The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Visceral]

....and it would be pretty sweet to see a scene between bruce and young dick with that Zimmer score. The one they played a lot in BB and the scene with Gordon and his kid in TDK.

"Why do we fall Dick..."

I agree to an extent that the dynamic between him and robin should be master/apprentice like Ducard/Bruce was.

In Dark Victory Bruce struggles to find a connection to humanity in Catwoman but she proves untrustworthy. So he finds it in an apprentice.

I think that in older warrior traditions this was a practice upheld because when warriors became to immersed in what they were fighting they forgot what they were saving.

 

[Rain]

The only way I can see Robin taken seriously in these movies is if it's Jason Todd and this happens:

So please. No Robin

 

[Fresh Prince]

They tried to introduce the character in the story. In the original Sam Hamm draft, there was a sequence were Bruce chases after the Joker on horseback. The chase winds up going through the tent during a circus act with the Graysons. Joker causes them to fall and die. There's a section in the special features B89 dvd that storyboards this sequence.

For BR, Sam Hamm tried to work him in again in his "penguin and catwoman hunt for lost treasure under Wayne Manor" story. After this script was scraped by Burton, Daniel Waters introduced Robin as a hip hop urban gangbanger who saves a knocked out Batman during a fight sequence . They cast Marlon Wayans. At the last minute the storyline was dropped.

Burton said that ultimately they couldn't get it to work with the dark take they had on Batman. Yes, Burton wasn't a comic buff. But for anyone who doubts that he ever understood the psychology of Batman, please see the sig.

How would Robin be with Batman in Batman's first year crime fighting?

Also lol a hip hop gangbanger?? Jeez I do not mind MArlon Wayans since he not a bad actor but thats a terrible way for Robin....And why he gotta be hip hop?

Anyways both ideas suck....Maybe if in B89 if Batman was in his second/third year crime fighting then yeah introduce Robin but not his first year....And it would of soudned better if Joker andh is goons pulled a Two-Face from BF and kill Dick's parents that way.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes, Burton wasn't a comic buff. But for anyone who doubts that he ever understood the psychology of Batman, please see the sig.

Any character who operates on the outside of society and is deemed a freak and an outcast then has the freedom to do what they want - Tim Burton

But Batman doesnt do whatever he wants. The real batman doesnt kill (unlike Burton's) and this is why GPD and the people of Gotham accept him and dont hunt him down.

They tried to introduce the character in the story. In the original Sam Hamm draft, there was a sequence were Bruce chases after the Joker on horseback. The chase winds up going through the tent during a circus act with the Graysons. Joker causes them to fall and die. There's a section in the special features B89 dvd that storyboards this sequence.

For BR, Sam Hamm tried to work him in again in his "penguin and catwoman hunt for lost treasure under Wayne Manor" story. After this script was scraped by Burton, Daniel Waters introduced Robin as a hip hop urban gangbanger who saves a knocked out Batman during a fight sequence . They cast Marlon Wayans. At the last minute the storyline was dropped.

Burton said that ultimately they couldn't get it to work with the dark take they had on Batman. Yes, Burton wasn't a comic buff. But for anyone who doubts that he ever understood the psychology of Batman, please see the sig.

Its ironic how Schumacher introduced Robin in a far better way than Burton's two scripts.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Burton hates Robin. He has a view that shouldnt be considered official canon anymore.t:

 

[Fresh Prince]

Burton's Batman when he killed the clown guy was a funny scene.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Burton's Batman when he killed the clown guy was a funny scene.

When he rescued Selina? Did the clown die or just knocked out?

 

[Infinity9999x]

But Batman doesnt do whatever he wants. The real batman doesnt kill (unlike Burton's) and this is why GPD and the people of

Batman did kill, and that era of comics is the one Burton based his movies off of most heavily.

 

[Fresh Prince]

When he rescued Selina? Did the clown die or just knocked out?

No the other scene when he placed the bomb on the clown.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Batman did kill, and that era of comics is the one Burton based his movies off of most heavily.

That was in his very early years, not to mention that it is now non canon. And since Burton's batman didnt have a gun, i think that he probably read the current comics but missed the part where he doesnt kill.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That was in his very early years, not to mention that it is now non canon. And since Burton's batman didnt have a gun, i think that he probably read the current comics but missed the part where he doesnt kill.

It's cannon, it's just considered Earth-2 Batman now. And that Batman didn't just kill with guns, he knocked a man into a vat of acid, and hung a giant from his Batplane.

