The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Keyser Sushi]

Whats to understand? Bruce gave a Nine year old orphan a home, and then he trained this said 9 year old to fight dangerous criminals rapists,muggers,drugdealers,ganglords,pedophiles, and lets not forget crazed clowns. Yep whats not to understand, Bruce is a maniac who uses kids on his crusade for justice. Even after his second "Robin" died, he stil decided to train yet another 12 on his crusade. Batman may possible be they dumbiest character in comics, next ot all the othe other heroes with teen sidekicks ofcourse [Green arrow,Flash etc]. No wonder why superman didn't respect him when they first met.

Each and every one of those characters had to earn the right to be Robin. Batman did not want to have them out there fighting crime with him. But each of them proved their worthiness. Tim Drake's arc, of becoming Robin, was really quite good, because with Jason's death on his conscience, Bruce was dead set against letting Tim join his crusade.

The first time Tim put the Robin suit on, it was the OLD suit, and he STOLE it out of the Batcave. Alfred and Dick helped him, behind Bruce's back. And when Bruce caught him, he was PISSED.

Only when Bruce realized he couldn't stop Tim, did he do the next best thing. He sent Tim to Europe and had him meet one of Bruce's old mentors. If he can't stop him from wanting this lifestyle, then he can at least prepare him for it. That acceptance also came with the new Robin suit (designed by Neal Adams).

"Dick made that suit a symbol. Jason died wearing it. That's a burden you shouldn't have to bear."

 

[Mike_D202]

And I surely wouldn't like to see Batman forgetting his inner demon and turning into a loving father and a new sweet sense of life and stuff that Batman is not supposed to be.

umm...Bruce is FAR from a loving father figure. In fact he feels sorry for the kid because, in turn, hes seeing himself. So I'll have to agree with the poster above: You definately dont understand the dynamic between Batman and Robin.

 

[El Payaso]

umm...Bruce is FAR from a loving father figure. In fact he feels sorry for the kid because, in turn, hes seeing himself. So I'll have to agree with the poster above: You definately dont understand the dynamic between Batman and Robin.

You described a relationship where the man sees himself in the kid and tries to make him an improved extension of himself so he could change "the anger and sadness into something else." Loving father qualifies for that.

You definitely don't understand the dynamic of your own.

 

[COMPO]

The thing is that Nolan stated he doesn't want to work with Robin. SO your first line should be 'I dont know why Nolan doesn't like the idea of Dick Grayson.'

Yeah. I'm sick off that. It's not he doesn't want to use robin it's just:

"The studio wasn't interested in Robin. We weren't either. This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan.

That is the only reason that Nolan wasn't iterested in Robin. Because it was a young batman. Plus, he also said about bring robin in and not making it campy:l

Let me try a philosophical way of asking: Could Robin be introduced without dumbing down the series?

CN: "Possibly, but I can’t really talk about specifics."

 

[El Payaso]

Of course Nolan doesn't want to be disrespectful and his explanation does make sense.

But if Nolan wanted he could introduce Robin right now. Don't fool ourselves.

 

[COMPO]

how doesn't it make sense?

 

[Eros]

Each and every one of those characters had to earn the right to be Robin. Batman did not want to have them out there fighting crime with him. But each of them proved their worthiness. Tim Drake's arc, of becoming Robin, was really quite good, because with Jason's death on his conscience, Bruce was dead set against letting Tim join his crusade.

The first time Tim put the Robin suit on, it was the OLD suit, and he STOLE it out of the Batcave. Alfred and Dick helped him, behind Bruce's back. And when Bruce caught him, he was PISSED.

Only when Bruce realized he couldn't stop Tim, did he do the next best thing. He sent Tim to Europe and had him meet one of Bruce's old mentors. If he can't stop him from wanting this lifestyle, then he can at least prepare him for it. That acceptance also came with the new Robin suit (designed by Neal Adams).

"Dick made that suit a symbol. Jason died wearing it. That's a burden you shouldn't have to bear."

