The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Ixion]

How about this argument.

The third film CAN work well WITHOUT robin...even if the possiblity of a good film with robin exist.



If it can work WITHOUT robin, then there is no real need to add robin.

Nolan and co could probably make a good Batman film that works without any of Batman's rogues, I'm sure they could find a way to do the third film without the Riddler, Catwoman, Scarecrow, Penguin, Two-Face, Mr Freeze, Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, Bane etc. They could come up with a brand new villain never seen before in the comics, does that mean they should just because a possibility of a good Batman film without his rogues exists?

If they want to develop the Batman/Bruce Wayne character and progress the universe that they are adapting (not creating) they should cover all the major elements of that universe.

 

[returntovoid]

If they want to develop the Batman/Bruce Wayne character and progress the universe that they are adapting (not creating) they should cover all the major elements of that universe.

I think they should introduce Thomas Elliot and Dr. Leslie Thompkins, so Nolan can explore more about Bruce Wayne/Batman's past.

 

[Nathan]

I think it's way too early for Robin to be introduced. I mean, come on, Wayne Manor wasn't even re-build in the 2nd Movie. And unless several years pass, I doubt he shouldn't worry about a side-kick right now.

Let Batman get his act together, not be hunted by the police anymore, then maybe when a 4th Movie gets made start to think about Robin's place in the them.

 

[Movies205]

People really don't understand Batman if they don't think Robin is necessary. Also there not really comic book fans either. Robin is so neccesary to the mythos of Batman but what people don't understand is Robin is NOT BATMAN'S PARTNER. Hell, he's a goddamn side kick which means he's up on roof-tops doing survelance or in the car. Bruce takes in Robin because of his own sad story and considering the way the whole Rachel plot went down it makes perfect sense. And also if anyone here watches kung-fu flicks, its not that far a stretch to see kids doing martial arts and it being done believably.

 

[zenith16]

How many years has Batman been solo before he got a side-kick? I honestly don't know much about the comics.

In TDK I think he has been a little over a year active. Adding Robin now in a 3rd movie seems a bit too fast to me. Maybe after Batman has been 5 years active in Gotham, I could see him having a side-kick. Seems just like a good time to me. But after 2-3 years? That just seems rushed.

Batman went on nearly two year's with out a partner and at the end of the second year he picked him up. it was shown in both year two of batman and the do over of it called the long Halloween it was also where two face got Established as a villain as well. and the reason given on batman not scaring guys like the joker , two face, scare crow and others cause as of what I said a few posts in here. their ether too insane or F up to care. and the growing numbers problem of villains like them. only petty criminals and mob goons are afraid of bat man in the superstitious way it's usually talked about. their not.

as I said there is a video onthe guy that did the long holloween explaining that. but i can't seem to find it right now when I do I'll put it up here.

 

[The Avatar]

Lucious Fox and Alfred would not allow Bruce to put a child in harms way.

 

[zenith16]

Lucious Fox and Alfred would not allow Bruce to put a child in harms way.

who said they would and it's been shown in many incarnations that Bruce didn't want him in harms way, but hey you know teens or any one young they disobey and some times they have to learn things on their own. kinda like what the actor that plays Alfred said in "the dark knight unmasked" for this movie the dark knight. that he'd(Alfred) would rather bruce not run around in bat costumes and get him self hurt or worse killed cause he see's him as his own son in a way. but he can't seem to stop him from doing that. so...............

 

[The Avatar]

who said they would and it's been shown in many incarnations that Bruce didn't want him in harms way, but hey you know teens or any one young they disobey and some times they have to learn things on their own. kinda like what the actor that plays Alfred said in "the dark knight unmasked" for this movie the dark knight. that he'd(Alfred) would rather bruce not run around in bat costumes and get him self hurt or worse killed cause he see's him as his own son in a way. but he can't seem to stop him from doing that. so...............

1. Lucious Fox is the one who provides the suit. He would not in sound mind provide a teenager with a suit if it meant they would be fighting gun-toting mobsters and pyschopaths.

2. Alfred may not wish to stop Bruce, but then again Bruce is an adult who is old enough to make his own decisions. Robin is a teen.

so.....

 

[Nepenthes]

Lucious Fox and Alfred would not allow Bruce to put a child in harms way.

