The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Texas Zombie]

His muscle mass must be very high to even inflict damage on an adult.

Must know wrestling, boxing, grappling, Ju jitsu, and all other forms including brawling and unconditional fighting styles.

When I was twelve I could bench 130 and weighed 120, but I could have never took my dad on in a fight, and I knew wrestling(4 time state champ youth), boxing ( kick did it when I was 10-11), a little submission (like 6 submissions), and some grappling, but my father who was a wrestler in high school won state and stuff(NY) and was in the military had muscle on me even in a wrestling match, or boxing or MMA. I weighed 120 he weighed 180 and he killed me.

A martial artist 12 year old who can take on multiple men with a history of violence maybe with guns and weapons.

P.S. Did anyone think that when batman was being beat with that pole of jason todd.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea it deffinatly was a nod to "a death in the family". i think if robin was to be used they should have him as nightwing instead. like a really angry teenager who goes round starting fights with everyone, then bruce takes him under his wing and tries to channel his anger in a good way. but personally i wouldn't want to see that in Nolans Bat-verse.

 

[Texas Zombie]

yea it deffinatly was a nod to "a death in the family". i think if robin was to be used they should have him as nightwing instead. like a really angry teenager who goes round starting fights with everyone, then bruce takes him under his wing and tries to channel his anger in a good way. but personally i wouldn't want to see that in Nolans Bat-verse.

They made that movie already it's called " Never Back Down"
lol

 

[Charlatan]

If Robin is added that would take care of Bruce Wayne's love interest. C'mon adding Robin is not going to happen... there is zero need for him... these movies have been flowing with the precision... adding Robin would bring it to a complete halt.

 

[metr0man]

Nolan's unfortunate problem is easily rectified: somebody convinces him, he reads some comics, bam, he's a convert. It would certainly be nice; Nolan is the guy to show the Robin haters what the rest of us see, and I would kill for a well-done Robin on film. Moreover, it's thematically perfect for where TDK left Batman. You could not have a better set-up.

Guess what? he's already read those comics.

Dark Victory is often cited, but Nolan has already read it, and in fact I believe directly mentioned it, and hey, he still wasn't on the Robin bandwagon. Try again.

 

[zenith16]

that was done by a reporters which I'm not even sure really met nolan now. and with the way he's been talking it's obvious those reports on him reading dark victory are false. so I don't care about hearing about those damn reports on dark victory any more.
Just up date him with something more resent and accessible I mean easy to pick up at the damn stores. damn the only thing I've seen him say when he started on tv was both frank millers and what every other stuff on bob cain he can get or find. I've only seen dark victory talked about here mostly. and seeing I saw it from his lips on screen interviews I'm more likely to take that as what he really read then some report from some unknown mag or news site that has iffy reports on if they really talked to the man.

 

[Saint]

Guess what? he's already read those comics.

Dark Victory is often cited, but Nolan has already read it, and in fact I believe directly mentioned it, and hey, he still wasn't on the Robin bandwagon. Try again.

I'm aware he's read Dark Victory. Fortunately, Dark Victory is not the only comic to effectively portray Robin, so my statement stands.

 

[Saint]

While I'll refrain from making any Raimi/SM3/Venom comparisons here, I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. I get the sense that Nolan already despises the very concept of Robin, and no amount of reading the source material is really ever gonna diminish the hesitance on that idea.

His heart wouldn't be in it.

You'd be surprised how much one's perspective can change. I strongly disliked the Hulk for a long time, and now I list the Hulk as one of my favourite characters of all time. Things change.

 

[Crook]

Well I'd say the ease of transition heavily depends on whether the dislike stems from ignorance or just plain distaste.

