The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Mindreaper21]

I'll only accept Robin if he's done this way. An arrogant college boy in training to work for the GPD who decides that since Batman is now a fugitive, he can step up and be a hero. He has no uniform, just jeans, a custom open hooded jacket and a t-shirt with an "R" logo on it. He tries to stop Rupert Thorne's organization by working on the inside, but gets into trouble and gets killed half way through the movie. I'll accept him fighting along side Batman (who comes to Robin's aid after he see's Robin is ignorantly trying to fight Thorne's henchmen alone) then get's shot in the back by Thorne. Batman check's on Robin to see what he can do to save him, but his last words are "I tried to be a hero..." then he dies.

 

[Saint]

Again, if you're going to remove everything that makes the character who he is, then including a completely different character and calling him Dick Grayson is a worthless exercise in irrelevancy.

The purpose behind including any character from the comics is to introduce elements that would otherwise be absent; relationships, themes, and concepts unique to that character. If you then decide to strip away every single unique relationship, concept, and theme, that's just backwards and absurd. That leaves you with no reason to include the character at all. I wish I could say it's only fans who think of this stuff, but the sad truth is that the filmmakers do it, too (see Wolverine).

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm with Saint on this.

 

[terry78]

You guys are the reason they change characters so dramaticaly from comic to live action.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Which guys do you refer to and why exactly do they change characters from comic to live action?

 

[regwec]

He's referring to you, and pointing out that writers and directors compromise their own creative integrity just to annoy you.

 

[terry78]

Which guys do you refer to and why exactly do they change characters from comic to live action?

The guys on the opposite side of your debate.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Sure, but many of the other superheroes' kid sidekicks (with the obvious exception of Green Arrow) are, well... superpowered. It's not the same deal with Robin. Of course, he can be 'super-trained', but you need time to get there and accomplishing that in one single film that deals with some other huge isses is more than tricky.

So he'll get in over his head and make some mistakes. So does Batman. So does Spider-Man & SUperman.

 

[Mr. Earle]

He's referring to you, and pointing out that writers and directors compromise their own creative integrity just to annoy you.

Was that supposed to be funny? I dont get it.

So he'll get in over his head and make some mistakes. So does Batman. So does Spider-Man & SUperman.

I think getting in over his head is one of the trademarks of Robin.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Was that supposed to be funny? I dont get it.
I think getting in over his head is one of the trademarks of Robin.

That was kind of my point. He'll get in over his head, make mistakes, and hopefully with Batman's help. learn from them.
Robin doesn't HAVE to be the doom of the series. And if he's handled right, he won't be.

 

[regwec]

Was that supposed to be funny? I dont get it.

Really? Es tut mir leid.

 

[Mr. Earle]

And you had to write "i'm sorry" in German because?
No wonder you're friends with Saint. You both reek of pretentiousness.

 

[syko23]

If you're going to strip out every element that makes Dick Grayson interesting and relevant to the Batman mythos, why bother?

Because Robin wouldn't work in the Nolanverse, but, I think he needs someone to watch his back and help out. If the next Batman movie is as good as the last and the villains are as bad or worse, he will need it. I say bad and worse in a good way!!

There is not one comic character the can be translated to film without change. Spider-Man was, Wolverine was, Batman was, Hulk was! They are all updated and changed to be "more real" and get rid of the yellow spandex. Whether it is a costume, something organic instead of man made, or a change to their story or origin.

My point is this is the only way I can see it work. And I would like to see Batman use some help. I also think there should be an Oracle character to, but, hey, that would work either, right. Fox and Alfred both filled that void in the last film, but, he should have a full time dedicated hacker, computer geek. I mean how will you have Oracle when she is like 10 in Dark Knight. Change!

Jamie

 

[Drz]

If you must have "your" version of Robin why not use Batman-Jones instead?

 

[COMPO]

All the elements are there for a "Robin" type character. Just not Robin! Too campy for Nolan's movie-verse. But, Nightwing, could work. Hear me out!

Robin has been in some pretty dark stories and the story has still remained dark even if robin who is supposedly 'campy' is in the story i.e. Face the Face.

Joker gave Batman a run for his money in The Dark Knight. Pushed him to his limits. Almost making him break his "one rule". He doens't have public support now and cops want to arrest/ kill him.

Say Two-Face is still alive and Riddler is as crazy as Joker was, or worse. Maybe Riddler is someone who puts Joker on a pedestal and worships him. He wants to be like him. But, he also wants to one up him. He is an agent of chaos.

I would see Riddler being a more mental challenge for Batman and I can't see him being worse than the Joker. Black Mask or Two Face I can see but not riddler.

