The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Majik1387]

Why not call him Richard instead of changing his name to Robert?

 

[Blaztro]

Yes, his real name is Richard. Although for your description, I thnk Jason Todd might fit in better, since Batman found him trying to steal the tires off the Batmobile.

 

[REDophile]

I've said this before, but the most they should do if anything with Robin is at the end of the third film, plant an easter egg clue. So Alfred shows Bruce a story in the newspaper about the Grayson tragedy.

Still, I seriously doubt Nolan would include Robin with his attitude. Bale may have been joking about his comments earlier, but he probably isn't crazy about the idea to play alongside Robin.

 

[Ethermatic]

Personally, I'd like Nolan's continuity to continue even after he stops directing these Batman films. I want them to stick to a fairly believable world, which he has done so well incorporating into the Batman stories. In this continued continuity, I do hope that Robin is introduced in a very believable way and at a believable age.

But, for now, I'd like them to concentrate on Bruce Wayne/Batman. He's barely been the Dark Knight for a year in the films, so I'd prefer the director(s), writers and producers to concentrate on him and developing his role within Gotham City and with other characters first.

 

[tekken]

you do realize that robin is a part of batman's development in his role within gotham city right?...just later i guess.

but from what i've read of batman, robin came into the picture relatively early in batman's crime fighting career.

the way i like to picture it is, first batman: year one, then long halloween, then dark victory. wouldn't it be perfect to have robin show up in the third film? the only thing is that people hate robin, but love nightwing and tim drake's robin.

it's almost like waiting for short hair to grow into long hair, and you know you have to live with the ugly middle-length hair until it gets long. batman before sidekicks is short hair, dick grayson's robin is the ugly middle length hair, and the long hair is nightwing and tim drake's robin. weird analogy but i think it fits.

i say, the heck with it. let's just get dick grayson as robin over with so we can get the good stuff later. i'm dying to see dick become nightwing, jason todd die, and tim drake become robin. dont you guys think solo batman is getting redundant? we need some robin/nightwing action here.

 

[Matt.S99]

Dick Grayson is fine. He just needs to be toned down a little. Make him a little more like Drakes Robin maybe.

 

[alexdunn]

I personally would hate to see an old Robin. Look at Batman Forever or Batman and Robin! Didn't work there. Stick to the source and make it less gay and unbelievable.

 

[bryanss3]

is it really that hard to adapt stuff from dark victory into the next movie they don't even have to have him be robin yet but they could have Bruce Wayne take in the young boy

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I personally would hate to see an old Robin. Look at Batman Forever or Batman and Robin! Didn't work there. Stick to the source and make it less gay and unbelievable.

For starters, Robin being older is definitely not the reason he didn't work.

Here are the top two reasons:

1.- Joel Schumacher

2.- Chris O'Donnell

Second, I think after the ending of The Dark Knight (where little Jimmy was held at gunpoint, and was punishment to Gordon for being "responsible") is enough of a reason not to bring in Robin as a child. If other capable adults want to get involved in this matter and help Batman, fine. Children, not so much. Child Endangerment is not something I could see Nolan's Batman adding to an already large list of crimes he's wanted for.

 

[tekken]

i don't see why they couldn't just do it BTAS style. adopt grayson at an early age, say 13, but don't see him as robin until college aged(somewhere around 18-20).

if they just made a movie version of robin's reckoning, it could be cool. the movie could take place like 5-7 years after the events of the dark knight, but have flashbacks that take place directly after dark knight...that's how i would go about doing robin. that way, there can be a whole scene in the beginning with batman/robin dynamic action, and have the story explained later in the movie, and go back and forth. and i know nolan loves the weird past, present, future funkiness in his movies(see batman begins and prestige).

that's my take anyways...

as for who would play robin? no idea. lol.

 

[Robin91939]

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If Robin were introduced in the next film- which I feel he should be- it should be Dick Grayson.

Thematically, Grayson would fit. The theme of this film is going to be redemption and that Batman is not alone in his fight for Gotham's salvation and that it is not solely his burden to bare.

It's also about second chances. Batman is looking for a second chance at hope for the people of Gotham after the lose of Harvey Dent. If Bruce encountered a young man who is lost much in the same way he was (orphaned, alone) he would also have a second chance to save that young boy who's parents died in the alley all those years ago.

Also- he will see the potential that this boy would have if not properly looked after. He would see that there is a need to channel and harness that rage. It would be a second chance to save someone who has lost everything- much in the way he couldn't save Harvey.

