The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Rodrigo90]

Bruce should create the Thomas and Wayne Foundation. There he meets young Dick Grayson in one of the orphanages he has funded. Maybe have Mad Hatter as a caretaker and abuses several of the girls,but they cant come forward..

 

[El Payaso]

I wouldn't, but with Gotham's institutions as corrupt and careless as they are it could happen.

The question for me would be, is Bruce Wayne, who has devoted his life to fight corruption, take advantage of corruption in order to adopt Dick?

 

[cin0]

Of course he can be added. The problem is that it most probably ruin the franchise/take it down to a camper level.

But in the end the figure of Robin always adds an unnecessary and camp element to Batman.

Do u not understand that it all depends on how the story is written. the character is only wat the writer makes it out to be. i think johnathan and christopher nolan could make it so that its not campy. introducing dick or even robin doesnt have to change the atmosphere of the story at all.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=1234768

for all yall haters out there.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Let me present this question,to anybody. Would YOU,let Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne adopt a child?

HELL to the no!

 

[Mr. Earle]

Let me present this question,to anybody. Would YOU,let Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne adopt a child?

But when Bruce adopts Dick in the comics he has matured his Wayne persona, from the reckless playboy, to the businessman/philanthropist/playboy. Just because Clooney dates many chicks, it doesnt mean he isnt a serious dude. I am just saying that its about time his Wayne persona progresses to something more than the drunken playboy, so that he could do some charities and help the city in more ways than beating up clowns. As a more serious Bruce Wayne he could inspire the other members of the aristocracy into charities.

The only way to have a normal family is to quit as Batman and actually start a normal family. That in case that for some reason Bruce could feel the need of having a family.

Even Bruce needs a family, even if he doesnt know it. Bruce needs Dick, he only took Jason in even though he wasnt ready for it because he was feeling lonely when Dick left him. Jason now complains that Bruce wanted him to be like Dick instead of accepting him for who he was.

And even in Beyond, where Bruce was bitter and sully after all those years of loneliness, Terry managed to soften him up after some time. In the JLU episode called "Epilogue" Bruce acts almost like a normal parent.

Having an old man as the mother is the opposite of normal.

He wasnt serious about calling Alfred his mother. Its probably like having two dads, but with Bruce being the more masculine and agressive one, you could relegate Alfred to mother status.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Then there is no point in introducing him.

Now, now, to be fair-the fans have thus far been PERFECTLY okay with overhauled origins for Scarecrow & Two-Face, along with Ra's Al Ghul & Henri Ducard being the same person AND a radically revamped Joker. And I don't seem to recall a whole lot of protests over a sewer-dwelling Penguin or a mousy secretary-turned-vinyl-clad-sociopath Catwoman (who doesn't even steal), so I'm not sure we can just summarily dismiss revamps.

 

[COMPO]

to be honest a character like The Batman or BTAS Bruce Wayne would get the kid but Bale's I'm not so sure, maybe if they expanded on the character have him still have some sort of arrogance yet have some maturity making him a more rounded character

 

[Jahu-Momus]

Here's the thing, none and I mean none of the characters are like their comic counterparts. Batman is quite as emo as he is angry, Ras Al Ghul isn't an eco terrorist and the Joker is not a manic psychopath but a cold calculating agent of chaos. Why can't Dick be a 16 year old who never wears the Robin costume and only gets adopted at the end of the movie?

 

[Crook]

I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

 

[batmaluco]

Even Bruce needs a family, even if he doesnt know it. Bruce needs Dick, he only took Jason in even though he wasnt ready for it because he was feeling lonely when Dick left him. Jason now complains that Bruce wanted him to be like Dick instead of accepting him for who he was.

And even in Beyond, where Bruce was bitter and sully after all those years of loneliness, Terry managed to soften him up after some time. In the JLU episode called "Epilogue" Bruce acts almost like a normal parent.

I think that is exactly the reason why the vast majority of Batman fans do not want Robin in this series: the tendency of turning Batman and his stories into cheap soap opera...

 

[Crook]

Most, if not all of Batman's relationships with his supporting cast can be relegated as cheap soap opera. As with all things, it is about execution rather than pure concept.

 

[COMPO]

Racheal didn't turn TDK into a soap opera? :S

 

[Mr. Earle]

Most, if not all of Batman's relationships with his supporting cast can be relegated as cheap soap opera. As with all things, it is about execution rather than pure concept.

Racheal didn't turn TDK into a soap opera? :S

Agreed.

I think that is exactly the reason why the vast majority of Batman fans do not want Robin in this series: the tendency of turning Batman and his stories into cheap soap opera...

