The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[El Payaso]

Yes but you complained about sentimentalism, not Robin. And like you said, even without Robin there are scenes like that with other characters.

I'm pretty much sure I said "that kind" of sentimentalism.

 

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I think what would make the fans on both sides of the argument happy is if they put Robin in the next film and gives Batman some more purpose but halfway through the movie he quits or dies and then Batman/Bruce just thinks..."meh".

 

[El Payaso]

I think what would make the fans on both sides of the argument happy is if they put Robin in the next film and gives Batman some more purpose but halfway through the movie he quits or dies and then Batman/Bruce just thinks..."meh".

aka no Robin.

 

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aka no Robin.

Ultimately yeah but at least for the first half the pro Robin fans can see him for a bit.

 

[El Payaso]

Ultimately yeah but at least for the first half the pro Robin fans can see him for a bit.

Fans'll be dissapointed on his death... and the movie ruined by him being there just to dissapear immediately.

 

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Fans'll be dissapointed on his death... and the movie ruined by him being there just to dissapear immediately.

I have a better idea then.

What if halfway through the movie he realizes Batman doesn't necessarily need him so he takes the training Batman gave him and leaves to become Nightwing?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Fans'll be dissapointed on his death... and the movie ruined by him being there just to dissapear immediately.

Agreed. Thats just cheapening the character.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm pretty much sure I said "that kind" of sentimentalism.

Ok, my bad.

I have a better idea then.

What if halfway through the movie he realizes Batman doesn't necessarily need him so he takes the training Batman gave him and leaves to become Nightwing?

Whats' the point then?

 

[weezerspider]

Here's an idea: Lets just let Christopher Nolan do what he wants, which means no Robin. Then, after he leaves, we can argue about Robin!

 

[Figs]

Whats' the point then?

I was joking this whole time. I don't care either way.

 

[Two-Face]

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[Optimus_Prime_]

This is how I feel, and really this is directed as a general statement: If you think Robin has no place in the Batman Universe, no matter what medium, you really don't understand the character at all.

 

[Two-Face]

This is how I feel, and really this is directed as a general statement: If you think Robin has no place in the Batman Universe, no matter what medium, you really don't understand the character at all.

Batman doesn't need Robin especially in Nolan's movies that doesn't mean I don't understand the character.

 

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The only acceptable Robin would be Damian.

 

[Indie]

I'd really love to see Nolan's version of robin, but i feel like batman needs one more movie on his own first. So sad that Nolan's only doing one more film

 

[BH/HHH]

I hope Robin never gets near a Batman movie ever again

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I'd like to see Jason Todd on screen. I've never read the story myself, but his death sounds like something that would take well to film.

 

[ALP]

I love the original three Robins. Shame the audience did not react positively to Jason Todd way back when, but eventually, it was for the good. I only recently finished Death in the Family. The book is brilliant except for the last chapter where the plot with the Joker became incredibly stupid. But as for Robin, I'd love to see him portrayed accurately and with dignity. But it's not going to happen here. I believe Chris Nolan said no to Robin and on top of that, in TDK Batman has just gotten into the swing of things. He definitely is not yet ready for an apprentice. And Nolan is probably wrapping up a trilogy so the chances of seeing Robin soon are none basically.

 

[El Payaso]

This is how I feel, and really this is directed as a general statement: If you think Robin has no place in the Batman Universe, no matter what medium, you really don't understand the character at all.

Nolan thinks Robin has no place in movies. Same as I do.

But I don't mind Robin in comics and cartoons.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Nolan thinks Robin has no place in movies. Same as I do.

But I don't mind Robin in comics and cartoons.

I disagree that Nolan absolutely thinks Robin has no place in film. He says that Robin is too young and if anything, Robin has no place in his vision of the films. I can see Robin working in Nolan's films, but I respect Nolan's decision not use him. For a man who understand Batman, I absolutely believe that Nolan understand how important Robin is to Batman. At the same time, only Batman and Alfred are essential to a good Batman movie series.

And I agree with Optimus Prime about Robin.

 

[ALP]

Agreed. Nolan did not say that Robin should never be in any batman film ever. He was strictly speaking about the films he makes which will more than likely stop at 3. Nolan's films only take place over the course of a year or so since Batman first suited up. TDK takes place right after BB(a few months at most) and the next one will probably be the same time gap. That is simply not enough time for Batman to become a fully formed character and then take up an apprentice.

If Nolan were doing a massive number of Batman films, like two trilogies instead of one, then I could certainly imagine he would find a place for a character like Robin. But as we have it, Nolan's films do not run over the course of several years once he's in the suit(which is about half way through Begins).

 

[El Payaso]

Nolan wouldn't say that with those words. he knows that it would offend some fans.

But the fact is that if he can make Duacrd Ra's, if he can introduce a new character that's vital to the hero's story like Rachel, if he can have Two-Face's origin attached to the Joker and not Maroni and dying in the first film, he could have had Robin.

But he did not.

Nolan doesn't think Robin belongs to his take on Batman the same he has said Superman and Batman don't live in the same universe.

Also, Batman was ready to have a replacement (Harvey) in TDK, so if Nolan wanted Batman could have been ready to have an apprentice.

If some of you can see Robin working in Nolan movies, okay, But Nolan doesn't.

 

[ALP]

Here are Nolan's own words from 2005 shortly after Begins,

"This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan."

There is also a similar article on IGN where Nolan says he would not use Robin because he would never get the chance...his films are only about Batman's beginnings. That's a big difference from working in a timeframe where Robin won't get a chance to be utilized and refusing to flat out never use the character at any point.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/88967-nolan-on-robin-in-batman-sequels

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Exactly I don't believe Nolan hates the character at all.

And Robin can work if Nolan wants it to work. But like I said Nolan's working on solo Batman for now and I completely respect that because its his vision and he should use whatever characters he wants to use. He doesn't hate the character, he just doesn't see him as necessary for the story he wants to tell.

I just don't get why people are saying that Robin can never work on film.

 

[El Payaso]

Here are Nolan's own words from 2005 shortly after Begins,

"This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan."

There is also a similar article on IGN where Nolan says he would not use Robin because he would never get the chance...his films are only about Batman's beginnings. That's a big difference from working in a timeframe where Robin won't get a chance to be utilized and refusing to flat out never use the character at any point.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/88967-nolan-on-robin-in-batman-sequels

The only reason why Robin "won't get a chance to be utilized" is because Nolan refused to do so.

It has nothing to do with timeframes, because otherwise Sacrecrow shouldn't have been there first than Joker and Catwoman.

And then again Rachel Dawes is an unexistant character.

Robin could have been easily introduced. Or at least Dick Grayson. But Nolan doesn't think it's a good idea.

Exactly I don't believe Nolan hates the character at all.

Of course he doesn't. He just knows where the character works and where he doesn't.

And Robin can work if Nolan wants it to work.

And the point is, he doesn't want.

But like I said Nolan's working on solo Batman for now and I completely respect that because its his vision and he should use whatever characters he wants to use.

"For now" is 'as long as he's directing.' If Nolan were to direct six movies, no matter what timeframe that would be, Robin wouldn't be there.

He doesn't hate the character, he just doesn't see him as necessary for the story he wants to tell.

That is a dark and serious story.

I just don't get why people are saying that Robin can never work on film.

One, because it has never worked and two because the character adds some elements that are contradictory to the dark lonely gritty nature of Batman.