Tim Drake is a great character- but the origin of a father and step mother who live in the suburbs and have a genius boy who deduces Batman's identity may not work as well thematically, as a mirror image of Bruce and a shot at redemption on a personal level for the Caped Crusader.

I vote to have Dick Grayson in the next flick.

Black Mask and/or Cobblepot should be the heads of the mob with Boss Tony Zucco as the last game in town for the "traditional" criminals. He uses the circus to smuggle guns, and in a deal gone wrong- the fair grounds fall into the cross fires of the two or three mob's war. John and Mary Grayson are among the innocent lives lost. Batman is present trying to stop the war and is able to save the boy- but not his parents.

Compounding the danger- a top level FBI detective has been brought in to discover the true identity of the Batman, Edward Nashton. After Nashton arrives in Gotham, cops start turning up dead. With each murder, there is a clue pointing towards Batman as the culprit. But, upon closer examination of the clues- there are hints just for the Batman. Hints challenging him to discover who the real cop killer is- AND revealing that who ever is behind these crimes knows the truth about what happened to Harvey Dent that night at 250 52nd Street.


I would want only Dick Grayson to appear, with the end of the movie showing Bruce choosing to train him. No costume- but ending the trilogy in a way that shows that Bruce is no longer alone in his crusade.

-R

 

[Melkay]

Mmm, and that came from someone called "Robin91939". Unbiased, huh?

I don't want to see what the others 91938 would have said.

 

[itsthebatman]

Well, who wouldn't want to see their favourite characters on screen? It's not about bias or impartiality, it's about putting forward a good reason to include the character. His argument's not bad at all.

 

[Changeling]

Today, our English teacher was talking about writing stories. One of the things he talked about was how good it is to come "full circle". What he meant was, in a good story, the beginning is like the end and the end is like the beginning. So, since we started off with "Batman Begins", I say we "begin" a new character. He doesnt even have to be Robin until the end like The Long Halloween , but if the story came full circle and introduced a parallel to Bruce that Dick is, it could be quite good. Make him be around 14-16 yrs old when he's adopted/becomes Robin.

 

[Melkay]

Well, who wouldn't want to see their favourite characters on screen? It's not about bias or impartiality, it's about putting forward a good reason to include the character. His argument's not bad at all.

Not when most of his arguments have been countered before many times. Like this...

"If Bruce encountered a young man who is lost much in the same way he was (orphaned, alone) he would also have a second chance to save that young boy who's parents died in the alley all those years ago."

Really?? Would he? The path he chose for himself hasn't exactly led Bruce to a happy place, has it? Why would he want to expose a kid to that? When you have a second chance, do you do things in a very similar way again? No. He did not become Batman to save himself. He became Batman to help Gotham in a way that his father could not, but he doesn't consider himself or his life desirable or redeeming. He knows the ugly part of his work, the bad consequences adn the questionable methods.
If Batman wanted this kid to be saved, he would try to let him become something similar to Harvey, or his own father. A true hero.

"he will see the potential that this boy would have if not properly looked after. He would see that there is a need to channel and harness that rage. It would be a second chance to save someone who has lost everything- much in the way he couldn't save Harvey."

Wait... does this mean that if Bruce could have saved Dent's life and sanity, he would have trained him into becoming his vigilante side-kick? What a way to save people! Yeah, great way to save an underage, give him an inferior training and have him fight against bigger, stronger and more dangerous criminals, without getting killed or killing others...
The way to harness rage it's never to enable him to get into dangerous, violent situations. If you can teach this kid to train his anger and thirst for vengeance with training, then you can also give him the necessary therapy without making him a junior vigilante. If you can keep dangerous transgressors locked, you can keep a minor in control. And being a kid it's never a reason for not being put in control, especially to one as pragmatic as Batman. It's hard, but it's better than compromising the kids life (as well a number of other things) in a life vigilantism.

Do you want a Robin that works? Have Bruce meet him when he's about 12-13 and train him (with a bunch of other teachers) for no less than 5 years (until he's an adult) before he goes into any kind of fighting. That would be, at least, somewhat realistic.

 

[Melkay]

Today, our English teacher was talking about writing stories. One of the things he talked about was how good it is to come "full circle". What he meant was, in a good story, the beginning is like the end and the end is like the beginning. So, since we started off with "Batman Begins", I say we "begin" a new character.

That doesn't make sense, what your teacher was saying had nothing to do with that. In every installment, new characters will always be "beginning". If you want to treat it that way, you can always find elements of circularity, from unfortunate ideas like "bringing Ra's/the League of Shadows back" to much better ideas like "Having Bruce reach a balance between a partially redeemed Batman and the man his father was."