 

[COMPO]

well, low level crooks I think Batman would let him fight because they aren't as dangerous as someone as the Joker or Two-Face. But come on isnt this Batman I mean he'd know if someone was ready to help him. And isn't Robin an ex-acrobat so wouldn't he be quicker and more agile than any thug on the street so he'd be able to dodge their attacks and stay safe. Plus, this could cause someone friction between Bats and Robin. Batman lets him fight but he's still protective so even though Robin can take on like 5 thugs Batman will always knock out three to balance the numbers.

 

[JackBauer]

They could always borrow from Tim Drake and have Grayson use a bo staff. Definitely helps keep the suspension of disbelief.

 

[Katsuro]

They could always borrow from Tim Drake and have Grayson use a bo staff. Definitely helps keep the suspension of disbelief.

That's definatley what I'd do.

 

[I Am The Knight]

They could always borrow from Tim Drake and have Grayson use a bo staff. Definitely helps keep the suspension of disbelief.

Very true.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i've never really liked Robin as such, but i like nightwing.

 

[zenith16]

well, low level crooks I think Batman would let him fight because they aren't as dangerous as someone as the Joker or Two-Face. But come on isnt this Batman I mean he'd know if someone was ready to help him. And isn't Robin an ex-acrobat so wouldn't he be quicker and more agile than any thug on the street so he'd be able to dodge their attacks and stay safe. Plus, this could cause someone friction between Bats and Robin. Batman lets him fight but he's still protective so even though Robin can take on like 5 thugs Batman will always knock out three to balance the numbers.

there was this video I think I have from hyperspace that is another story or look at the batman year one period or one of the comic's that recently followed the same story during this decade of 2000's. where they said that normal criminal's were afraid of the batman cause of superstitious reasons, But when guys like the scare crow and joker came about they represented the bat going boo and those guy saying boo back to bat man. As some one else said Robin represents the unseen threat.(robin wasn't in that issue BTW ) the kind you don't Expect coming and the joker, scare crow and other's represent the guy's that aren't afraid of the batman cause their ether too insane or are just to f'ed up to give a damn cause they them selves are freaking scary and they know it. unlike normal crooks Damn I have to find that video. or when i see it i'll put up the title issue and writer who said it.

 

[wellsy]

While I'll refrain from making any Raimi/SM3/Venom comparisons here, I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. I get the sense that Nolan already despises the very concept of Robin, and no amount of reading the source material is really ever gonna diminish the hesitance on that idea.

His heart wouldn't be in it.

I don't think Nolan so much despises the idea of Robin as is uncertain of how to handle it. Not only is he setting up the early portion of Bruce's career as Batman (and has stated that "Robin is in a crib somwhere"), but he seems a bit stumped by the character. I just don't think he'd know how to handle it, in which case, I'd rather be patient, let Nolan do what he wants for BB3, and let someone else take over who is more comfortable with the character of Robin.

I mean, we've seen the character done poorly. Perhaps it's time he was given a proper chance.

 

[Ley]

I agree with many of you who believe that introducing Robin in the third film would be a mistake. That being said, Nolan's Gotham City is teeming with realistic villains and mobsters, and we have already seen both Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni in the first two films. Even if he doesn’t kill Dick Grayson’s parents, it is entirely possible that the next film will feature Tony Zucco. To satisfy fans of the Robin character, the next film could end with Batman adopting Dick Grayson, who is destined to become (arguably) his truest successor. To me, this seems like a very fitting way to end the trilogy. However, at no point in the film do I want to see Robin in his costume, fighting crime alongside Batman—save that for the comics!

 

[Nepenthes]

Dark Victory is hardly the best Robin story, it's actually pretty lame. A nine year old solves puzzles Batman cannot, then Loeb rushes through a quick stage of perfunctory angst and then Robin just suddenly appears in the batcave fighting Two-Face and Joker, of all people. There's hardly any development or reasoning for having him around. I'd put ASBR, Robin a Hero Reborn (Tim Drake introduction and his globetrotting miniseries) and the issue where Jason becomes Robin and they talk about the weight of the legacy. Those are better than Dark Victory.