If batman wanted to stop Drake from being robin, im pretty sure he could have done it in a day. I like the Robins, but i damn sure dun understand the mindset of Bruce Wayne. Jason todd died, it effected him, you would think he would never take that chance again. He did, and guess what he allowed another 12 year old to become Robin. It was for laughs in the silver-age of comics, because most silver-age batman stories before the gothic 70s era lacked any kind of sense. Even in a comic book, i find it mind boggling that Wayne would keep getting young teens[or pre-teens] to help him fight crime...its just freaking odd. This guy is suppose to have this code, about not killing his enemies in cold blood, but his "hero code" says nothing about endangering the lives of under-aged kids .

So it not only makes batman look like a complete idiot,irresponsible guardian, but he also comes off as a hypocrite. He came down hard on Wonderwoman for killing, yet Batmans the one that trains kids to send them to their pontential deaths fighting crime buy his side.

 

[COMPO]

but, the trained they won't get hurt will they?

 

[raybia]

but, the trained they won't get hurt will they?

All those Americans dying in Iraq? They were trained by the best Military in the world.

 

[Eros]

but, the trained they won't get hurt will they?

Your logic is very flawed.

 

[COMPO]

what i mean is that you know if he's stealthy like batman. He'll knocking a lot of them out and then taking out teh weaker ones not really getting into any harm. Besides, his training with Bruce would be even more harmful, i can't see him going easy on him.

 

[Eros]

what i mean is that you know if he's stealthy like batman. He'll knocking a lot of them out and then taking out teh weaker ones not really getting into any harm. Besides, his training with Bruce would be even more harmful, i can't see him going easy on him.

your logic is still flawed friend. Bruce trains him, he does not fire automatic weapons at him, he doesn't try and kill or possibly rape him. He doesn't toture he with knives, or tie him up and beat him until someone arrives to save him. .

 

[Katsuro]

The point is, Robin is more likely to survive trained by Batman and working with him, then not trained by Batman and seeking revenge on his own.

 

[Tojo]

but, the trained they won't get hurt will they?

Bruce trained for what, 10 years? 15 years?

But now he expects to train 12-15 yr old kid to enter the same battlefield with about a 3rd of his experience. Absolute rubbish, and this is a very big factor why Robin cannot work in a serious live action film.

I don't believe Bruce should ever be so irresponsible.

 

[Tojo]

The point is, Robin is more likely to survive trained by Batman and working with him, then not trained by Batman and seeking revenge on his own.

Yeah, this is a very good point.

 

[Tojo]

You think wrong. Batman took on Robin in his late twenties.

I always disliked this, taking on a side kick within 3 years of starting this gig.

I would have had an ageing Batman start looking around for a partner when he realises he may not win this war, that he's getting on and needs an heir to the throne

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Bruce trained for what, 10 years? 15 years?

But now he expects to train 12-15 yr old kid to enter the same battlefield with about a 3rd of his experience. Absolute rubbish, and this is a very big factor why Robin cannot work in a serious live action film.

I don't believe Bruce should ever be so irresponsible.

The only reason Dick Grayson was ever physically able to be Robin in the first place is because he was a circus acrobat who risked his life every night in the show. He was alread athletic and acrobatic and had nerves of steel.

Jason Todd, pre-crisis, was a Dick Grayson clone. Jason post-crisis was a street-punk who had a lot of tough in him but didn't have a lot of sense, and, well, he ended up dying because he wasn't really ready.

Tim Drake should have trained a lot more than he did in the comics, and that's a fact. In theory if he's hanging out with Batman he's got one mentor who can teach him what it would otherwise take dozens of men to teach. But Tim barely hangs out with Batman, so that doesn't really play, either.

That's called "convenient forgetfulness" on the part of the writers. They're hoping it extends to the readers...

 

[StorminNorman]

I always disliked this, taking on a side kick within 3 years of starting this gig.

I would have had an ageing Batman start looking around for a partner when he realises he may not win this war, that he's getting on and needs an heir to the throne

That is a horrible idea very uncharacteristic of Batman. He would never want someone else to share his life. It is, after all, his goal of not being a needed hero.

 

[Eros]

That is a horrible idea very uncharacteristic of Batman. He would never want someone else to share his life. It is, after all, his goal of not being a needed hero.