Also, it's fairly easy to see that Burton took lots of influence from the early years of the comics, hence the 1940's inspired attire for the actors and the film-noir look to Gotham.

 

[namtaB]

But Batman doesnt do whatever he wants. The real batman doesnt kill (unlike Burton's) and this is why GPD and the people of Gotham accept him and dont hunt him down.

I think you're confusing two different concepts. Batman has a moral code, so he won't kill. That's completely distinct from the point Burton was making.

When he says he has the freedom to do what he wants, he's not talking about his personal moral convictions but rather his place in society and the justice system. Batman doesn't have to operate within social norms or abide by judicial/criminal procedure codes. For example, you think Batman gives a flying fug about Miranda rights during a custodial interrogation? Cops sure as hell do, otherwise their case can fall apart on a legal technicality. In this sense, Batman has the freedom to pursue his interpretation of justice, to do whatever he wants relative to his own personal morals.

Its ironic how Schumacher introduced Robin in a far better way than Burton's two scripts.

Yet, he was still an akward addition to the story. To put it bluntly, I think the introduction of Robin in the comics was a big mistake and I think DC should just come out and say "Look, we made a mistake with the Robin character so from now on its as if he never existed."

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yet, he was still an akward addition to the story. To put it bluntly, I think the introduction of Robin in the comics was a big mistake and I think DC should just come out and say "Look, we made a mistake with the Robin character so from now on its as if he never existed."

That's just like...your opinion... Ironman.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It's cannon, it's just considered Earth-2 Batman now. And that Batman didn't just kill with guns, he knocked a man into a vat of acid, and hung a giant from his Batplane.

Also, it's fairly easy to see that Burton took lots of influence from the early years of the comics, hence the 1940's inspired attire for the actors and the film-noir look to Gotham.

That Batman was sick.

 

[namtaB]

Its Bruce Wayne and his faithful ward Dick Grayson!

 

[Jahu-Momus]

How can you's guys dislike Robin to such an extent? For Christ sakes, its DICK MUTHA F**KIN GRAYSON!!!!! He has been called the leader of the DC Universe, and you don't want to give him respect because writers had him start fighting crime at twelve? Look at all the things each Robin has done, and they make for some of the greatest emotional tales in comics.

 

[Alex Logan]

How can you's guys dislike Robin to such an extent? For Christ sakes, its DICK MUTHA F**KIN GRAYSON!!!!! He has been called the leader of the DC Universe, and you don't want to give him respect because writers had him start fighting crime at twelve? Look at all the things each Robin has done, and they make for some of the greatest emotional tales in comics.

I grew up reading about Dick Grayson's life. The Dick I remember was ALWAYS getting his ass handed to him. The Joker, Two Face, even Jean Paul Valley. I know he's "changed" now, but he's still not Batman and he never will be. The only reson Dick is able to put the cowl on now is because of the symbol that Bruce created. You know how criminals in Gotham run when they see Batman? Bruce did that, Dick has never had the effect.

The other thing you have to remember is that we are talking about the films and not the comics.

Oh, and the only reason he's been called the leader of the DC Universe is because Batman is a loner and Superman's too busy trying to fix New Krypton.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Lol Dick still gets his ass kicked....Didn't he get his ass kick again by Two-Face now that he is Batman?...And the criminals do not respect him or fear him plus Damian not respecting him neither...Then him crying and *****ing and Alfred telling him to grow balls....Dick can be made a good character on film and his stuff in the comics at times are good still but he always will be a sidekick....Its cool not everyone can be a leader.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I like how the new dick persona is really showboaty. He smiles to cameras, does flips and all sorts of other stuff.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I grew up reading about Dick Grayson's life. The Dick I remember was ALWAYS getting his ass handed to him. The Joker, Two Face, even Jean Paul Valley.

Because TwoFace and the Joker never beat Bruce? As for Jean Paul, Dick was a teenager back then. He is easily one of the best fighters in the DC universe right now. Bellow Batman and Cassandra of course.

I know he's "changed" now, but he's still not Batman and he never will be.

Boy do i have bad news for you....

The only reson Dick is able to put the cowl on now is because of the symbol that Bruce created. You know how criminals in Gotham run when they see Batman? Bruce did that, Dick has never had the effect.