As a kid i was mostly fascinated by the costume, the car and the action sequences. Now i am more fascinated by Bruce/Batman as a character and then by all the other things. And apart from him solving riddles and having his morals tested by the joker you cant do much else with Bruce going solo. Que in Robin(s) and the JL and you get great character insights and development and the price to pay is only suspending your disbelief a bit further.

Just read the "JL:Tower of Babel" for a good Batman centered JL story. How else could you have explored that story if Batman is secluded in his own world?

 

[BestGirl]

The question for me would be, is Bruce Wayne, who has devoted his life to fight corruption, take advantage of corruption in order to adopt Dick?

An adoption agency wouldn't have to be corrupt to let Bruce adopt a kid, just careless and possibly a little starstruck.

 

[batmaluco]

Most, if not all of Batman's relationships with his supporting cast can be relegated as cheap soap opera. As with all things, it is about execution rather than pure concept.

Nolan obviously chose the version of Batman as a tragic character rather than a soap opera type, melodramatic character.

Racheal didn't turn TDK into a soap opera? :S

No, but entirely the opposite.

The main elements that define the soap opera are the melodrama and the happy ending.
No matter what kinds of vicissitudes the character will suffer (melodrama), in the end of the story people will have the all expected happy ending.

Rachel, on the other hand, only reinforces the element of Tragedy in Batman.
In Tragedy, contrarily, no matter what kinds of vicissitudes the character will suffer, there is no possibility of happy ending, you know, I'm stating the greatest obviousness when I say that Tragedy is tragic...

Nolan obviously chose the version of Batman as a tragic character rather than a soap opera type, melodramatic character.

As a typical tragic character, Batman does have now a ever growing list of tragic events which defined (in Batman Begins) and then redefined (in TDK) his tragic status:
Thomas and Martha Wayne, then Rachel and Dent.

Without a typical Hollywoodian happy ending, a Tragedy, not a Soap Opera.

 

[batmaluco]

As a kid i was mostly fascinated by the costume, the car and the action sequences. Now i am more fascinated by Bruce/Batman as a character and then by all the other things. And apart from him solving riddles and having his morals tested by the joker you cant do much else with Bruce going solo. Que in Robin(s) and the JL and you get great character insights and development and the price to pay is only suspending your disbelief a bit further.

Becoming a father figure to a kid while dragging him to his instable and dangerous life style it's not a way to develop Batman character as a mature adult.

Having Robin as a family substitute...
Like El Payaso just said: ''The only way to have a normal family is to quit as Batman and actually start a normal family.''

 

[raybia]

Of course he can be added. The problem is that it most probably ruin the franchise/take it down to a camper level.



It's actually 100%.

Yeah I know but I didn't want to take away all hope from the Robin backers.

 

[subzero]

I hate robin and the people who want to see him in the movie, grow up....

 

[Reflex]

Like it's been said time and time again, bringing Robin into the fold would cheese up the franchise. The biggeest draw to Nolan's Batman for me was that this has all been quite real and believable. Having Gotham's vigilante taking a youth under his wing and putting him in harm's way would be ******ed.

If they wanted to introduce other heroes into Batman's world then they should skip ahead a bit and bring in Nightwing (yes it's still technically Robin but he's grown up) but I'd prefer they leave him to fly solo.

 

[Majik1387]

I hate robin and the people who want to see him in the movie, grow up....

No you!

 

[terry78]

All the Robin naysayers remind me of little kids who are like 10 years old and only wanting to play M rated games because they have some weird semblance of maturity when in reality the more mature a game is the more immature the subject matter is. Robin's intro would showcase growth to Wayne's character. He just becomes stagnant if he doesn't change over the course of the franchise.

 

[Crook]

It's also getting increasingly tiring to read entire analyses concluding why Robin will not work, instead of exploring possible scenarios why it could. It seems personal opinion has got in the way of objective critiquing.

I'm all for Robin coming into this franchise, but even so I know the risks that it entails. But really this comes with the territory, any new addition can feasibly muck the balance of things if not handled appropriately. It's just a bit saddening that fans criticize one of the premiere supporting characters of the mythos, despite this fact.

We all know Nolan isn't going to handle Robin, but a large part of me hoped that he grew a change of heart during this process. If only to see the very predictable (non)reactions from those that were completely against the idea in the first place. I've done this dance before though. With Joker and with Two-Face during the TDK hype days. The naysayers never stick around to fully enjoy the humble pie, and if they do, they're so open-minded and apologetic that you feel like an ass for trying to push it in their faces.

So f**k this useless debate. At least the Catwoman thread allows me to look at and discuss sexy wimmens.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Becoming a father figure to a kid while dragging him to his instable and dangerous life style it's not a way to develop Batman character as a mature adult.