You'd be surprised how much one's perspective can change. I strongly disliked the Hulk for a long time, and now I list the Hulk as one of my favourite characters of all time. Things change.

did you read Hulk Grey?

They could always borrow from Tim Drake and have Grayson use a bo staff. Definitely helps keep the suspension of disbelief.

True. I'd have him use a whole range of weapons, constantly improvising with found objects and more smoke pellets and batarangs than batman does. Also at one stage he has to do beat down someone with a crowbar.

I've always thought Dick Grayson should come from a more modern type of multi-disciplinary circus. His main thing is acrobatics, but he also does motor bike stunt-riding, knife throwing, weapons combat demonstrations, Houdini escapes, and he's been training since he could barely walk. It's realistic because carnival gypsy people are freaks and it would just make him pretty bad arse, he's already been training longer than Bruce Wayne ever did.

 

[Timstuff]

Dick Grayson will not be in Batman 3 because Nolan does not like Robin. Bruce Wayne can't adopt a kid because that means he is ready to stop being lonely, which would be like Spider-Man having the perfect life, or Bruce Banner being able to control his Hulk problem perfectly. When you write a story around a character's problems, it becomes much harder to write a compelling story around them once that problem is gone.

The reason that in Batman the comics they had to kill of Jason Todd, was because the writers recognized that there was a need to alienate Batman from a healthy social life again. The trauma of Jason's death replaced the trauma of Bruce losing his parents, which tends to get forgotten when you lighten Batman up with Robin's presence.

A good comic movie finds the essentials of a character, and strips away all the jargon, baggage, and years of convoluted sub plots surrounding them. By leaving Robin out of the story, you can keep Batman as the dark and lonely character he is supposed to be, without killing off new characters to refuel his angst. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so I say it's better to not leave Robin out than to bring him in and have to worry about how to make Batman dark again later.

 

[Nepenthes]

Dick Grayson will not be in Batman 3 because Nolan does not like Robin. Bruce Wayne can't adopt a kid because that means he is ready to stop being lonely, which would be like Spider-Man having the perfect life, or Bruce Banner being able to control his Hulk problem perfectly. When you write a story around a character's problems, it becomes much harder to write a compelling story around them once that problem is gone.

Nolan also said he wouldn't be doing a sequel once upon a time.

I see your point on loneliness but who knows where BatmanIII can go. There needs to be some kind of arc, batman at the beginning of the movie can't be the same as he is in the end, and that might include dealing with his emotional isolation. And fact is Nolan is already approaching the ideas of sidekicks with the vigilantes, along with the fact Batman obviously needs help (like from Chinese smugglers he doesn't even know). Nolan is not a dummy, with the help of geeks Jonah Nolan and Goyer he would be able to see the logic and value in Robin quite readily, it's just up until now he hasn't had any reason to even think about it. Until he starts spending time on it of course Robin would seem a little silly.

The reason that in Batman the comics they had to kill of Jason Todd, was because the writers recognized that there was a need to alienate Batman from a healthy social life again. The trauma of Jason's death replaced the trauma of Bruce losing his parents, which tends to get forgotten when you lighten Batman up with Robin's presence.

Not true. I have the Death in the Family intro where Denny O'Neil spells out the exact reasons why they did it. He emphasizes it was the readers decision and not the editorial, the outcome took them by surprise, and selecting Jason for the phone poll experiment was just a logical decision made outside of any ill will towards the character. I'll get the scans up this afternoon

A good comic movie finds the essentials of a character, and strips away all the jargon, baggage, and years of convoluted sub plots surrounding them. By leaving Robin out of the story, you can keep Batman as the dark and lonely character he is supposed to be, without killing off new characters to refuel his angst. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so I say it's better to not leave Robin out than to bring him in and have to worry about how to make Batman dark again later.