^Bruce has let each of the Robins "share" his life.

 

[Tojo]

That is a horrible idea very uncharacteristic of Batman. He would never want someone else to share his life. It is, after all, his goal of not being a needed hero.

umm what? It's not about finding someone to share his life with, how did you get that from what i wrote? Try reading properly before posting, it really really helps.

I said that Batman may come to a point where he realises he will not be able to do this job forever, and that his war on crime is not going to be won anytime soon-therefore he needs to find another person who will help him and eventually take over if the need arises. Like training a padawan.

 

[Saint]

What StorminNorman means is that Batman doesn't want Dick to have the life he himself has. He doesn't want Dick to become Batman, because that's a terrible burden. No father wishes that sort of pain and suffering on his son.

Dick became Robin against Batman's wishes, but Batman ultimately allowed it because it was necessary. Dick needed an outlet for all the anger and frustration that stemmed from his parents death, otherwise he would have self-destructed. Furthermore, Batman allowed Dick to maintain the brightly coloured, lighter, Robin persona--instead of one more closely aligned to the Batman persona--because, as I said, he didn't want Dick to end up like himself. He didn't want the darkness to swallow Dick up, too. Bruce wanted to lead Dick in such a way that he would still fight for "the mission" but would benefit from Bruce's experience on the matter, and thus not end up the way Bruce did--alone and miserable.

And it worked. That's why when Dick became Nightwing, he wasn't just a "Batman Junior." Bruce didn't build him that way. He let Dick become his own man.

This works fine for the movie--it's just a matter of making Robin a few years older (sixteen, perhaps) and using him as support/recon for Batman, so he would only enter combat situations against Batman's wishes, or not at all.

 

[Eros]

What StorminNorman means is that Batman doesn't want Dick to have the life he himself has. He doesn't want Dick to become Batman, because that's a terrible burden. No father wishes that sort of pain and suffering on his son.

Dick became Robin against Batman's wishes, but Batman ultimately allowed it because it was necessary. Dick needed an outlet for all the anger and frustration that stemmed from his parents death, otherwise he would have self-destructed. Furthermore, Batman allowed Dick to maintain the brightly coloured, lighter, Robin persona--instead of one more closely aligned to the Batman persona--because, as I said, he didn't want Dick to end up like himself. He didn't want the darkness to swallow Dick up, too. Bruce wanted to lead Dick in such a way that he would still fight for "the mission" but would benefit from Bruce's experience on the matter, and thus not end up the way Bruce did--alone and miserable.

And it worked. That's why when Dick became Nightwing, he wasn't just a "Batman Junior." Bruce didn't build him that way. He let Dick become his own man.

This works fine for the movie--it's just a matter of making Robin a few years older (sixteen, perhaps) and using him as support/recon for Batman, so he would only enter combat situations against Batman's wishes, or not at all.

None of what you said excuse Bruce Wayne from letting kids fight crime.

 

[Saint]

I don't really care if it excuses him or not. He doesn't need to be excused. He trained a boy who was so exceptionally skilled that he could fight grown men, and that's that. If Robin had not been skilled enough, Batman would not have allowed him to fight crime.

Furthermore, your point is irrelevant because I pointed out rather clearly that--in the film--Batman shouldn't allow Dick to enter combat situations; Dick would only do it against Batman's wishes, or not at all.

 

[Eros]

I don't really care if it excuses him or not. He doesn't need to be excused. He trained a boy who was so exceptionally skilled that he could fight grown men, and that's that. If Robin had not been skilled enough, Batman would not have allowed him to fight crime.

Furthermore, your point is irrelevant because I pointed out rather clearly that--in the film--Batman shouldn't allow Dick to enter combat situations; Dick would only do it against Batman's wishes, or not at all.

so want Dick to be like he was in Batman forever [which i liked by the way]?

 

[Saint]

so want Dick to be like he was in Batman forever [which i liked by the way]?

No, I don't want him to be like he was in Batman Forever because Batman Forever was a campy piece of crap. I want him to be like he is in the comics, with the exception that his duties should be support and recon instead of combat.