Sorry, IMO your argument is too thin and far fetched.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Full circle ay? So Bruce could become the teacher, the mentor just like Ra's was to him? I could see something like that working.

 

[Spider-Bat]

I like ROBIN, but I don't know if I would want him in the new movies.

He could work, I'd say make his costume all black except for the R and belt.

And make sure he's as serious as Batman, just a touch lighter. And I know if Nolan put him in he'd do it right, and these movies are so great ofcourse he'd be a cool character.

But I still go back to the reason Robin was created, just a stupid thing they came up with so kids in the 40's could pretend they were Batman's sidekick. Heck when I was growing up not once did I wanna' be Robin, I always pictured myself as BATMAN.

Robin has come a long way through the years but still I'd rather have Batman stay a dark loner.

 

[Robin91939]

(oh, and i hate this edward nashton, fbi agent nonsense. his name is edward nygma, and he is a criminal, albeit a rather lame on.)

His name is Edward Nasthon. His alias is Edward Nygma. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Edward_Nashton_(New_Earth)

He's also been a private investigator in the comics lately, which is very similar to the take that many people are seeing for him in Batman 3. He is also a very NOT lame villain .

-R

 

[Ace of Knaves]

(oh, and i hate this edward nashton, fbi agent nonsense. his name is edward nygma, and he is a criminal, albeit a rather lame on.)

Has it occured to you that he could still be a criminal even if he is a fed?

It's better than the idea to make him a John Doe from Se7en or Jigsaw rip off.

 

[Robin91939]

Has it occured to you that he could still be a criminal even if he is a fed?

It's better than the idea to make him a John Doe from Se7en or Jigsaw rip off.

I think he should still have elements of John Kramer and John Doe. Not in personality and motives- but in the fact that he is so many steps ahead of his perusers and the people involved in his "game". I want him to have his work build and combine into something greater that no one sees coming until it is too late. So in that sense- they'd be similar.

-R

 

[ih8nyy]

He said "not on my watch." Therefore, Robin will never be there, at least with Nolan directing. And I don't think executives are too excited about Robin either.

El Payaso, I just had to say your avvy is .

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I like ROBIN, but I don't know if I would want him in the new movies.
He could work, I'd say make his costume all black except for the R and belt.
And make sure he's as serious as Batman, just a touch lighter. And I know if Nolan put him in he'd do it right, and these movies are so great ofcourse he'd be a cool character.
But I still go back to the reason Robin was created, just a stupid thing they came up with so kids in the 40's could pretend they were Batman's sidekick. Heck when I was growing up not once did I wanna' be Robin, I always pictured myself as BATMAN.
Robin has come a long way through the years but still I'd rather have Batman stay a dark loner.

So pretty much get rid of everything that makes Robin unique and a great character? Seriously, dark does not equal better, the entire point of Robin is that he brings Batman back form the brink and helps him to to have hope again. I don't want two dark brooding allies, that's just be boring.

Also, I've never got why everyone hates Robin considering he's the superhero you'd actually be. Yes I get it you wanted to be Batman as a kid but no one truly wants Batman's life nor his modus operandi. He has no time for fun, while really, if I was a superhero I'd definitely taunt my enemies or have a life outside of "the war". He has a good sense of humour, his more lightheartedness serves a good point, so why destroy that for making him a 16-20 year old grim vigilante that everyone wants?

You either do Robin or you don't, no trying to meet in the middle by changing the core of these characters.

 

[Majik1387]

His name is Edward Nasthon. His alias is Edward Nygma. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Edward_Nashton_(New_Earth)
-R

No offense but I don't see how that site is reliable. It's a wiki site which I'm sure means anyone can modify it. And also, I know I may not be up to date with Riddler's appearance, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have blue eyes and black hair.
And also

"Many adaptations of the Batman mythos have given the Riddler the real name Edward Nigma (or Nygma) or E. Nigma. Occasionally his full name has been given as Edward E. Nigma. Some have depicted this as a false name and his real name as Edward Nashton."

That doesn't really sound like concrete proof to me.

 

[Changeling]

That doesn't make sense, what your teacher was saying had nothing to do with that. In every installment, new characters will always be "beginning". If you want to treat it that way, you can always find elements of circularity, from unfortunate ideas like "bringing Ra's/the League of Shadows back" to much better ideas like "Having Bruce reach a balance between a partially redeemed Batman and the man his father was."

Sorry, IMO your argument is too thin and far fetched.

Of course it does ...Batman becomes the role of R'as and Robin becomes the way Bruce was in Begins. His background parallels that of Bruce's so the cycle begins again.