Simple. Make him 18, the same age we send kids to wars. Purists will complain but it's something that has to be done, for several reasons. Anyone who says 18 is too old to have a mentor or father figure needs to back away from their computer and look at real life. and remember this is the batman we're talking about, he's badarse no matter how old you are. Also 18 year olds today are like 15 years from ten years ago, still pretty much babies in an adult world. and you can make him a young and boyish 18

for instance would you believe THIS guy is 18? He's playing Tintin, Thomas Sangster. get someone like him for Robin.

 

[zenith16]

Simple. Make him 18. the same age we send kids to wars. Purists will complain but it's something that has to be done. Anyone who says 18 is too old to have a mentor or father figure needs to back away from their computer. and remember this is the batman we're talking about, he's badarse no matter how old you are. Also 18 years old today are like 15 years ten years ago, and you can make him young and boyish 18

Not to mention they(WB) already showed a guy like Tory from small ville clarks rival over lana joining the army and getting killed and he was still a high schooler. and not even near 18 at all. And the fact that there are some people almost nearly in that situation and for some reason it's looked over alot cause it's the military.(blech) Anyway besides that we know Bruce knows how to make that gear himself. or will eventually learn to. And Lucious Fox was originally supposed to handle the business side of the Wayne Enterprises any way. so it can be bypassed there. After all Bruce managed to stop himself from being sent to social serveses and go traveling the world in the movie to find out how the criminal mind works be for he went ninja training. and Alfred and Lucious Fox couldn't stop him then and bruce was a kid him self all befor that during that traveling as well. Not to mention the fact he was hanging with criminals to know how they think. So bruce ( story wise with in the movie and comics) kinda screwed this thinking of not allowing kids or anyone to do any thing.

This can be done as well.

 

[TimDrake64x]

This Robin costume can work, that is if Nolan introduces Robin.

dude i really like this design

 

[Mike_D202]

Not necessarily. Nolan probably wont return after the third film. If Nolan leaves, I can guarantee you Bale, Oldman, Freeman, and Caine will be right behind him. If everyone jumps ship it may put WB in a position to re-think how they want to tackle future Batman movies, and when.

umm..I'm pretty sure Bale was quoted as saying that he would be doing Batman pretty much for the rest of his life, even if it was dinner theatre when he was older. And if he stays, I'm sure a few of the others will stay with him (depending if they sign a new contract after the 3rd one, they ARE all signed for 3 films FYI), at least Caine is more probable.

 

[Dark Victory]

Come on Robin has already ruined one mans career.

 

[Nepenthes]

no, Schumacher ruined Robins career

 

[Texas Zombie]

Simple. Make him 18, the same age we send kids to wars. Purists will complain but it's something that has to be done, for several reasons. Anyone who says 18 is too old to have a mentor or father figure needs to back away from their computer and look at real life. and remember this is the batman we're talking about, he's badarse no matter how old you are. Also 18 year olds today are like 15 years from ten years ago, still pretty much babies in an adult world. and you can make him a young and boyish 18

for instance would you believe THIS guy is 18? He's playing Tintin, Thomas Sangster. get someone like him for Robin.

that kid looks five.

 

[Nepenthes]

Hannah Montana wouldn't let him bone her

 

[Katsuro]

Simple. Make him 18, the same age we send kids to wars. Purists will complain but it's something that has to be done, for several reasons. Anyone who says 18 is too old to have a mentor or father figure needs to back away from their computer and look at real life. and remember this is the batman we're talking about, he's badarse no matter how old you are. Also 18 year olds today are like 15 years from ten years ago, still pretty much babies in an adult world. and you can make him a young and boyish 18

There's actually a better way. Make him 18 when he officially puts on the costume and starts fighting crime as Robin, but about 15 when he actually meets Bruce.

I mean, Bruce left Gotham and trained for 7 years before he was ready to come back and fight crime. Regardless of what age Robin ends up being, it's even more unrealistic to have him just jump into it. I say, end one movie with Batman taking in a 15 year old Dick Grayson, and deciding that he'll train this kid to fight with him. The next movie picks up a whole 3 years later, and the opening scene could be Dick's final test to become Robin.

