Had Loki been the way he was in the Thor post-credits scene he coulda posessed Tony in the end.