Robin makes batman darker by way of contrast as well as illumination on Batmans deeper character, which is of course essentially dark no matter what. They're two dark and lonely guys together, keeping each other sane. One of them wears bright colours because one of them simply has to.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I really don't think that there will be a Robin character in any of Nolan's films, i think i read somewhere on IGN that there are talks about Nolan and Bale not even returning for a 3rd if theres a Robin character or something like that.

I'd really love to see Dick Grayson, maybe in his late teens or early 20's possibly helping out Bruce Wayne or something like that, maybe Dick Grayson replaces Mr. Reese or something like that.

I'd really just love to see Dick Grayson, and maybe he becomes Nightwing, or just stays as Dick Grayson, anyway it'd still be cool to have him in this successful franchise.

 

[elgato]

Robin is not happenning, Nolan doesn't like the Penguin, but if WB pushes him he will use it, but that will not happen with Robin, Nolan won't direct a 3rd film if he has to use Robin

 

[DCnightwing23]

Yeah exactly elgato, and i really think that Robin is somewhat overrated, and in other ways isnt.

But I mean WB forcing Nolan to put in a character that could possibly make the franchise crash once again would be a mistake.

But I'd really love to see Dick Grayson, maybe in his late teens or early 20's possibly helping out Bruce Wayne or something like that, maybe Dick Grayson replaces Mr. Reese or something like that.

I'd really just love to see Dick Grayson, and maybe he becomes Nightwing, or just stays as Dick Grayson, anyway it'd still be cool to have him in this successful franchise.
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[Batman137]

Hey look its the so called ninja ^^

 

[Saint]

Dick Grayson will not be in Batman 3 because Nolan does not like Robin. Bruce Wayne can't adopt a kid because that means he is ready to stop being lonely, which would be like Spider-Man having the perfect life, or Bruce Banner being able to control his Hulk problem perfectly.

No. Having Dick around doesn't make Bruce ready to "stop being lonely," by the same token that having Alfred around doesn't do that. Dick's presence certainly advances Bruce's character, but not to completion. Conveniently, I already have another post that explains this in considerable detail: here.

The reason that in Batman the comics they had to kill of Jason Todd, was because the writers recognized that there was a need to alienate Batman from a healthy social life again.

No. The reason they killed off Jason Todd was because the fanbase hated him, by virtue of the fact that he was different from Dick Grayson in ways people didn't like. So, responding to this, DC allowed the fans to vote on whether he would live or die. It was Jason Todd they didn't like, not Robin.

The trauma of Jason's death replaced the trauma of Bruce losing his parents, which tends to get forgotten when you lighten Batman up with Robin's presence.

Forgotten if the writers are idiots, sure.

A good comic movie finds the essentials

Yes: essentials like Robin.

By leaving Robin out of the story, you can keep Batman as the dark and lonely character he is supposed to be, without killing off new characters to refuel his angst. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so I say it's better to not leave Robin out than to bring him in and have to worry about how to make Batman dark again later.

So your vote is for stagnation? The point of fiction is to take your character from point A to point B to point C. Having him at point A all the time is boring and stupid. The reason Batman swings back and forth between being moderately dark and completely dark in the comics is because change is required to make him interesting. Robin, like every character, exists to create conflicts as a vehicle for progression in the character. The progression Robin initiates is critical to Batman.

One final note: as suggested in the post I linked, Robin does not make Batman complete. He moves him closer to that, but the job isn't done. However, let's pretend that Robin does make Batman complete, effectively making him whole and ending his character arc. Your argument is that Robin can't be in Batman 3 for this reason.

But why do we not want Batman to be complete at the end of film 3? The downside of the comics is that they can't end, so Batman can't be whole (until, maybe, the day they kill him and replace him with Dick). These films have no such disadvantage. Nolan, who is almost certainly not going to do a fourth film, should take advantage of this, and end the story. Make Batman complete. I don't mean kill him or anything, but bring the emotional story to it's conclusion, where Batman becomes whole. If Nolan doesn't come back for a fourth film, it's not like the next films will be set in his world anyway, so the next director can start over.