This way, he was young enough to need adoption by Bruce, but by the time he gets out on the streets he's old enough to avoid any accusations of child endangerment.

 

[Texas Zombie]

If the next batman follows right after this batman i don't think he would even need robin fighting wise and emotionally.

Spoiler

rachel died and he prob wouldn't want to put anyone else in the line of fire. He wants to bear the burden alone.

 

[Nepenthes]

There's actually a better way. Make him 18 when he officially puts on the costume and starts fighting crime as Robin, but about 15 when he actually meets Bruce.

I mean, Bruce left Gotham and trained for 7 years before he was ready to come back and fight crime. Regardless of what age Robin ends up being, it's even more unrealistic to have him just jump into it. I say, end one movie with Batman taking in a 15 year old Dick Grayson, and deciding that he'll train this kid to fight with him. The next movie picks up a whole 3 years later, and the opening scene could be Dick's final test to become Robin.

This way, he was young enough to need adoption by Bruce, but by the time he gets out on the streets he's old enough to avoid any accusations of child endangerment.

I'm not too fussed on how long he's been living with Bruce, but you're right it can work that way and if most people prefer then great. In my mind however, a 17 or 18 year old Dick Grayson has already been training for FAR longer than Bruce Wayne ever has. Literally since he was a toddler, by a number of circus masters, in a variety of skills like knife throwing, weapons demonstration, acrobatics, escapes and stunt riding. So a year or so with Bruce should have him alright. I also think it would be much a more intense movie if he becomes Robin within a shorter timeframe after coming to the mansion. Huge timejumps (like three years of training) would create a different story than what I like to envision. but your right it still works and it's probably more logical.


For me the main attraction to an 18yr old Robin is the parallel with Batman as the government or military and Robin as the naive and eager recruit who's probably gonna end up traumatised, broken and exploited by the time he's 22. Look what happens to these kids who go to wars, is Batman being irresponsible, overzealous, selfish in drafting a boy to fight such a personal crusade? It confronts the issue in a way that's MUCH more direct and honest and than you could if Robin was 15, which would just be trivializing and groan-worthy, or it would be something that's just swept under the carpet or noted in a very shallow way. It's one of the most critical elements of Robin and it's also serious and continuing question in real life, so they should do it in a way that counts.

Also, a 15 year old just automatically makes it a 'childrens action film'. most adults don't really care about kids in movies at all. Robin has always represented the batman audience at hand, you age him appropriately to the audience. And nowadays with these films the audience is considerably more mature.

 

[Texas Zombie]

17 and up normally, but little kids like batman and want to see it and don't really understand what is happening.

 

[zenith16]

Lots o lafs knock it off . they( little kids) have seen all the DCAU cartoons and it's well known who the rest of the people that help batman are both in comic wise and cartoons and indoctrinated enough. Cause most likely their dad or mom or older siblings or cousins have shown them that stuff. any one that's say's what you just did, well most others would call what you just said stupid. Not you, but what just you said. I'm just making that clear. sheesh. I hate when guys say that when they know that certain heroes cause they are very known through out the world. and that why movies are made about them in the first place. And yet they try bring in that lame excuse. the only exception are those countrys that are just into religion only. besides that every one knows the deal. stop talking like that.


BTW those kids would just watch regardless cause it looks cool and find those character cool period. the latest animated series is proof enough.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I was talking about TDK the movie and its target age. Not batman in general.

 

[zenith16]

it's those people that know about bat man in general that are watching TDK. example this question I answered to a kid in this link.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/questio...8232617AAb27zi&show=7#profile-info-7Mgo89C5aa
LOL try again man. oh man. as I said they have relatives that get them into this and more. it's a very poor excuse.

 

[GhostPoet]

Most people agree that Robin shouldn't be in the films...see the polls? People are wise.
Robin is a horrible idea all around.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Must not have really watched it and has never read it.

I still seriously doubt nolan will add robin. As everytime he talks about the subject he has a severe hate for the character.

I believe robin isn't as important to the character as you say, except for one.
Jason Todd.
His death most likely still haunts him(even though he was brought back).
Tim is not as important as dick or jason although batman believes he shall become batman. Robin was made to give kids reading someone who they could relate to and want to be. In both his first appearance and in forever(tried to lighten thing up).