Now, you already have the copycat Batmen running around. One of them catches Batman's eye. Someone who has talent, is a good fighter, a good detective. But, he doesn't have the money and resources Batman does.

Batman doesn't want to go into this war with Riddler and Two-Face alone. He wants someone to watch his back and make sure he doesn't break his "one rule". Someone to keep him from going over the edge.

why wouldn't Batman want to go on his own? He went after the joker on his own. The thing with Robin is that he's often the accidental sidekick or forces himself on Batman at times. I.e. Tim Drake's first appearance, TDKR, Dick Grayson in The Batman and Batman Forever.

Enter Dick Grayson, Nightwing! Batman tells him if he want in, he will help him, but, when Two-Face and Riddler are in Arkham, they go they're separate ways. One time deal! They never show each other who they really are. Nightwing doesn't ever see the Batcave. Bruce never tries to find out who Nightwing is, we all know he could but, call it professional courtesy, he doesn't. No Dick and Bruce, only Batman and Nightwing. Batman gives him an old Batsuit, one where the head doesn't turn. Dick gives it his own style. Ripping off the cape and cowl, uses the Lone Ranger mask.

And here..we..go!

What do you think? I could see this working in one of Nolan's movies.

Jamie

It's a good idea, but its not Robin or Nightwing, its just the name. sorry.

Was that supposed to be funny? I dont get it.
I think getting in over his head is one of the trademarks of Robin.

I agree, when Robin is able enough to not need Batman's help is when robin leaves. That's another point of Robin is that he's an apprentice of Batman as well as a partner. Once Dick was able to rely on himself and less on Batman he left or rather Bruce forced him to retire (which I always felt was Bruce's way of making Dick move forward in his own way, knowing he'd learn enough from him to be his own person).

Because Robin wouldn't work in the Nolanverse, but, I think he needs someone to watch his back and help out. If the next Batman movie is as good as the last and the villains are as bad or worse, he will need it. I say bad and worse in a good way!!

There is not one comic character the can be translated to film without change. Spider-Man was, Wolverine was, Batman was, Hulk was! They are all updated and changed to be "more real" and get rid of the yellow spandex. Whether it is a costume, something organic instead of man made, or a change to their story or origin.

My point is this is the only way I can see it work. And I would like to see Batman use some help. I also think there should be an Oracle character to, but, hey, that would work either, right. Fox and Alfred both filled that void in the last film, but, he should have a full time dedicated hacker, computer geek. I mean how will you have Oracle when she is like 10 in Dark Knight. Change!

Jamie

2bh I would like Riddler to be a sort of Anti-Oracle, or an early Oracle but evil. He's a hacker like Oracle and uses all of his computer systems to control his crimes and riddlers being a shadowy villain.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Bruce didnt force him to retire, Dick left him. And it wasnt a case of "i'm acting like an *****ebag so that i'll make you leave me", because he missed Dick so much that he took in Jason and made him Robin when he later admits that Jason wasnt ready for it.

 

[COMPO]

i heard Pre-Crisis Dick left on his own accord, but post-crisis Bruce told dick he couldn't be robin anymore, which one is cannon?

 

[Saint]

And you had to write "i'm sorry" in German because?
No wonder you're friends with Saint. You both reek of pretentiousness.

I love you too, Earle--and don't worry; keep trying, and with enough hard work, one day you might be almost as awesome as me.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I love you too, Earle--and don't worry; keep trying, and with enough hard work, one day you might be almost as awesome as me.

In your signature and details you claim to be the best man there is and now comes this post. Pretentious AND arrogant? Keep it up!

 

[Bruce Malone]

Aren't most of the elements of robin's necessity as a character already in both Alfred and Lucious to an extent?

They're the guys he goes to when he has a second guess or when he's going to far one of them will pull him back. Aside from actually fighting with him their pretty close to alot of what robin gives to batman...maybe aside from the pseudo parent relationship thing tho.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Unless Fox or Alfred are his adoptive sons i dont see how that's true.

 

[Saint]

In your signature and details you claim to be the best man there is and now comes this post.

Actually, I claim to be the only man. Important difference: starts with "O".

Pretentious AND arrogant? Keep it up!

What can I say? You just love talking about me so much; it's gone to my head. I'm glad to see my number one fan is keeping up the good work. Spread my Word, Earle.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Actually, I claim to be the only man. Important difference: more letters.

Damn, where did i put that Y chromosome....

 

[Bruce Malone]

Unless Fox or Alfred are his adoptive sons i dont see how that's true.

I'm sure you noticed my last point..