I agree. It doesn't even seem like something he would do. One of the things I liked about the dynamic in the much-maligned Batman Forever was Bruce's reluctance to take on a partner; he'd rather quit than drag someone else down the path he's chosen.

Having Robin as a family substitute...
Like El Payaso just said: ''The only way to have a normal family is to quit as Batman and actually start a normal family.''

Which he wouldn't even know how to do. His hope at normalcy ended when Chill pulled the trigger.
My kid said something that really made me laugh;

"SWEAR TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"Yeah, swear to us!"

 

[Mr. Earle]

Having Robin as a family substitute...
Like El Payaso just said: ''The only way to have a normal family is to quit as Batman and actually start a normal family.''

But that's exactly my point. He'll never settle down and that's why he gets this weird batfamily substitute.

If they wanted to introduce other heroes into Batman's world then they should skip ahead a bit and bring in Nightwing (yes it's still technically Robin but he's grown up) but I'd prefer they leave him to fly solo.

1) Robin is not another hero that Batman will team up with. He is his son.
2) Nightwing is a whole different character than Robin. Nightwing isnt Batman's sidekick, Robin is. Dick only took on the NW persona when he left Bruce.
3) How long can Batman fly solo in his airtight world before it becomes stagnant? Some of the best Batman stories are teamup stories.

It's also getting increasingly tiring to read entire analyses concluding why Robin will not work, instead of exploring possible scenarios why it could. It seems personal opinion has got in the way of objective critiquing.

I'm all for Robin coming into this franchise, but even so I know the risks that it entails. But really this comes with the territory, any new addition can feasibly muck the balance of things if not handled appropriately. It's just a bit saddening that fans criticize one of the premiere supporting characters of the mythos, despite this fact.

We all know Nolan isn't going to handle Robin, but a large part of me hoped that he grew a change of heart during this process. If only to see the very predictable (non)reactions from those that were completely against the idea in the first place. I've done this dance before though. With Joker and with Two-Face during the TDK hype days. The naysayers never stick around to fully enjoy the humble pie, and if they do, they're so open-minded and apologetic that you feel like an ass for trying to push it in their faces.

So f**k this useless debate. At least the Catwoman thread allows me to look at and discuss sexy wimmens.

I agree. It doesn't even seem like something he would do. One of the things I liked about the dynamic in the much-maligned Batman Forever was Bruce's reluctance to take on a partner; he'd rather quit than drag someone else down the path he's chosen.

But if i remember correctly Bruce only adopted Dick because he thought he could raise him well and help him deal with his loss the way Alfred did with him. Its Dick that forces him to take him in as a sidekick when he tries to seek vengeance against his parent's killer. In Batman Forever, BTAS, The Batman, Dick forced Bruce to take him in. His circus training comes in handly because it means that Dick has some basic fighting moves and agility when he starts so he can force Batman's hand. (in before realism fans come in to point that circus training =/= martial arts. Gee its a freaking comic book. Dick can at least dodge the attacks)

So you see its not like Bruce adopted Dick with the intention of turning him into a vigilante but Dick chose it and even forced him to do it. Just reset Dick's age at 16 instead of 12 and it will be fine.

 

[DarkKnight FTW]

But that's exactly my point. He'll never settle down and that's why he gets this weird batfamily substitute. 1) Robin is not another hero that Batman will team up with. He is his son.
2) Nightwing is a whole different character than Robin. Nightwing isnt Batman's sidekick, Robin is. Dick only took on the NW persona when he left Bruce.
3) How long can Batman fly solo in his airtight world before it becomes stagnant? Some of the best Batman stories are teamup stories.

But if i remember correctly Bruce only adopted Dick because he thought he could raise him well and help him deal with his loss the way Alfred did with him. Its Dick that forces him to take him in as a sidekick when he tries to seek vengeance against his parent's killer. In Batman Forever, BTAS, The Batman, Dick forced Bruce to take him in. His circus training comes in handly because it means that Dick has some basic fighting moves and agility when he starts so he can force Batman's hand. (in before realism fans come in to point that circus training =/= martial arts. Gee its a freaking comic book. Dick can at least dodge the attacks)

So you see its not like Bruce adopted Dick with the intention of turning him into a vigilante but Dick chose it and even forced him to do it. Just reset Dick's age at 16 instead of 12 and it will be fine.

I agree you have to reset his age to 16, I think its the only way it works in the world that Nolan has used. But I also think that in this world, he wouldn't be Robin until he's at least 18 or at least be Robin to Bruce's Batman. He could always sneak and do it by himself. But at 18, it would force Bruce to team up with him just to protect him. If he doesn't, Dick (with no experience) could more than likely go out, make mistakes, and get himself killed.