Oh so you know he is batman now... OK.
I havent read the current stuff, i am waiting for some issues to pile up so i can read them all at once. I lose the details when i have to wait for a month to get the continuation/conclusion of a story.

Oh, and the only reason he's been called the leader of the DC Universe is because Batman is a loner and Superman's too busy trying to fix New Krypton.

He's been called what? Care to explain?

Lol Dick still gets his ass kicked....Didn't he get his ass kick again by Two-Face now that he is Batman?...And the criminals do not respect him or fear him plus Damian not respecting him neither...Then him crying and *****ing and Alfred telling him to grow balls....Dick can be made a good character on film and his stuff in the comics at times are good still but he always will be a sidekick....Its cool not everyone can be a leader.

You are not getting the point. Morrison is a brilliant writer but you have to accept change to appreciate him. Had Dick come, seen and conquered it would have been like Bruce never left.
The point was to give Bruce a sabbatical and change things completely so that the franchise is freshened up. Why do you think Tim isnt Robin now, but Damian is? Because they wanted a new Robin as well. Morrison clarified that he wanted a new Batman-Robin dynamic. This time Robin is the brooding/dark/obsessive one and Batman is the more balanced and happy person. And dont kid yourself, Damian respects nobody. He only respects Bruce because of Talia's admiration for him and because he is his father.

Then, Dick has beaten many supervillains in his career. But in the end, its all down to what the writer wants to do with the character. Clearly Dick is now trying to fill Bruce's shoes and grow some confidence in his new role. Morrison said that he wanted to surprise us with a different person taking Bruce's place, but he said that Dick is the chosen one to take over and he couldnt deny him the mantle. He is the firstborn son, he was there from the start and he always wanted to wear the cowl. Its his destiny as Morrison puts it. So maybe it will take a while, but Dick will get there. Would it have been interesting if he kicked ass from the start?

Then, look at the JLA. They went so far as to change most of the members of the JLA. I was anxious to see Dick stand between Superman and WW but someone showed me some old issues where Nightwing steps in Batman's place at some point that he was busy. And he was good at it. So now, they came up with various reasons to keep Superman, WW and most of the others away so that the readers can read about a new JL.

In all honesty, nobody could replace Bruce. Nobody has the charisma or the love of the readers/viewers. And while Dick isnt his equal, he is the most balanced and closer to normal person in the bat-family. And that's his charm. Its only natural he's feeling uncertain filling his mentor's, his father's shoes. In the end, maybe he wont be just as good a batman, but he will be just as interesting a character but in a different way. And since DC has realised that they can change GLs and Flashes but they cant replace Bruce and Clark, with this temporary absence of Bruce, you get a glimpse of how things would be if he ever stopped. Because it will never happen. Even in the year 3000, when 20 Flashes will have succeeded Wally, Bruce will still be about 40, flying on rooftops and kicking ass.

Dont worry, Batman and the old JL will be back soon. In the meantime learn to appreciate change.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Btw, if you really want to get a good laugh, go to BatmanOnFilm and read some reviews of the latest Batman comics by Jett. He is clearly ******** over Bruce's absence! Its hilarious!
Ever since the rumors about B:RIP and killing off Bruce Wayne emerged, he clearly lost his sleep, and wrote tons of articles in his site. In the end he said "they listened to me and didnt kill him".

And now with Dick under the cowl and the new spin on the franchise he is all:
"What? A batman comic where Bruce isnt a loner, on a gargoyle, in the dark, in the rain, crying maparentsaredeeeeeaaaaad? OH HELL NAW!!! Dini is teh greatest writer evar and this Morrison guy is crazy!!!!"
Batman has been a loner, on a gargoyle, in a thunderstorm for 60 years now. That's why they gave him a break in the 90ies, thats why they re doing it now, thats why he is changing Robins all the time, etc...
The same with Superman and introducing a new Krypton out of ****ing nowhere. Its rage inducing but at least it gives a new spin to things. He'll be back to fighting Luthor in a year anyway.
Dini is a good writer but he is pretty flat and brings nothing new. Morrison has brought an amazing energy to the franchise.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I wouldnt mind Dick to be included,but not Robin.

 

[Kurosawa]

Well, Nolan doesn't like Robin, so I'd rather he not use him at all. If a Titans movie ever gets made, then Robin can be the main character of it and get the respect he deserves.

 

[Two-Face]

I don't want Robin any near the Nolan's Batman series.

 

[Marx]

I don't want Robin any near the Nolan's Batman series.

Agreed.